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Super Ghel
21-12-2011, 06:55 PM
If Terry gets off with a lesser punishment, this farcical little exercise only goes to prove one thing. The FA is undeniably the biggest racist here! :lol:

Rors
21-12-2011, 07:19 PM
You'd hope.

Oh God, rumours that the team will all wear Suarez shirts before the game. Please no. :ilt:

..and those rumours were true. :banghead: 'Suarez 7' on the back, and on the front..er..Suarez's face.In silhouette :doh:

Kaiser
21-12-2011, 07:27 PM
"He will not walk alone" is just vomit-inducing. They've have utterly destroyed whatever positive sentiment those words once had by constantly using it at the end of Every. Single. Statement.

Boss
21-12-2011, 09:34 PM
Suarez :bow: :bow: :bow:

Innocent tbh.

Hope Terry walks, need his shambolic defending to help them drop points.

McNamara That Ghost...
21-12-2011, 10:19 PM
http://i.imgur.com/YC97g.jpg

GP
21-12-2011, 10:20 PM
:haha:

awesome

Coney
21-12-2011, 11:25 PM
All the black players in the Liverpool first XI are right behind him.

... because otherwise the white ones would hang them from the burning cross bar.

Marc Overmars
21-12-2011, 11:26 PM
So they did wear those t-shirts in support then. :lol:

Ollie the Optimist
22-12-2011, 12:01 AM
So they did wear those t-shirts in support then. :lol:

yeah :lol: even suarez was wearing one :lol:

pathetic

Syn
22-12-2011, 12:02 AM
Boris has only ever got one thing right in his life. And it ain't his haircut.

Coney
22-12-2011, 12:04 AM
yeah :lol: even suarez was wearing one :lol:

pathetic

If he had a sense of humour, he should have worn one with 'Dago' on the back.

McNamara That Ghost...
22-12-2011, 12:19 AM
Most of the posters on RAWK have 'Suarez is not a racist!' in their user title or signature. :doh:

V-Pig
22-12-2011, 07:11 AM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/7388855/Player-of-2011

Fucking hell... Steven Gerrard winning the poll for best player of the last TWENTY years!

Suarez winning the poll for best player of the 2011 calendar year!

Do scousers have nothing better to do than sit on SkySports trying to influence the outcome of polls?

Coney
22-12-2011, 09:17 AM
No.

Master Splinter
22-12-2011, 02:25 PM
They forgot to vote for the coloured guy on X-Factor tbf.

Young Guns 11
22-12-2011, 02:28 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/7388855/Player-of-2011

Fucking hell... Steven Gerrard winning the poll for best player of the last TWENTY years!

Suarez winning the poll for best player of the 2011 calendar year!

Do scousers have nothing better to do than sit on SkySports trying to influence the outcome of polls?

Suarez, the best player of 2011? :haha:

Coney
22-12-2011, 02:39 PM
They forgot to vote for the coloured guy on X-Factor tbf.

I didn't realise Evra had been on x-factor.

Rors
22-12-2011, 09:25 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16309990

Very disappointing comments from Barnes here - he's trying far too hard to double-back and twist his own arm. From somebody who once said "Just because someone says they aren't racist doesn't mean they aren't", this is flimsy stuff. And this in particular is nonsense on many a level:


"Twenty years ago in England, the same people in England now condemning him were ignorant as to what racism is. Why don't they condemn themselves?"

Rors
22-12-2011, 09:27 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/7388855/Player-of-2011

Fucking hell... Steven Gerrard winning the poll for best player of the last TWENTY years!

Suarez winning the poll for best player of the 2011 calendar year!

Do scousers have nothing better to do than sit on SkySports trying to influence the outcome of polls?

..it goes on.

@Kopsource
Kopsource
Not long left to vote for Luis Suarez as Sky Sports Player of 2011. Let's give him a good way to end the year...... fb.me/1imViQy7L

Dennis Bendtner
22-12-2011, 10:09 PM
The RAWK community has been on that for a while. Deleting cookies and re-voting and what not. Solid work for a pointless cause.

Kano
22-12-2011, 10:49 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16309990

Very disappointing comments from Barnes here - he's trying far too hard to double-back and twist his own arm. From somebody who once said "Just because someone says they aren't racist doesn't mean they aren't", this is flimsy stuff. And this in particular is nonsense on many a level:

piss poor really. i don't recall forlan calling out opponents when he was here.

V-Pig
23-12-2011, 06:06 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16309990

Very disappointing comments from Barnes here - he's trying far too hard to double-back and twist his own arm. From somebody who once said "Just because someone says they aren't racist doesn't mean they aren't", this is flimsy stuff. And this in particular is nonsense on many a level:

Wow. Just wow. What a fucking dumbass.

Master Splinter
23-12-2011, 08:17 AM
Liverpool fans are officially the most deranged:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=284297.0

and

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/rawk-goes-into-meltdown-2011-2012-a-333736/index69.html (from around page 69)

:haha:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=198423.0;attach=22 1171;image

:haha:

http://i.imgur.com/BYiOB.jpg

:haha:

McNamara That Ghost...
23-12-2011, 08:58 AM
Got screwed over, what can you do.

Our day will come again

:haha:

Master Splinter
23-12-2011, 09:10 AM
I didn't know where to start with the quotes.

I'd have been here until Gibbs' return from injury.

McNamara That Ghost...
23-12-2011, 09:19 AM
True, I am going to Plymouth so I should probably stop reading it.

Coney
23-12-2011, 09:21 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16309990

Very disappointing comments from Barnes here - he's trying far too hard to double-back and twist his own arm. From somebody who once said "Just because someone says they aren't racist doesn't mean they aren't", this is flimsy stuff. And this in particular is nonsense on many a level:

I don't agree. I think Barnes' stuff is valid. I'm not Uruguayan so I have to take people's word for it - and I see no evidence to think otherwise - that Suarez has used a term 'nigreto' that is NOT the equivalent in England of calling someone a nigger. Now he knows that people are likely to take it the wrong way, if he uses the term again, then he will have no excuse. When I went to Germany, I sometimes used expressions or words that I did not know were considered rude or wrong in Germany. Once I knew, I stopped using them, but I would not expect to be condemned for my ignorance of German culture at the beginning.

John Barnes played football when black people were subject to continous high levels of abuse on the pitch that we don't see now. I think if anyone is in a position to comment, he is. When If John Terry is found guilty of having used racist language, something as an Englishman he would know full well was wrong, I'd be interested to see what Barnes says about that.

GP
23-12-2011, 09:21 AM
Holy shit, they are complaining to Ofcom over a meaningless online poll...

Sweet baby jesus... :doh:

Coney
23-12-2011, 09:28 AM
Holy shit, they are complaining to Ofcom over a meaningless online poll...

Sweet baby jesus... :doh:

I know - people are even spending time discussng it on football message boards. :rolleyes:

Letters
23-12-2011, 10:46 AM
Holy shit, they are complaining to Ofcom over a meaningless online poll...

Sweet baby jesus... :doh:

Man, that whole thing is embarrassing. They try to rig an online poll (which is meaningless anyway) and then cry when other people rig it or they don't get their way.

Pa.

Thetic.


Also, should definitely have been RvP, I'm writing to my MP about this :fury:

GP
23-12-2011, 10:48 AM
They need to get over their victim complex, tbh.

Marc Overmars
23-12-2011, 10:58 AM
They need to get over their victim complex, tbh.

Pretty much.

Classless club.

Joker
23-12-2011, 11:12 AM
That RAWK forum is full of some really sad people.

Xhaka Can’t
23-12-2011, 11:26 AM
That RAWK forum is full of some really sad people.

They're just a bunch of jokers.

Coney
23-12-2011, 11:54 AM
They're just a bunch of jokers.

:lol: I see what you did there.

Shaqiri Is Boss
23-12-2011, 02:02 PM
RAWK should undoubtedly be shut down.

For their own sanity, if anything.

Master Splinter
23-12-2011, 04:41 PM
Disgusting how RAWKists are treated on here.

Xhaka Can’t
23-12-2011, 08:27 PM
RAWK should undoubtedly be shut down.

For their own sanity, if anything.

No way!

Best to keep them all in one place.

Boss
23-12-2011, 09:48 PM
I don't agree. I think Barnes' stuff is valid. I'm not Uruguayan so I have to take people's word for it - and I see no evidence to think otherwise - that Suarez has used a term 'nigreto' that is NOT the equivalent in England of calling someone a nigger. Now he knows that people are likely to take it the wrong way, if he uses the term again, then he will have no excuse. When I went to Germany, I sometimes used expressions or words that I did not know were considered rude or wrong in Germany. Once I knew, I stopped using them, but I would not expect to be condemned for my ignorance of German culture at the beginning.

John Barnes played football when black people were subject to continous high levels of abuse on the pitch that we don't see now. I think if anyone is in a position to comment, he is. When If John Terry is found guilty of having used racist language, something as an Englishman he would know full well was wrong, I'd be interested to see what Barnes says about that.

Pretty much. Suarez is innocent.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2010/05/hatereagle.jpg

Grebbo
23-12-2011, 11:01 PM
I can't see how Suarez can carry on playing in England. He'll be constantly got at from media/fans/preachers.

Evra's just being a big baby.

God knows what Terry's gonna do, die hopefully. He's obviously guilty as Sky have to blur his mouth every time they show him shouting 'black cunt' and Ferdinand - it's that obvious.

Players should just get on with it.

Japan Shaking All Over
24-12-2011, 01:47 PM
TBH I dont have one bit of sympathy for the guy. . .he can claim what he said is OK in his culture and that it only sounds like an offensive racist term. . .which is the very reason why he should have chosen his words more carefully as it isnt his country and words that sound similar can often be misinterpreted. . . .

I mean whats wrong with a simple 'you cunt'
g
The guy got caught out, Terry will get the same deserved treatment.. .just get on with it and if their absences give us a better chance in the league even better

Coney
24-12-2011, 04:17 PM
TBH I dont have one bit of sympathy for the guy. . .he can claim what he said is OK in his culture and that it only sounds like an offensive racist term. . .which is the very reason why he should have chosen his words more carefully as it isnt his country and words that sound similar can often be misinterpreted. . . .

I mean whats wrong with a simple 'you cunt'

The guy got caught out, Terry will get the same deserved treatment.. .just get on with it and if their absences give us a better chance in the league even better

Terry would know if what he said was offensive in this country. A newcomer like Suarez might not. If Terry is found to have been offensive, he should get a much higher penalty.

Xhaka Can’t
24-12-2011, 11:48 PM
Terry would know if what he said was offensive in this country. A newcomer like Suarez might not. If Terry is found to have been offensive, he should get a much higher penalty.

Like in the Champions League?

Syn
26-12-2011, 04:24 PM
I know an ITK at Liverpool - Apparently they're going to announce the plans to build a new stadium sometime next week. Supposed to be a surprise because they didn't think the owners were willing to take it on.

Shaqiri Is Boss
26-12-2011, 07:05 PM
:faint:

Until the last seat is installed I refuse to believe it.

Olivier's xmas twist
28-12-2011, 02:37 PM
Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has been handed a one-match suspension, fined £20,000 and warned as to his future conduct after admitting to an improper conduct charge for his behaviour at Fulham.

The club have also been fined £20,000 for failing to control their players in the same match.

Uruguay international Suarez was pictured apparently making a one-figured gesture towards Fulham's fans following Liverpool's 1-0 defeat at Craven Cottage on 5th December.

The ruling, announced by the Football Association, comes at a sensitive time for the Reds, who have made clear their anger over an eight-game suspension handed to the striker for racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra.

Live on Sky Sports
vs Liverpool v Newcastle
December 30, 2011 7:00pm

.Remote Record..The FA confirmed Suarez's punishment on their official website on Wednesday.

A statement read: "Liverpool player Luis Suarez will begin a one-match suspension with immediate effect after he admitted an FA charge of improper conduct in relation to the same game.

"Suarez was also fined £20,000 and warned as to his future conduct following a gesture he made towards the Fulham fans at the end of the fixture."

The suspension means Suarez will be absent for the Reds' game at home to Newcastle on Friday.

Appeal
Liverpool, whose players and manager, Kenny Dalglish, wore Suarez T-shirts in the warm-up of their match against Wigan, look certain to appeal the eight-game ban for the Evra incident once they have assessed the commission's detailed report.

Meanwhile, the club have been fined £20,000 and warned as to their future conduct for "failing to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion" during the same match.

The encounter saw Reds midfielder Jay Spearing sent off, an incident that led to a handful of Liverpool players remonstrating with referee Keith Friend.

Liverpool admitted the charge of failing to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion but contested the financial penalty.

The FA added: "The club admitted the charge, which was in relation to the dismissal of Jay Spearing, but did not accept the standard £20,000 penalty for the offence. However, at an Independent Regulatory Commission hearing today [Wednesday 28 December] the fine was imposed."



http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7399219/One-match-ban-for-Suarez

Cripps_orig
28-12-2011, 05:31 PM
Will we see another cringe worthy show of support?

Kaiser
28-12-2011, 06:00 PM
http://theboar.org/sport/2011/dec/28/debate-fa-justified-banning-luis-suarez/

A Liverpool fan and another debate the Suarez issue (I added the note at the end as the Scouser is so biased he disregards facts...).

Shaqiri Is Boss
28-12-2011, 06:18 PM
Suarez was being a massive WUM and it worked (or didn't depending on which way you look at it).

Wait for the report, then we can decide our actions. The wearing of the t-shirts was the worst thing we could have done; it made us look pathetic and as if we were trivialising the whole thing (no worse than the entire media, and it must be said black former footballers or the so called football racism campaigners who are trying to have a say).

Personally, I'm already bored of the whole thing.

Syn
28-12-2011, 07:19 PM
http://theboar.org/sport/2011/dec/28/debate-fa-justified-banning-luis-suarez/

A Liverpool fan and another debate the Suarez issue (I added the note at the end as the Scouser is so biased he disregards facts...).

You're the editor! That's quite cool. Are you in charge of the whole thing or just the sports or football?

You should write a piece on why Stoke City should be gassed. GW now has a platform to spread its wisdom.

Kaiser
29-12-2011, 09:01 AM
Just the Sport section. Excellent idea, I'll get on it. :lol:

Xhaka Can’t
29-12-2011, 08:20 PM
http://theboar.org/sport/2011/dec/28/debate-fa-justified-banning-luis-suarez/

A Liverpool fan and another debate the Suarez issue (I added the note at the end as the Scouser is so biased he disregards facts...).

You are a very powerful man.

Kaiser
30-12-2011, 12:34 AM
I has imaginary internet power :woohoo:

Xhaka Can’t
31-12-2011, 11:55 AM
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/2705/c4718381289cc149a1086a1.gif

Joker
31-12-2011, 05:12 PM
The FA has released the written reasons as to why Suarez was banned:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/luis-suarez-written-reasons

Niall_Quinn
31-12-2011, 05:19 PM
You are a very powerful man.

I found it boaring.

Niall_Quinn
31-12-2011, 05:45 PM
Why is Sport the LAST item on the nav menu? That's incredibly gay. Please sort it out by moving it to the front ahead of the made-up news section.

Coney
31-12-2011, 05:48 PM
Why is Sport the LAST item on the nav menu? That's incredibly gay. Please sort it out by moving it to the front ahead of the made-up news section.

We like it that way, honey.

Syn
31-12-2011, 06:08 PM
The FA has released the written reasons as to why Suarez was banned:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/luis-suarez-written-reasons

Very interesting.

Immigrants :lol:

Take the handbags elsewhere.

Niall_Quinn
31-12-2011, 06:10 PM
We like it that way, honey.

Well if you won't take my advice you can just suck my dick!

McNamara That Ghost...
31-12-2011, 07:28 PM
So Suarez admitted to using a phrase that uses the word 'negro', not negrito or something similar (although it seems his evidence keeps interchanging the word). Evra's account of it, says Suarez used many different instances of the word negro.

Either way, even though there are many, many pages to read I can't see how Suarez can get off the charge.

Time to iron those shirts Kenny.

McNamara That Ghost...
31-12-2011, 07:55 PM
Too many posts to C&P but Redcafe are going through it slowly but surely.

http://www.redcafe.net/f6/evra-accuses-suarez-racist-remarks-suarez-guilty-racial-abuse-341660/index130.html

This one in particular though doesn't reflect well on Liverpool.


Mr Dalglish told the referee that Mr Suarez responded with "you are black" having first
been taunted with "you are South American". Mr Comolli is not recorded as using the
word "taunted", but said that Mr Evra said "you are South American" to Mr Suarez who
responded with "Tues negro" which translates "you are Black". There is no suggestion here
that Mr Evra had said "Don't touch me", yet this seems now to be an essential part of Mr
Suarez's evidence. We were not given any explanation as to why the referee was not told
that Mr Evra had said "Don't touch me, South American", as opposed to "you are South
American".

Cripps_orig
31-12-2011, 08:01 PM
Nick Collins gave a brief summary on the 100+ page report on this on SSN.

Made me laugh when he read out the bit when Suarez was meant to have mentioned Evras skin colour and Evra said somthing like "say that again and il punch you" and Suarez apparently went "blackie blackie blackie"

Niall_Quinn
31-12-2011, 08:22 PM
It makes me laugh how they overlook the most crucial factor in this whole issue - which is Evra is one of the world's most massive cunts.

McNamara That Ghost...
31-12-2011, 08:25 PM
It makes me laugh how they overlook the most crucial factor in this whole issue - which is Evra is one of the world's most massive cunts.

There are many of those in the Premier League, unfortunately it's not a bannable offence. Barton wouldn't play again if that was the case.

Shaqiri Is Boss
31-12-2011, 08:28 PM
In all the circumstances, we preferred the evidence of Mr Evra. His account was clear and consistent in all material respects. There is no basis for saying that he lied or was mistaken in what he heard. We found that Mr Evra's account is probably what happened.

:blink:

McNamara That Ghost...
31-12-2011, 08:31 PM
They could word it better, it does sound fairly amateurish at times.

Shaqiri Is Boss
31-12-2011, 08:40 PM
What happens now is the United fans and media pick out the parts where it looks damning toward Suarez (the Mirror will be revelling in it), and the Liverpool fans pick out there parts where it is badly written and looks as if they're saying they're taking Evra's word as fact.

We wouldn't get it overturned, we could only affect the length of punishment so I think we should take it on the chin, considering a number of cup games are included in the 8-game run. Either way, we don't come out of it well.

McNamara That Ghost...
02-01-2012, 10:37 AM
Gary Ablett has died at the age of 46.

:rose:

Cripps_orig
02-01-2012, 12:39 PM
RIP

:rose:

Xhaka Can’t
02-01-2012, 12:44 PM
That is sad news. RIP :rose:

GP
02-01-2012, 12:47 PM
Very sad indeed.

Shaqiri Is Boss
03-01-2012, 06:37 PM
We're not appealing :woohoo:

So he'll probably miss tonight's match and be available for.... the United game :lol:

Cripps_orig
03-01-2012, 06:46 PM
"I will carry out the suspension with the resignation of someone who hasn't done anything wrong and who feels extremely upset by the events. I do feel sorry for the fans and for my team mates whom I will not be able to help during the next month. It will be a very difficult time for me."

T shirts at the ready

Rors
03-01-2012, 06:54 PM
Wise decision not to appeal I think. That would have prolonged the circus even more otherwise (if that's possible)

Master Splinter
03-01-2012, 06:55 PM
They'll have something new to self-victimise themselves over soon enough.

Ollie the Optimist
03-01-2012, 07:19 PM
suarez and liverpool statements basically say, he has done nothing, evra is a liar, fa are a joke.


what a joke liverpool have become. if as their statements say, they firmly believe suarez has done nothing wrong are they not appealing?

Shaqiri Is Boss
03-01-2012, 07:35 PM
Because getting someone else to think something is different to thinking it yourself.

McNamara That Ghost...
03-01-2012, 08:13 PM
Suarez. :lol:

What a moron.

McNamara That Ghost...
03-01-2012, 09:10 PM
I've just read Liverpool's statement. Weird stuff, no contrition whatsoever. And they infer that because of the charge there is the possiblity more players will do the same thing (I guess they mean make an allegation up of racism). :wacko:

Syn
03-01-2012, 09:17 PM
I've just read Liverpool's statement. Weird stuff, no contrition whatsoever. And they infer that because of the charge there is the possiblity more players will do the same thing (I guess they mean make an allegation up of racism). :wacko:

Walcott and Gervinho called me a terrorist.

8 match bans, please.

:pray:

KSE Comedy Club
04-01-2012, 09:02 AM
They are still at it.

SSN saying that basically they feel hard done by now.

Then this peachy statement from Dalglish:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16404151.stm


Kenny Dalglish has defended Liverpool's conduct during the Luis Suarez affair and insists the full facts have not been made public.

Liverpool will not appeal against the Uruguayan's eight-match suspension for racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra.

But the player and club maintained a defiant stance with strong statements.

"I don't think we are digging a bigger hole - it is unfortunate we cannot be more forthcoming," Dalglish said.

An independent Football Association commission ruled that Suarez, 24, had racially abused Evra during a 1-1 draw between Liverpool and Manchester United in October.

The commission's report stated that Suarez, 24, had used the term "negro" seven times in around two minutes and claimed he had damaged the reputation of English football around the world with his conduct.

It also criticised the striker for providing "unreliable" and "inconsistent" evidence at the hearing.

Liverpool announced they would not be appealing against Suarez's ban, yet both player and club subsequently issued statements in which they refused to accept responsibility and criticised the way the affair had been handled.

In his statement, Suarez said: "I will carry out the suspension with the resignation of someone who hasn't done anything wrong and who feels extremely upset by the events."

After Liverpool's 3-0 defeat by Manchester City, which Suarez missed because he was starting his ban, Dalglish said: "Luis has made a brilliant statement and we stand by him.

"There are a lot of things we'd like to say and a lot of things we could say but we don't want to get ourselves into trouble. We know what has gone on. We know what is not in the report and that is important for us.

"It is unfortunate that you don't actually know the whole content of what went on at the hearing. I cannot go any further."

Suarez admitted saying the word "negro" to Evra, yet Dalglish argued the Uruguayan's background and nationality should have been taken into account by the independent commission.

"I would have thought that if you pronounced the word properly, you maybe understand it better," he said.

"If you get into asking a linguistic expert, which certainly I am not, they will tell you that the part of the country in Uruguay where he [Suarez] comes from, it is perfectly acceptable.

"His wife calls him that and I don't think he is offended by her."

And Dalglish defended the much-criticised decision by himself and his players to wear T-shirts in support of Suarez at the Wigan match before Christmas.

"If one of your guys was in trouble would you help and support him if you knew it was the truth and you knew it was right?" he asked.

"If they want to show their support for their team-mate, what is wrong with that? I think it is a fabulous statement to make visually of your support for a guy who is endeared in the dressing room."



"It is unfortunate that you don't actually know the whole content of what went on at the hearing. I cannot go any further."

If theres more to it then why arent LFC appealing? Clearly if they feel that aggrieved then they would be able to defend themselves.

I call bullshit.

Liverpool FC - still supporting racism since Dec 2011.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 09:07 AM
John Barnes dislikes this :thumbsdown:

Marc Overmars
04-01-2012, 09:55 AM
I didn't really mind Liverpool as a club until now. Pretty sad the way they've gone about this.

Cripps_orig
04-01-2012, 09:56 AM
They've always had the victim complex tbh

McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2012, 10:25 AM
The whole transcript of his press conference.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/04/kenny-dalglish-luis-suarez-transcript


Reporter: "You think there is an agenda against Liverpool?"

Dalglish: "No. You said that. I never. You get yourself in trouble, I'm all right."

Childish really.



Reporter: "Kenny, the wider world is pretty shocked that, if a player can call someone 'negro' and the player who is the victim in this takes offence, that there is no apology or contrition offered from your club."

Dalglish: "I would have thought that, if you pronounced the word properly, you maybe understand it better. I think it was Spanish he was speaking and I don't think you were speaking Spanish there.

Reporter: "OK, if a player calls someone 'negro' [Spanish pronunciation], surely the player who takes offence deserves an apology?"

Dalglish: "Ask a linguistic expert, which certainly I am not. They will tell you that the part of the country in Uruguay where he [Luis Suárez] comes from, it is perfectly acceptable. His wife calls him that and I don't think he is offended by her. We have made a statement and I think it is there for everybody to read. Luis has made a brilliant statement and we will stand by him."

Wrong Kenny, if it's with someone who you know and are friends with, then maybe, maybe it is acceptable in Uruguay. It is not on on this occasion, in this country. However with the phrases that Suarez is believed to have said, they are racist. Plus, does it really matter if negro is 'pronounced' in Spanish or not?

He's a dick.

McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2012, 10:37 AM
FFS Olly.

http://www.abload.de/img/shesafirinherlazeroer5x.gif

:haha:

Flavs
04-01-2012, 10:42 AM
FFS Olly.

http://www.abload.de/img/shesafirinherlazeroer5x.gif

:haha:

I CANT SEE THESE FOR FUCKS SAKE!!

Also, who knew that Kenny Dalgliesh isnt a linguistic expert??

Cripps_orig
04-01-2012, 10:44 AM
:haha:

Olly :bow:

LDG
04-01-2012, 10:51 AM
:haha:

Shaqiri Is Boss
04-01-2012, 12:18 PM
The whole transcript of his press conference.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/04/kenny-dalglish-luis-suarez-transcript



Childish really.



Wrong Kenny, if it's with someone who you know and are friends with, then maybe, maybe it is acceptable in Uruguay. It is not on on this occasion, in this country. However with the phrases that Suarez is believed to have said, they are racist. Plus, does it really matter if negro is 'pronounced' in Spanish or not?

He's a dick.

That's the problem with Suarez's defence. It wasn't a nice, friendly situation. It was a confrontation between two rivals. That just there is enough to find him guilty regardless of any mitigation.

Even so, whichever way we defend Suarez there would be criticism. Hell, if we'd ostracised him the same people would be complaining we're treating him harshly. I just hope Terry is punished in the same way (more, actually) if found guilty.

Also, we need new lawyers.

McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2012, 12:26 PM
There's nothing particularly wrong with publically defending someone but in Liverpool's case they only did it after he had been punished for it. :blink:

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 12:30 PM
That's the problem with Suarez's defence. It wasn't a nice, friendly situation. It was a confrontation between two rivals. That just there is enough to find him guilty regardless of any mitigation.

Even so, whichever way we defend Suarez there would be criticism. Hell, if we'd ostracised him the same people would be complaining we're treating him harshly. I just hope Terry is punished in the same way (more, actually) if found guilty.

Also, we need new lawyers.

That's the key, it's the authorities on trial now and it depends how they act over Terry. I suspect we'll see a completely different outcome. I must admit, I had no idea "negro" was yet another naughty word the politically correct cunts had added to their speech crime directory. What we desperately need is for them to produce a handbook of PERMITTED terminology so we can all stay on the right side of their fucked up crusade to control what we say and think. Or we could just kill them all, which is my preferred choice.

McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2012, 12:33 PM
I don't think it's solely the word 'negro' that's the reason he is being punished. Isn't he supposed to have said something like "I don't talk to blacks" (in Spanish of course)? I don't think it can be hidden behind PC on this occasion.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 12:39 PM
I don't think it's solely the word 'negro' that's the reason he is being punished. Isn't he supposed to have said something like "I don't talk to blacks" (in Spanish of course)? I don't think it can be hidden behind PC on this occasion.

What's wrong with that? I mean seriously, if anyone decides they don't want to speak to blacks then that's their choice. Who the fuck else has the right to tell them who they should and shouldn't speak to? This is just looney bullshit from start to finish. We have a million problems in the world and this is the sort of shit that gets the spotlight. Fucked up world.

Cripps_orig
04-01-2012, 12:44 PM
What's wrong with that? I mean seriously, if anyone decides they don't want to speak to blacks then that's their choice. Who the fuck else has the right to tell them who they should and shouldn't speak to? This is just looney bullshit from start to finish. We have a million problems in the world and this is the sort of shit that gets the spotlight. Fucked up world.Well we knows thats BS cos he has to talk to his strike partner Heskey from time to time

Oh wait, thats Carroll. My mistake

Coney
04-01-2012, 12:44 PM
FFS Olly.

http://www.abload.de/img/shesafirinherlazeroer5x.gif

:haha:

:lol:

McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2012, 12:46 PM
What's wrong with that? I mean seriously, if anyone decides they don't want to speak to blacks then that's their choice. Who the fuck else has the right to tell them who they should and shouldn't speak to? This is just looney bullshit from start to finish. We have a million problems in the world and this is the sort of shit that gets the spotlight. Fucked up world.

If you don't want it continuing to get a spotlight then why are you doing your bit and presumably wasting your own time by talking about it on a forum? :blink:

Anyway the point is, the FA have committed to a zero tolerance policy on racism. Therefore he gets punished for it. Tough shit, man up. It doesn't seem to have been a problem for anyone else before Suarez, well, except for Big Man of course.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 12:52 PM
If you don't want it continuing to get a spotlight then why are you doing your bit and presumably wasting your own time by talking about it on a forum? :blink:

Anyway the point is, the FA have committed to a zero tolerance policy on racism. Therefore he gets punished for it. Tough shit, man up. It doesn't seem to have been a problem for anyone else before Suarez, well, except for Big Man of course.

Because the dickheads running this 1984 agenda will take a mile for every inch granted without protest. Mind you, most people are so mind fucked by now they just go along with it by default.

And why don't the FA take their nose out of shit that doesn't concern them? They should busy themselves teaching referees what football is about, a zero tolerance policy on Phil Dowd would be far more worthwhile. If a crime has been committed then let Evra go to the proper authorities to sort that out.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 12:52 PM
If you don't want it continuing to get a spotlight then why are you doing your bit and presumably wasting your own time by talking about it on a forum? :blink:

Anyway the point is, the FA have committed to a zero tolerance policy on racism. Therefore he gets punished for it. Tough shit, man up. It doesn't seem to have been a problem for anyone else before Suarez, well, except for Big Man of course.

You think Liverscouse are whining like bitches now? Wait till the big man gets a 1 game ban and retains his England captaincy (again)

McNamara That Ghost...
04-01-2012, 12:54 PM
Because the dickheads running this 1984 agenda will take a mile for every inch granted without protest. Mind you, most people are so mind fucked by now they just go along with it by default.

And why don't the FA take their nose out of shit that doesn't concern them? They should busy themselves teaching referees what football is about, a zero tolerance policy on Phil Dowd would be far more worthwhile. If a crime has been committed then let Evra go to the proper authorities to sort that out.

Are you starting your protest today then? And it does concern the FA because it happened on a pitch under their jurisdiction. We all know the FA are generally useless and that's probably why the independent commission was successful and thorough in its document.

KSE Comedy Club
04-01-2012, 12:55 PM
The fact is that Suarez has been punished for racially abusing another player.

Him and LFC can twist it all they want, but he pretty much admitted to using the words/names that he was accused of.

Who gives a fuck if its not racist in his country? It is in this country, where he plays, and Evra doesnt come from Uraguay so clearly he found it offensive.

If LFC are going to accept the punishment with no appeal, then they should along with Suarez be big enough to come out and issue an apology and put it all to bed.

All Suarez had to say was, 'I am sorry if Ive offended him, in my country its not considered a racist thing to say, so I can only apologise and I will choose my words more carefully in the future'

along with LFC 'We as a club do not condone racism or racist abuse towards other professionals on the pitch or anywhere else. Obviously there has been some confusion as to the acceptibility of what was said between two players of different nationalities, but we respect the FA's decision and consider the matter closed.'

(Ive just saved face for LFC and Suarez with those two statements)

But instead they have decided to make a mockery of it all and act like they are the victims. It makes them look like cunts tbh. They only have themselves to blame.

Coney
04-01-2012, 12:55 PM
Because the dickheads running this 1984 agenda will take a mile for every inch granted without protest. Mind you, most people are so mind fucked by now they just go along with it by default.

And why don't the FA take their nose out of shit that doesn't concern them? They should busy themselves teaching referees what football is about, a zero tolerance policy on Phil Dowd would be far more worthwhile. If a crime has been committed then let Evra go to the proper authorities to sort that out.

This 'shit' does concern them.

The fact that the FA are shit when it comes to refereeing is a separate issue that also needs addressing.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 12:57 PM
The one thing that does seem to have been overlooked throughout all of this is that Patrice Evra is, when judged by any measure, a marauding cunt.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 12:59 PM
We were more enlightened as kids, stick and stones... Now we're all just a bunch of pussies whinging like fuck when anyone hurts our feelings. Fucking sissy species, at least the dinosaurs had to be hit by a rock to die out (apart from LDGs dinosaurs which are fine).

Coney
04-01-2012, 12:59 PM
The fact is that Suarez has been punished for racially abusing another player.

Him and LFC can twist it all they want, but he pretty much admitted to using the words/names that he was accused of.

Who gives a fuck if its not racist in his country? It is in this country, where he plays, and Evra doesnt come from Uraguay so clearly he found it offensive.

If LFC are going to accept the punishment with no appeal, then they should along with Suarez be big enough to come out and issue an apology and put it all to bed.

All Suarez had to say was, 'I am sorry if Ive offended him, in my country its not considered a racist thing to say, so I can only apologise and I will choose my words more carefully in the future'

along with LFC 'We as a club do not condone racism or racist abuse towards other professionals on the pitch or anywhere else. Obviously there has been some confusion as to the acceptibility of what was said between two players of different nationalities, but we respect the FA's decision and consider the matter closed.'

(Ive just saved face for LFC and Suarez with those two statements)

But instead they have decided to make a mockery of it all and act like they are the victims. It makes them look like cunts tbh. They only have themselves to blame.

Sounds good.

Next time I cross a line, I'll give you a shout so you can prepare my statement.

You could do that for others too. e.g. "Sorry to have upset people but although some of my best friends are black, I didn't realise the term 'coloured' would cause offence".

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 12:59 PM
The one thing that does seem to have been overlooked throughout all of this is that Patrice Evra is, when judged by any measure, a marauding cunt.

I was very open and candid about that fact from the outset.

Coney
04-01-2012, 01:03 PM
You think Liverscouse are whining like bitches now? Wait till the big man gets a 1 game ban and retains his England captaincy (again)

One thing I think will have to happen, whether the FA wanted to or not, is that Terry must receive at least the same sentence and if he is found guilty in court, then he will have to lose the captaincy. The press/media would force the issue, especially after all the stuff we have seen/read about Suarez/Evra.

GP
04-01-2012, 01:05 PM
I don't see the problem here.

He was just calling a spade a spade.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:06 PM
One thing I think will have to happen, whether the FA wanted to or not, is that Terry must receive at least the same sentence and if he is found guilty in court, then he will have to lose the captaincy. The press/media would force the issue, especially after all the stuff we have seen/read about Suarez/Evra.

Terry will lie and everyone will accept it. Then it's onto the Euros, kerching. Anyway, why would the FA need to be forced into anything by the media, wouldn't they simply apply a set of non-hypocritical, non-bullshit rules evenly without pressure?

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:08 PM
This 'shit' does concern them.

The fact that the FA are shit when it comes to refereeing is a separate issue that also needs addressing.

Why does it concern them? There's legislation to deal with this sort of thing isn't there? Why do we need a second layer of amateurs chipping in?

KSE Comedy Club
04-01-2012, 01:11 PM
Sounds good.

Next time I cross a line, I'll give you a shout so you can prepare my statement.

You could do that for others too. e.g. "Sorry to have upset people but although some of my best friends are black, I didn't realise the term 'coloured' would cause offence".

No problem :lol:

You get what I am saying though, they could both have apologised for the incident and moved on, but instead they are being arrogant about it all and carrying the whole thing on.

Coney
04-01-2012, 01:11 PM
Terry will lie and everyone will accept it. Then it's onto the Euros, kerching. Anyway, why would the FA need to be forced into anything by the media, wouldn't they simply apply a set of non-hypocritical, non-bullshit rules evenly without pressure?

No - I think the media/press campaign in the Terry case - where there is film of him - will be so intense and distracting to the England team that the FA will be left with no choice. They will otherwise face a hostile press for the build-up to and during the Euros. Plus other players committing such offences will have an instant defence because of how Terry was treated, plus Suarez/Liverpool would mount a legal challenge over Suarez punishment and they would pretty well guarantee a significant reduction on Suarez' sentence, thus making the FA look even more stupid than they do now.

Coney
04-01-2012, 01:12 PM
Why does it concern them? There's legislation to deal with this sort of thing isn't there? Why do we need a second layer of amateurs chipping in?

Because then the logical result is players suing each other over any challenge causing a bit of a bruise as that is common assault. By the same logic you are applying, the referee should not give a yellow/red card but do nothing and see if the police refer the tackle to the CPS.

Coney
04-01-2012, 01:14 PM
No problem :lol:

You get what I am saying though, they could both have apologised for the incident and moved on, but instead they are being arrogant about it all and carrying the whole thing on.

Sure - you are right. Had Liverpool done as you suggested, then while Suarez would have had a ban, it would likely have been only 2 or 3 matches.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:19 PM
Because then the logical result is players suing each other over any challenge causing a bit of a bruise as that is common assault. By the same logic you are applying, the referee should not give a yellow/red card but do nothing and see if the police refer the tackle to the CPS.

No, because the rules of the game have been set down for a century and none of those rules concern themselves with social or political issues. A foul is a foul but where are the detailed rules for the words you are allowed to say on a football pitch? Anyway, it wouldn't hurt to see the whole thing descend into farce, like players suing players and refs being dragged into court over loss of earnings. Then we could see where the game (and everything else) will eventually end up if we continue down this lunatic path and maybe a few grown-ups could then intervene.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 01:21 PM
I think I could do a good job at the FA

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:21 PM
Sure - you are right. Had Liverpool done as you suggested, then while Suarez would have had a ban, it would likely have been only 2 or 3 matches.

Not necessarily true. Witches still got burned even when they admitted they were witches. The mindless mob can be vindictive either way.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:21 PM
I think I could do a good job at the FA

Can I hold the ammo for you?

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 01:22 PM
Why should he/they apologise if they don't mean it?

Flavs
04-01-2012, 01:24 PM
Can I hold the ammo for you?

Seriously i have a lot of experience dealings with jumped up, overpaid sissies who think they don't have to abide by the rules and are used to being mollycoddled by those who employ them. I am fair in judgement, a stickler for rules but also am not completely averse to taking a bung

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:25 PM
Why should he/they apologise if they don't mean it?

Because it's not up to Suarez to decide what he meant or didn't mean. It's up to a bunch of self satisfied, authoritarian smug arseholes to poke their noses in and decide what everyone else should say and think. It's called progress btw.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:25 PM
Seriously i have a lot of experience dealings with jumped up, overpaid sissies who think they don't have to abide by the rules and are used to being mollycoddled by those who employ them. I am fair in judgement, a stickler for rules but also am not completely averse to taking a bung

Can I have a percentage of your bung?

KSE Comedy Club
04-01-2012, 01:30 PM
Sure - you are right. Had Liverpool done as you suggested, then while Suarez would have had a ban, it would likely have been only 2 or 3 matches.

No, I mean now, after recieving the 8 game ban.

They have instead chosen to aggravate the situation further.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 01:35 PM
Can I have a percentage of your bung?

Any bunging i will be doing at the FA will be into my secretary thanks

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:40 PM
No, I mean now, after recieving the 8 game ban.

They have instead chosen to aggravate the situation further.

How so? If they don't accept it then they have that right don't they? They claim one thing, the FA claims another, why should the club and the player disregard their own claims in favour of anyone else's?

The best way for this to have been sorted would be for Suarez and Evra to say whatever the fuck they wanted to each other in the heat of the moment and then decided between themselves if they were man enough to privately apologise for it after the match. I still fail to see why anyone else thinks it's their business. Same goes for the Terry thing, if it gets caught on camera then let the viewers decide for themselves what they think about the guy. Instead we have school children and headmasters. All sad. If I was Dalglish I;d have had, "Poke your nose out, CUNTS!" written on the T-shirts.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:41 PM
Any bunging i will be doing at the FA will be into my secretary thanks

Looks like a job at UEFA is the better option then, but thanks for your time anyway.

KSE Comedy Club
04-01-2012, 01:45 PM
How so? If they don't accept it then they have that right don't they? They claim one thing, the FA claims another, why should the club and the player disregard their own claims in favour of anyone else's?

The best way for this to have been sorted would be for Suarez and Evra to say whatever the fuck they wanted to each other in the heat of the moment and then decided between themselves if they were man enough to privately apologise for it after the match. I still fail to see why anyone else thinks it's their business. Same goes for the Terry thing, if it gets caught on camera then let the viewers decide for themselves what they think about the guy. Instead we have school children and headmasters. All sad. If I was Dalglish I;d have had, "Poke your nose out, CUNTS!" written on the T-shirts.

Well if thats the case, then why dont they appeal?

If you think you are being falsely accused and are not guilty of something then you will fight against it wont you, and you would then in turn follow the appeal process if you still think youve done nothing wrong.

LFC have chosen to accept it, so they should act like it and apologise. Not keep going on about how they havent done anything wrong.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 01:57 PM
Well if thats the case, then why dont they appeal?

If you think you are being falsely accused and are not guilty of something then you will fight against it wont you, and you would then in turn follow the appeal process if you still think youve done nothing wrong.

LFC have chosen to accept it, so they should act like it and apologise. Not keep going on about how they havent done anything wrong.

Because the FA doesn't accept their case, the case itself is not in dispute so an appeal is futile.

This is Evra all over, the little shit. He's just as involved as Suarez except being one of these politically correct turds (look at his track record) he knows how to skirt the line so he can bitch to the headmaster without falling in the shit himself. It's not just this, you'll also find the guy stirring it over transfers, tapping-up, anything the little cunt can get involved in without consequences to himself. He's a big mouthed piece of shit, no wonder players fall out with him on the pitch. I suppose his reference to "South Americans" was friendly and meant in the correct spirit? One of the most horrible bastards ever to foul the football pitch. Hope there is such a thing as karma because if there is he has some serious shit lying in wait for him. And well deserved.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 01:59 PM
Patrice Evra would be the first player i went over the ball for if i was in the prem

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 02:01 PM
Patrice Evra would be the first player i went over the ball for if i was in the prem

Racist

Flavs
04-01-2012, 02:05 PM
Racist

Not really, i hate him cos he is a cunt not cos he is a coloured

;)

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 02:07 PM
Not really, i hate him cos he is a cunt not cos he is a coloured

;)

That's your story but I'm in a better position to know what you think - 8 week ban from GW, mods make it happen!

Flavs
04-01-2012, 02:08 PM
That's your story but I'm in a better position to know what you think - 8 week ban from GW, mods make it happen!

but in my country we call all cunts cunt

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 02:09 PM
but in my country we call all cunts cunt

Blimey, you're not even English! 16 week ban!

Flavs
04-01-2012, 02:10 PM
Blimey, you're not even English! 16 week ban!

racist, your whole institution is racist and your rules are culturally biased

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 02:15 PM
racist, your whole institution is racist and your rules are culturally biased

Too late, the truth won't save you now. Next you'll be telling me you aren't even the England captain and woe betide you if that turns out to be the case.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 02:17 PM
Too late, the truth won't save you now. Next you'll be telling me you aren't even the England captain and woe betide you if that turns out to be the case.

I have been shagging my team mates ex-girlfriends and my sister in law if that gives me any kind of leeway

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 02:23 PM
I have been shagging my team mates ex-girlfriends and my sister in law if that gives me any kind of leeway

The only thing that will get you off the hook is if you can prove you kicked the shit out of a Pakistani outside a nightclub. Sorry, but rules are rules.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 02:24 PM
The only thing that will get you off the hook is if you can prove you kicked the shit out of a Pakistani outside a nightclub. Sorry, but rules are rules.

Well i am in Leeds...

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 02:27 PM
Well i am in Leeds...

Let me get the carpet and the brush and we'll say no more about this.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 02:28 PM
:dance:

Coney
04-01-2012, 03:21 PM
but in my country we call all cunts cunt

... and in Yorkshire, we call a spade a spade.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 03:50 PM
... and in Yorkshire, we call a spade a spade.

What do you mean "we"

Marc Overmars
04-01-2012, 03:55 PM
Yorkshire is a nice part of the country.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 04:03 PM
Yorkshire is a nice part of the country.

Racist

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 04:42 PM
Well if thats the case, then why dont they appeal?

If you think you are being falsely accused and are not guilty of something then you will fight against it wont you, and you would then in turn follow the appeal process if you still think youve done nothing wrong.

LFC have chosen to accept it, so they should act like it and apologise. Not keep going on about how they havent done anything wrong.

Why should they apologise if they don't mean it? Even if my kid is in the wrong, I won't ask him to apologise because then he is only doing it because I said so and not because he is actually sorry about anything, rendering it meaningless.

Marc Overmars
04-01-2012, 04:45 PM
Why should they apologise if they don't mean it? Even if my kid is in the wrong, I won't ask him to apologise because then he is only doing it because I said so and not because he is actually sorry about anything, rendering it meaningless.

I agree.

Which is why it makes their blind stance on the situation even more open to criticism.

Kano
04-01-2012, 04:48 PM
yes and no. at times a kid needs reminding that apologising is the right and correct thing to do, a little prompting is sometimes needed.

much the same with adults that are too proud to step down and realise when they've made a mistake.

even if it isn't meant it shows a humility much needed and more importantly just hearing the words may actually mean something to the victim.

Coney
04-01-2012, 04:58 PM
What do you mean "we"

Are you not from Yorkshire? :unsure:

KSE Comedy Club
04-01-2012, 06:01 PM
yes and no. at times a kid needs reminding that apologising is the right and correct thing to do, a little prompting is sometimes needed.

much the same with adults that are too proud to step down and realise when they've made a mistake.

even if it isn't meant it shows a humility much needed and more importantly just hearing the words may actually mean something to the victim.Absolutely spot on.

I do the same with my kids, if they've done wrong I tell them to apologise for it.
That's part of them learning right from wrong.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 06:04 PM
Absolutely spot on.

I do the same with my kids, if they've done wrong I tell them to apologise for it.
That's part of them learning right from wrong.

Only trouble in this case is there's no victim. Somebody getting murdered just for walking on the street, that's a victim. Patrice Evra having somebody say mean things to him, not really a candidate for victim status. He's a cunt but hardly a victim.

Syn
04-01-2012, 06:09 PM
Dalglish's comments are stupid. I couldn't give a fuck what it means in South America. We're in the UK. If you come here, you should know what's acceptable and what isn't. If you don't, you shouldn't be living here. If I go to Singapore and spit gum out in the street, I'd expect to get done for it - or, at least, couldn't complain if I was done for it.

I thought with Liverpool's initial stance that there might've been a lot more to the story. It seems there isn't. Pathetic behaviour from Liverpool.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 06:10 PM
Absolutely spot on.

I do the same with my kids, if they've done wrong I tell them to apologise for it.
That's part of them learning right from wrong.

Nope, they can be explained to what is right and what is wrong. Coercing someone to apologise renders it meaningless. I explain to my son what is right and what is wrong and give him time and space to think. When the apology comes - I know he has learnt something and I know he means it.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 06:12 PM
Dalglish's comments are stupid. I couldn't give a fuck what it means in South America. We're in the UK. If you come here, you should know what's acceptable and what isn't. If you don't, you shouldn't be living here. If I go to Singapore and spit gum out in the street, I'd expect to get done for it - or, at least, couldn't complain if I was done for it.

I thought with Liverpool's initial stance that there might've been a lot more to the story. It seems there isn't. Pathetic behaviour from Liverpool.

What if the gum spitting law was created on the spot, as your gum hit the pavement? Or created in response to Evra grassing you up? If the FA is now controlling what can or can't be said on a pitch they need to publish a comprehensive list of words so everyone knows where they stand.

Syn
04-01-2012, 06:17 PM
What if the gum spitting law was created on the spot, as your gum hit the pavement? Or created in response to Evra grassing you up? If the FA is now controlling what can or can't be said on a pitch they need to publish a comprehensive list of words so everyone knows where they stand.

Anything that references skin colour in an insult is off-limits. If anyone thinks that's an ad-hoc rule, they've either been in a coma for 50 years or they live in Georgia.

KSE Comedy Club
04-01-2012, 06:20 PM
Nope, they can be explained to what is right and what is wrong. Coercing someone to apologise renders it meaningless. I explain to my son what is right and what is wrong and give him time and space to think. When the apology comes - I know he has learnt something and I know he means it.Actually that's spot on too.

I do that also. Usually it involves some time out on the naughty step!

But sometimes they do need to be told when they dont realise what they have done wrong.

In Suarez and LFC's case, they've been told, but opened their mouths without any thought.

Shaqiri Is Boss
04-01-2012, 06:25 PM
Actually that's spot on too.

I do that also. Usually it involves some time out on the naughty step!

But sometimes they do need to be told when they dont realise what they have done wrong.

In Suarez and LFC's case, they've been told, but opened their mouths without any thought.

The way we've handled it has been a total shambles from day one, tbf.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 06:27 PM
Anything that references skin colour in an insult is off-limits. If anyone thinks that's an ad-hoc rule, they've either been in a coma for 50 years or they live in Georgia.

Off limits? Says who? A society led by the nose by a hysterical media that does everything it does for profit and is happiest when trading off the back of misery and controversy?

Evra says Suarez isn't a racist, the FA accept he's not a racist, Suarez confirms he's not a racist. So what are we left with? Two guys having a spur of the moment argument in a highly charged environment. A lot of hysteria over a pub incident where nobody gets hurt, not even a hair disturbed. I wonder what other forms of moral outrage we can conjure up while we wave the flags for the murdering cunts shooting up the sand niggers so they can steal their oil? Like I said, fucked up world.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 06:28 PM
The way we've handled it has been a total shambles from day one, tbf.

Agreed, you should have told the FA to go fuck themselves.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 06:28 PM
Actually that's spot on too.

I do that also. Usually it involves some time out on the naughty step!

But sometimes they do need to be told when they dont realise what they have done wrong.

In Suarez and LFC's case, they've been told, but opened their mouths without any thought.

That is a good approach - and the thinking time often involves being told to go do it in his room.

As for the topic - there is no doubt Liverpool have dragged their Club into the gutter with their behaviour and should have just stfu and left it there. There really is nothing to be gained by them or by Suarez in continuing to chirp the way they have done.

Shaqiri Is Boss
04-01-2012, 06:29 PM
Agreed, you should have told the FA to go fuck themselves.

I get the feeling we already have.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 06:31 PM
I get the feeling we already have.

Well good for you in that case, somebody needed to do it.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 06:33 PM
That is a good approach - and the thinking time often involves being told to go do it in his room.

As for the topic - there is no doubt Liverpool have dragged their Club into the gutter with their behaviour and should have just stfu and left it there. There really is nothing to be gained by them or by Suarez in continuing to chirp the way they have done.

Nobody gets any time these days though with the cocksucking media on the case. RvP was making Nazi salutes too, don't forget - but that crap was so ridiculous they couldn't make it stick.

Syn
04-01-2012, 07:11 PM
Off limits? Says who? A society led by the nose by a hysterical media that does everything it does for profit and is happiest when trading off the back of misery and controversy?

Racist insults are off-limits. If you're one of those 'why can't I say black bastard when you're allowed to say white/fat bastard' types that don't understand how words can carry historical significance/connotations that can antagonise someone far more than punching or spitting at someone could then unfortunately I haven't got the time to educate you.



Evra says Suarez isn't a racist, the FA accept he's not a racist, Suarez confirms he's not a racist. So what are we left with? Two guys having a spur of the moment argument in a highly charged environment. A lot of hysteria over a pub incident where nobody gets hurt, not even a hair disturbed. I wonder what other forms of moral outrage we can conjure up while we wave the flags for the murdering cunts shooting up the sand niggers so they can steal their oil? Like I said, fucked up world.

I believe someone can murder someone and still be a good person. He shouldn't get off just because he's a nice guy at heart. Consequences for actions.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 07:16 PM
Are insults to people's mothers off limits too?

What insults are within limits?

Where is the line?

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 07:25 PM
Racist insults are off-limits. If you're one of those 'why can't I say black bastard when you're allowed to say white/fat bastard' types that don't understand how words can carry historical significance/connotations that can antagonise someone far more than punching or spitting at someone could then unfortunately I haven't got the time to educate you.

No, I'm one of those people who says I don't give a shit what people say about me provided it doesn't cause actual harm. However, if I was a pussy arsed crybaby twat like Evra who has to go running to the teacher every time somebody calls him names then that would be different.





I believe someone can murder someone and still be a good person. He shouldn't get off just because he's a nice guy at heart. Consequences for actions.

Yes, because calling somebody names is exactly the same as murdering them. Like I said, if a crime has been committed then call the police, if damages have occurred then call a lawyer and prove it. How has Evra been injured or suffered damages in any way? He hasn't.

Syn
04-01-2012, 07:26 PM
Are insults to people's mothers off limits too?

What insults are within limits?

Where is the line?

I don't know. E-mail the FA and ask them.

If you're looking for well-defined rules like that, you can pretty much start quibbling about most things.

Syn
04-01-2012, 07:28 PM
No, I'm one of those people who says I don't give a shit what people say about me provided it doesn't cause actual harm. However, if I was a pussy arsed crybaby twat like Evra who has to go running to the teacher every time somebody calls him names then that would be different.

Yes, because calling somebody names is exactly the same as murdering them. Like I said, if a crime has been committed then call the police, if damages have occurred then call a lawyer and prove it. How has Evra been injured or suffered damages in any way? He hasn't.

This is ridiculous. Good for you if you're so thick skinned that you believe that harm can only be physical.

As I said, I'm not going to explain why racist insults deserve punishment.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 07:29 PM
Are insults to people's mothers off limits too?

What insults are within limits?

Where is the line?

It's a moving line based entirely on astounding hypocrisy. These fuckers and their fucked up society. If they want to be anal about everything but still claim it's a free society then there should be segregation (choice). Normal fucking people can live in one half of the country and the delicate petals can go live in the other half and cry all day.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 07:35 PM
This is ridiculous. Good for you if you're so thick skinned that you believe that harm can only be physical.

As I said, I'm not going to explain why racist insults deserve punishment.

What's ridiculous is the knee-jerk reaction to even a hint of spoken racism while we do fuck all apart from cheer when institutionalised racism is packed of with rifles to fuck up some other country. Listen to the "debate" on Iran, for instance. They can't have a nuke because they are all mad and would definitely use it. Whereas it's okay for lunatics in the States to have a shit load because apart from being the only country to ever use such weapons (indiscriminately) they would never, ever use such weapons. Because they are civilised. It's all just a bunch of shit and it's frightening how many people buy into it.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 07:35 PM
I don't know. E-mail the FA and ask them.

If you're looking for well-defined rules like that, you can pretty much start quibbling about most things.

You can't answer whether or not it is 'off-limits' to insult someone's mother?

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 07:39 PM
You can't answer whether or not it is 'off-limits' to insult someone's mother?

Yes, let's make it off-limits because you can't help who your mother is. You see where we can go with this? Big nose!

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 07:52 PM
Yes, let's make it off-limits because you can't help who your mother is. You see where we can go with this? Big nose!

I don't have a big nose, the rest of my face is small.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 07:53 PM
I don't have a big nose, the rest of my face is small.

Small face!

Syn
04-01-2012, 07:53 PM
You can't answer whether or not it is 'off-limits' to insult someone's mother?

I have answered it - I don't know. What would I do if I was on the FA and I heard a 'your mother's a whore' insult? I genuinely don't know. I think an insult about somebody's mother - given that in all probability you've never met or seen the woman - is going to carry significantly less weight than a racist one.

Wherever people want to draw the line, I think racist insults are not close to it. To my mind, it's like reacting to a Shawcross of a challenge by enquiring where the line for a red card is. Out of a 100 people, 2 or 3 might say it wasn't a red card challenge. It's a matter of opinion because anything involving human behaviour is, but I think those 2 or 3 people would be wrong.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 07:55 PM
I have answered it - I don't know. What would I do if I was on the FA and I heard a 'your mother's a whore' insult? I genuinely don't know. I think an insult about somebody's mother - given that in all probability you've never met or seen the woman - is going to carry significantly less weight than a racist one.

Wherever people want to draw the line, I think racist insults are not close to it. To my mind, it's like reacting to a Shawcross of a challenge by enquiring where the line for a red card is. Out of a 100 people, 2 or 3 might say it wasn't a red card challenge. It's a matter of opinion because anything involving human behaviour is, but I think those 2 or 3 people would be wrong.

Would you be prepared to sanction them for having a different opinion?

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 08:03 PM
I have answered it - I don't know. What would I do if I was on the FA and I heard a 'your mother's a whore' insult? I genuinely don't know. I think an insult about somebody's mother - given that in all probability you've never met or seen the woman - is going to carry significantly less weight than a racist one.

Wherever people want to draw the line, I think racist insults are not close to it. To my mind, it's like reacting to a Shawcross of a challenge by enquiring where the line for a red card is. Out of a 100 people, 2 or 3 might say it wasn't a red card challenge. It's a matter of opinion because anything involving human behaviour is, but I think those 2 or 3 people would be wrong.

You see, to me, I'm likely to be more offended by an insult to my Mom. I won't cry about it, but it will bother me more. I had many intances when working in a Job Centre where the main thrust of an insult against me was to do with being Irish. I couldn't respond and frankly, I couldn't give a shit.

My lines are drawn in different places - and I don't take kindly to people telling me where a line should be drawn.

Syn
04-01-2012, 08:04 PM
What's ridiculous is the knee-jerk reaction to even a hint of spoken racism while we do fuck all apart from cheer when institutionalised racism is packed of with rifles to fuck up some other country. Listen to the "debate" on Iran, for instance. They can't have a nuke because they are all mad and would definitely use it. Whereas it's okay for lunatics in the States to have a shit load because apart from being the only country to ever use such weapons (indiscriminately) they would never, ever use such weapons. Because they are civilised. It's all just a bunch of shit and it's frightening how many people buy into it.

What you've described about Iran has little to do with racism. It's obviously more an issue about stability. Nobody thinks weapons would be used just because they're Iranian in itself. But about hypocrisy - maybe you're right; maybe we are sitting here not giving a fuck about government actions on a global scale which could be considered in some way racist. But I'd rather we were inconsistently right than consistently wrong.

Flavs
04-01-2012, 08:10 PM
Are you not from Yorkshire? :unsure:

erm no, are you???

Flavs
04-01-2012, 08:12 PM
FFS Olly.

http://www.abload.de/img/shesafirinherlazeroer5x.gif

:haha:


:lol:

GP
04-01-2012, 08:12 PM
erm no, are you???

The poor sod is from Hull

Syn
04-01-2012, 08:13 PM
Would you be prepared to sanction them for having a different opinion?

As I've mentioned to you before - consequences for actions. Not beliefs. If you think every black person should be killed, you can't get punished for it. But if you take a racist action, you can get punished for it.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 08:14 PM
What you've described about Iran has little to do with racism. It's obviously more an issue about stability. Nobody thinks weapons would be used just because they're Iranian in itself. But about hypocrisy - maybe you're right; maybe we are sitting here not giving a fuck about government actions on a global scale which could be considered in some way racist. But I'd rather we were inconsistently right than consistently wrong.

Let's at least be inconsistently right about the big issues though. Nobody is going to die if we get the trivial stuff wrong. And it's all about racism. The third world is black and brown and there's much more to it than corrupt governments (who we most likely installed anyway). This is the true face of racism but it's acceptable because to do something about it would be hard and would cost us. Whereas tut-tutting over Suarez is easy as fuck and costs us nothing. Personally I think petty racists are thick fucks but provided they don't bother me directly, fuck it, who cares? They're not going to change just because Suarez gets an 8 match ban. Especially when they see their leaders beating the fuck out of every colour under the sun bar white. But they might change if they were educated and given some sort of hope for something better than the scraps of the greedy warmongers' tables. It's all interlinked and we always miss the big stuff so we can fret about the bullshit.

Anyway, GB is Irish - LOL.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 08:15 PM
As I've mentioned to you before - consequences for actions. Not beliefs. If you think every black person should be killed, you can't get punished for it. But if you take a racist action, you can get punished for it.

Beliefs are next on the list. Watch and wait.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 08:28 PM
Let's at least be inconsistently right about the big issues though. Nobody is going to die if we get the trivial stuff wrong. And it's all about racism. The third world is black and brown and there's much more to it than corrupt governments (who we most likely installed anyway). This is the true face of racism but it's acceptable because to do something about it would be hard and would cost us. Whereas tut-tutting over Suarez is easy as fuck and costs us nothing. Personally I think petty racists are thick fucks but provided they don't bother me directly, fuck it, who cares? They're not going to change just because Suarez gets an 8 match ban. Especially when they see their leaders beating the fuck out of every colour under the sun bar white. But they might change if they were educated and given some sort of hope for something better than the scraps of the greedy warmongers' tables. It's all interlinked and we always miss the big stuff so we can fret about the bullshit.

Anyway, GB is Irish - LOL.

Well, I got insulted for being Irish - but I'm really Canadian.

GP
04-01-2012, 08:31 PM
Well, I got insulted for being Irish - but I'm really Canadian.

Too easy.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 08:43 PM
Well, I got insulted for being Irish - but I'm really Canadian.

Wasn't an insult, it was a revolutionary victory.

Syn
04-01-2012, 08:49 PM
You see, to me, I'm likely to be more offended by an insult to my Mom. I won't cry about it, but it will bother me more. I had many intances when working in a Job Centre where the main thrust of an insult against me was to do with being Irish. I couldn't respond and frankly, I couldn't give a shit.

My lines are drawn in different places - and I don't take kindly to people telling me where a line should be drawn.

I can't say I remember being racially insulted but I'm sure other things that aren't out-lawed would annoy me more. But this is why I made the point about 'out of a 100 people...2 or 3 will disagree'. Whether or not you, in particular, agree with it, a racist insult is a big deal for a reason beyond hysteria. Just because it's water off a duck's back for you doesn't mean it is for everyone. In which case - as it often is with human behaviour - laws play to the law of averages.

About where you draw your own line, I don't need to tell you where to draw the line. I'm just telling you that racist abuse is off it and you can get done for it. I didn't decide that because I'm not the FA or the Crown Prosecution (in the case of Terry).

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 08:53 PM
I can't say I remember being racially insulted but I'm sure other things that aren't out-lawed would annoy me more. But this is why I made the point about 'out of a 100 people...2 or 3 will disagree'. Whether or not you, in particular, agree with it, a racist insult is a big deal for a reason beyond hysteria. Just because it's water off a duck's back for you doesn't mean it is for everyone. In which case - as it often is with human behaviour - laws play to the law of averages.

About where you draw your own line, I don't need to tell you where to draw the line. I'm just telling you that racist abuse is off it and you can get done for it. I didn't decide that because I'm not the FA or the Crown Prosecution (in the case of Terry).

I agree with that - most laws are enforced by hypocrites and suffered by cowards.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 09:41 PM
Too easy.

So's my wife.

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 09:48 PM
I can't say I remember being racially insulted but I'm sure other things that aren't out-lawed would annoy me more. But this is why I made the point about 'out of a 100 people...2 or 3 will disagree'. Whether or not you, in particular, agree with it, a racist insult is a big deal for a reason beyond hysteria. Just because it's water off a duck's back for you doesn't mean it is for everyone. In which case - as it often is with human behaviour - laws play to the law of averages.

About where you draw your own line, I don't need to tell you where to draw the line. I'm just telling you that racist abuse is off it and you can get done for it. I didn't decide that because I'm not the FA or the Crown Prosecution (in the case of Terry).

I don't think you should get done for it. I do however think you should be ostracised for it because if you have to resort to that shit either to 'hurt' someone or to reinforce to yourself that you are better than 'them', you are an idiot with a small mind that is definitely inferior. Discriminate against someone in the employment market or whatever - the law has a place and needs to intervene. But petty name calling - on a football pitch where all other sorts of insulting behavior occurs? Come on.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 10:00 PM
So's my wife.

I'm telling!

Syn
04-01-2012, 10:03 PM
I don't think you should get done for it. I do however think you should be ostracised for it because if you have to resort to that shit either to 'hurt' someone or to reinforce to yourself that you are better than 'them', you are an idiot with a small mind that is definitely inferior. Discriminate against someone in the employment market or whatever - the law has a place and needs to intervene. But petty name calling - on a football pitch where all other sorts of insulting behavior occurs? Come on.

I don't think it matters that it's a football pitch. Specifically about this case, I think that it's tricky because the incident is not clear cut to all us viewers. I've read Evra said something like "Don't touch me you're South American" and this along with the fact that Evra is a massive gobby cunt that surely gave as good as he got makes us annoyed that he is seen to be the victim.

Had it been Barton or Karl Henry (ok, bad example) saying something to Theo - not saying you specifically - but I think more would be happy with the ban. But there's the trouble with designing laws - you can't say "If a pussy like Theo is racially abused, give Barton 8 games....if a twat like Evra is, it's fair game".

Xhaka Can’t
04-01-2012, 10:06 PM
I don't think it matters that it's a football pitch. Specifically about this case, I think that it's tricky because the incident is not clear cut to all us viewers. I've read Evra said something like "Don't touch me you're South American" and this along with the fact that Evra is a massive gobby cunt that surely gave as good as he got makes us annoyed that he is seen to be the victim.

Had it been Barton or Karl Henry (ok, bad example) saying something to Theo - not saying you specifically - but I think more would be happy with the ban. But there's the trouble with designing laws - you can't say "If a pussy like Theo is racially abused, give Barton 8 games....if a twat like Evra is, it's fair game".

My point is more about name calling. It is wrong, but bringing the law into it is a gross over-reaction.

Syn
04-01-2012, 10:10 PM
My point is more about name calling. It is wrong, but bringing the law into it is a gross over-reaction.

Ok. I disagree.

Niall_Quinn
04-01-2012, 10:15 PM
How comes we're all big and ugly enough on here to take it? This place is full of comments that some gimp could come along and report and make a big deal of. It's public, anyone can read it. But there's context. If anyone was seriously going to launch into a racist tirade the whole forum would jump on them (and agree). We could have the mods crack down and turn the whole place into a sterile shithole where everyone says happy and nice things all the time. But then the place would be sterile, as in no people. Not saying Suarez and Evra were joking around, but the incident was between them, the crowd couldn't hear any of it, there was no need to create such a fuss over fuck all. And if Evra can't take it he should piss off and join the Lib Dems or something. I don't condone it either, mostly because it doesn't concern me, it's none of my business. Same would apply to Barton, I;ve already said the Terry thing is just as hysterical, even if that negro Walcott was abused I wouldn't care unless Theo started to cry, in which case I;d probably stick up for him by punching somebody in the gob. Problem solved.

Flavs
05-01-2012, 06:17 AM
The poor sod is from Hull

:lol:

codheads :pal:

Coney
05-01-2012, 08:59 AM
:lol:

codheads :pal:

:) I was one of the lucky ones - found the railway station, got the train to London, got a place at Northern Polytechnic on Holloway Road (now Uni of Nth London) got digs in Highbury (Conewood St), went to a football match at my local club just at the end of the street, watched the Arsenal stuff Newcastle 4-0 (6th Oct 1971) and was hooked.

Imagine - I could have worked in a fish & chip shop in Hull watching Hull City but had the fortune to be a computer buff in London watching the Arsenal. Gratitude for my fortune is putting it mildly.

So when people moan that we only got a draw or something, I just think they should look at what we have got compared to most other club's supporters.

LDG
05-01-2012, 09:41 AM
I kinda get what NQ is saying, but there are always other issues here.

On a football pitch, yeah, it's just petty name calling, and is not going to cause people much bother personally. But in an environment where kids are watching their idols, isn't it better that the powers that be (corrupt or not) deal with it with punishment befitting the knob who said it? I'd far rather a cunt on 100k a week was given an 8 match ban, than have nothing happen "because it's not harmed anyone". I'd rather kids watching had some indication that racism is wrong, and isn't tollerated in this country.

The media circus that surrounds it?? Well, we don't really need to dicuss it. We all know it's bullshit, and blatently disregards the message in the first place. It's a witch hunt for the sake of a wicth hunt.

Coney
05-01-2012, 12:18 PM
I kinda get what NQ is saying, but there are always other issues here.

On a football pitch, yeah, it's just petty name calling, and is not going to cause people much bother personally. But in an environment where kids are watching their idols, isn't it better that the powers that be (corrupt or not) deal with it with punishment befitting the knob who said it? I'd far rather a cunt on 100k a week was given an 8 match ban, than have nothing happen "because it's not harmed anyone". I'd rather kids watching had some indication that racism is wrong, and isn't tollerated in this country.

The media circus that surrounds it?? Well, we don't really need to dicuss it. We all know it's bullshit, and blatently disregards the message in the first place. It's a witch hunt for the sake of a wicth hunt.

:gp:

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2012, 12:36 PM
I kinda get what NQ is saying, but there are always other issues here.

On a football pitch, yeah, it's just petty name calling, and is not going to cause people much bother personally. But in an environment where kids are watching their idols, isn't it better that the powers that be (corrupt or not) deal with it with punishment befitting the knob who said it? I'd far rather a cunt on 100k a week was given an 8 match ban, than have nothing happen "because it's not harmed anyone". I'd rather kids watching had some indication that racism is wrong, and isn't tollerated in this country.

The media circus that surrounds it?? Well, we don't really need to dicuss it. We all know it's bullshit, and blatently disregards the message in the first place. It's a witch hunt for the sake of a wicth hunt.

Perhaps leave it to the parents to ensure their kids aren't racist shits and grow up knowing the difference between right and wrong? You're correct though, there's a lot of issues involved here and as far as I see it most of them revolve around public abdication of responsibility. We let government, think (lol) tanks, the most fucked up media we've ever had, the most fucked up judicial system we've ever had, assume responsibility for the issues we should be dealing with ourselves. These fuckers then collaborate to find out the best way to profit from these issues and then they feed us instructions on how we'll think, what we'll say and how we'll behave. The people then nod in agreement because the cunt telling them what to do has a string of establishment letters attached to his name with a media choir singing his praises and nodding wisely that this is the guy or the committee or the quango to set things to right. When we learn to tell these wankers to fuck off then things will improve. But not before.

LDG
05-01-2012, 12:47 PM
Perhaps leave it to the parents to ensure their kids aren't racist shits and grow up knowing the difference between right and wrong? You're correct though, there's a lot of issues involved here and as far as I see it most of them revolve around public abdication of responsibility. We let government, think (lol) tanks, the most fucked up media we've ever had, the most fucked up judicial system we've ever had, assume responsibility for the issues we should be dealing with ourselves. These fuckers then collaborate to find out the best way to profit from these issues and then they feed us instructions on how we'll think, what we'll say and how we'll behave. The people then nod in agreement because the cunt telling them what to do has a string of establishment letters attached to his name with a media choir singing his praises and nodding wisely that this is the guy or the committee or the quango to set things to right. When we learn to tell these wankers to fuck off then things will improve. But not before.

Well of course. The public in general don't think for themselves. I find it sickening, tbh. But there are lots of good parents out there who take on the responsibility themselves.

Whether individuals themselves shun the responsibility to learn their own morals, or not, doesn't mean that the overpaid twats who are too ignorant to keep their traps shut (both Suarez and Terry) shouldn't be punished, as you may punish your own kids for being little cunts.

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2012, 12:54 PM
Well of course. The public in general don't think for themselves. I find it sickening, tbh. But there are lots of good parents out there who take on the responsibility themselves.

Whether individuals themselves shun the responsibility to learn their own morals, or not, doesn't mean that the overpaid twats who are too ignorant to keep their traps shut (both Suarez and Terry) shouldn't be punished, as you may punish your own kids for being little cunts.

Don't forget, Nanny is moving into the child care business too. You think back to when you were a kid and compare it to today. The fucking state is everywhere, telling you how it is going to be. And there's a whole stream of busybodies lined up to tell you how to raise your kids. As I said, there's so much shit in our society now it seems incredible so much energy would be expended on such a trivial incident as somebody falling out with that twat Evra - I mean that's BOUND to happen, right? The guys a cunt, people are going to get pissed with him. What's the big deal? Great if we have time to deal with such trivia provided we are taking care of the big stuff, but we aren't, we let that slide without a mention. And the more of this shit we allow ourselves to be dragged into the more important it will SEEM and the less chance there will ever be of doing something constructive as the real issues get buried. Anyway, we can't do anything about this shit. It's on rails, we've let it slide too far.

Coney
05-01-2012, 01:09 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16423278


''White people love playing 'divide & rule'".

Black racists. :sulk:

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2012, 01:17 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16423278



Black racists. :sulk:

Good posting.

Here's what a cunt thinks about it:


But Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi told BBC Radio 5live her comments were "intolerable". "This is racism," he said. "For a shadow minister to hold these sort of views is intolerable, it is wrong, she needs to go."

"Intolerable" - in a supposedly tolerant society, you'll notice. What a tool.


However another Conservative MP, Robert Halfon disagreed. He tweeted: "The right should know better than to get all PC re @HackneyAbbott - disagree strongly, but let voters decide. Freedom of speech & all that."

Correct, because it allows everyone to speak and agree or disagree.

Even cunt face shit bag puke gets it a little right.


Deputy Minister Nick Clegg said Ms Abbott's comments on twitter were a "stupid and crass generalisation" and that she should apologise and explain her remarks.

Marc Overmars
05-01-2012, 01:56 PM
There's a video on The Sun website of Evra saying the N word. :lol:

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2012, 02:13 PM
Here's the perfect way to treat the establishment and it's fucked up agenda. Have a laugh at how ridiculous it all is. Not related to racism but to the other great PC taboo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un__imwE3vg

Ollie the Optimist
05-01-2012, 02:30 PM
there is a video on the sun website of evra, filmed in 2004 when at monaco by french tv, swearing and saying nigger while talking about hasslebank.

cant wait for kenny to see this, it going to go mental http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4040822/Patrice-Evra-in-N-word-video-outburst.html

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2012, 02:33 PM
there is a video on the sun website of evra, filmed in 2004 when at monaco by french tv, swearing and saying nigger while talking about hasslebank.

cant wait for kenny to see this, it going to go mental http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4040822/Patrice-Evra-in-N-word-video-outburst.html

Evra is and always has been a piece of shit, an embarrassment to the human species regardless of colour. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. I might piss on him if he wasn't on fire though.

Ollie the Optimist
05-01-2012, 02:37 PM
Evra is and always has been a piece of shit, an embarrassment to the human species regardless of colour. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. I might piss on him if he wasn't on fire though.

well yeah i agree with all of that. but still, if kenny sees this then liverpool will just get angrier and it will be funny to watch for the rest of us

Shaqiri Is Boss
05-01-2012, 03:20 PM
We'd have every right to, tbf.

So long as he writes it down in the form of fachts.

GP
05-01-2012, 03:36 PM
There's a video on The Sun website of Evra saying the N word. :lol:

He's allowed to, being a Negrito.

Olivier's xmas twist
05-01-2012, 06:38 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16423278



Black racists. :sulk:

TBF she is not that type of racist

Ollie the Optimist
05-01-2012, 11:08 PM
apparently darren bent to liverpool is a done deal for 27 million

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2012, 11:12 PM
apparently darren bent to liverpool is a done deal for 27 million

Are Liverpool the next Leeds? Where do they get the money?

Coney
05-01-2012, 11:14 PM
Are Liverpool the next Leeds? Where do they get the money?

They sold a lot of wheels they had saved up.

Coney
05-01-2012, 11:16 PM
TBF she is not that type of racist

:lol:

Imagine a whitey making the same remark about blacks - they'd have had to resign as well as merely apoligise and do the 'taken out of context', didn't actually mean that, and other such crap. Abbott was caught making a casual racist remark of the kind she would have jumped on big time if the position was reversed.

Never liked her anyway - patronising cow.

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2012, 11:16 PM
They sold a lot of wheels they had saved up.

Bent will be a bit annoying at Pool. He scores wherever he goes. Another ridiculous price though. How old is he now, 50?

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2012, 11:17 PM
:lol:

Imagine a whitey making the same remark about blacks - they'd have had to resign as well as merely apoligise and do the 'taken out of context', didn't actually mean that, and other such crap. Abbott was caught making a casual racist remark of the kind she would have jumped on big time if the position was reversed.

Never liked her anyway - patronising cow.

She's also ugly and fat and sacrifices live chickens.

Coney
05-01-2012, 11:23 PM
She's also ugly and fat and sacrifices live chickens.

I didn't know about the chickens but I can see she is the type. :good:

Niall_Quinn
05-01-2012, 11:26 PM
I didn't know about the chickens but I can see she is the type. :good:

I always check the label on chickens in the supermarket to make sure it doesn't say "sacrificed by Diane Abbott", suggest you do the same.

Shaqiri Is Boss
06-01-2012, 10:56 AM
apparently darren bent to liverpool is a done deal for 27 million

:faint:

I can see it being all but done, but not for that amount, surely. Even with our negotiating skills.

Flavs
06-01-2012, 11:22 AM
:faint:

I can see it being all but done, but not for that amount, surely. Even with our negotiating skills.

Yopu should swap him for Andy Carroll cos he is a bit shit innit lolz jk

Kano
06-01-2012, 01:39 PM
:faint:

I can see it being all but done, but not for that amount, surely. Even with our negotiating skills.

how would he fit in with suarez and gerrard in the team?

Coney
06-01-2012, 01:53 PM
how would he fit in with suarez and gerrard in the team?

Well enough - only one of them is a racist.

Flavs
06-01-2012, 02:07 PM
Well enough - only one of them is a racist.

As long as he doesnt turn the Phil Collins off

GP
06-01-2012, 03:09 PM
As long as he doesnt turn the Phil Collins off

So his choice is either listen to Phil Collins or get punched in the face?

Hmm...

Coney
06-01-2012, 03:43 PM
You should swap him for Andy Carroll cos he is a bit shit innit lolz jk

Wrong. Take out the words 'a bit' and that will correct it.

-Xs-
06-01-2012, 08:45 PM
We'd have every right to, tbf.

So long as he writes it down in the form of fachts.

What's Steve McClaren doing here?

Master Splinter
06-01-2012, 09:22 PM
Disgusting how Phil Collins is treated on here.

















It should be worse.

Marc Overmars
07-01-2012, 10:19 PM
A fan has been arrested on suspicion of racially abusing the Oldham player.

This guy must be incredibly thick to aggravate a delicate siutation even more for his club.

Cripps_orig
07-01-2012, 10:50 PM
A fan has been arrested on suspicion of racially abusing the Oldham player.

This guy must be incredibly thick to aggravate a delicate siutation even more for his club.Wonder when Olly :bow: will mock up a picture of Liverpool players wearing a t shirt of this fan in support of this fan.

Tbh knowing Liverpool, pictures wouldnt need ocking up. No doubt t shirts are being printed as we speak

Niall_Quinn
08-01-2012, 12:23 AM
Wonder when Olly :bow: will mock up a picture of Liverpool players wearing a t shirt of this fan in support of this fan.

Tbh knowing Liverpool, pictures wouldnt need ocking up. No doubt t shirts are being printed as we speak

Just proves the point, for all it's ludicrous posturing the FA changes nothing in the real world.

McNamara That Ghost...
08-01-2012, 01:00 PM
Apparently Downing has been arrested on suspicion of assault at a pub on Yarm High Street.

:haha:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=285022.0

McNamara That Ghost...
08-01-2012, 03:39 PM
Hit his ex allegedly. What a club. :bow:

GP
08-01-2012, 04:21 PM
He'd never hit a woman, his mum is one.

Syn
08-01-2012, 04:27 PM
He'd never hit a woman, his mum is one.

:haha:

Rors
08-01-2012, 06:15 PM
This looks a bit silly - well, sillier - now:

https://p.twimg.com/Aip6QURCQAE-Dvg.jpg

Cripps_orig
08-01-2012, 10:15 PM
Apparently Downing has been arrested on suspicion of assault at a pub on Yarm High Street.

:haha:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=285022.0Did she go over the bar?

McNamara That Ghost...
09-01-2012, 05:26 PM
Speaking of which, this might not be a recent picture but lest we forget what a GHEL Carroll is:

http://p.twimg.com/AiqoWWiCEAAvTVJ.jpg

:bow:

Marc Overmars
09-01-2012, 05:39 PM
No way is that kid 18.

Booze Britain. :bow:

McNamara That Ghost...
11-01-2012, 01:33 PM
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac355/Joelee22/liverpool.jpg

:lol:

Believable, too.

Syn
11-01-2012, 01:36 PM
:lol: Very good.

Dennis Bendtner
21-01-2012, 03:22 PM
Liverpool are in pole position to sign Nikica Jelavic as English interest in the Croatia striker intensifies, BBC Scotland understands.

Premier League rivals Fulham and Championship outfit West Ham have been in contact about the 26-year-old.

Responding to interest from West Ham, Rangers boss Ally McCoist said: "They've not made an official bid.

"The reported amount would not be enough to meet the demands of the owner - £6m is not nearly enough."

Rangers rejected a £6.5m offer from Leicester City for Jelavic in the summer and claimed they also rebuffed a £9m approach from an unnamed club shortly before the closure of the transfer window.

The player himself later revealed that he had turned down overtures from Turkish outfit Fenerbahce but admitted ambitions to play in England's top flight.

He has recently been linked with Liverpool and QPR before it emerged that informal talks had been held with Sam Allardyce's West Ham.

McCoist, though, insisted that no bids - from West Ham or any other club - had been tabled since the January window opened, despite much speculation about the striker's future.

"I know Sam very well and I think, if there was a real interest, he and I would have spoken, but there has been no official bid made and I certainly haven't spoken to anyone about it," he said.

Jelavic began his career with Hajduk Split before moving on to Zulte Waregem then Rapid Vienna.

He joined Rangers for £4m in August 2010, when he signed a four-year contract, and is the Scottish champions' top scorer this season with 17 goals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16659157.stm

Carroll :haha:

Scotland :haha:

McNamara That Ghost...
22-01-2012, 10:07 AM
Olly is ridiculous:

A year in the life of RAWK:
http://www.abload.de/img/kkkultv1k20.gif

GP
22-01-2012, 10:08 AM
The leader! :bow:

Marc Overmars
22-01-2012, 10:12 AM
Love that episode. :lol:

Shaqiri Is Boss
22-01-2012, 12:20 PM
:lol:

That is pretty impressive.

And sadly accurate.

Olivier's xmas twist
26-01-2012, 11:18 PM
Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre insists the club have money to spend in the transfer window, but that they are happy with their current squad.

The Reds have been linked with a number of names during this month's transfer window with Kenny Dalglish thought to be in the market for striking reinforcements to help solve the club's goalscoring problems.

Ayre is adamant the club's American owners are prepared to back Dalglish in the transfer market, but insists they will not rush into any signings.

"Money is not an issue," Ayre told Sky Sports News. "If we need somebody and there's a player I think our owners have shown the level of commitment you would expect from a good ownership group that the manager will get supported whatever he needs.

"But that's not the same as saying we will just go spend money because we have got it or just because we can.
Long-term plan

"It is about the long-term plan of where they want the squad and where they want the team to be, that's not about any particular transfer window it's about continuing to improve.

"If an opportunity presents itself I am sure we will look at it, but right now it's about keeping going and improving and getting the best out of what we have got.

"We have got some great players in a great squad of players and they are focused on pushing that forward."


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7457972/Ayre-Reds-have-money-to-spend

Do all these memebers of baords from the top clubs have one book they they read from then spout the same shite.