Euro 2012 Seedings. Draw on 2nd December. 17:37

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://i40.tinypic.com/211tr3m.png

There should be at least two Groups of Death.

:popcorn:

[Coney]

Hope England end up with crap teams like Ireland in our group.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Germany in the Quarter-Finals. I can sense it.

[Syn]

It's a bit stupid putting the host countries in the first pot. Thought we'd out-grow that by now.

[Cripps_orig]

Best case scenario

Poland
England
Greece
Ireland

Pick up 3 wins, have Rooney back in the team for the quarters refreshed and we go on to win the whole thing

Worst case

Netherlands
England
Portugal
France

3 defeats, might get a point but England become the Arsenal of International football.

Group the world wants to see

Spain
Germany
Portugal
France

[Cripps_orig]

It's a bit stupid putting the host countries in the first pot. Thought we'd out-grow that by now.


Co-hosts Poland and Ukraine are given top seeding to try to prolong home interest in the tournament next summer.

Fair enough although it didnt really help the Swiss or Austria in 2008 and the tournament was still brilliant

[Marc Overmars]

Do they think the top seeds are likelier to get an easy group? This competition is arguably harder to win than the World Cup. So Poland and Ukraine will still probably end up in a group with a similar difficultly level if they had been in their natural pots.

[Letters]

Spain
Italy
Greece
Ireland.

Group of debt.

[Coney]

Fair enough although it didnt really help the Swiss or Austria in 2008 and the tournament was still brilliant

Worked for us in '66. :)

[Niall_Quinn]

Spain
Italy
Greece
Ireland.

Group of debt.

Give them a little credit, will you?

[Niall_Quinn]

Fair enough although it didnt really help the Swiss or Austria in 2008 and the tournament was still brilliant

The definition of "brilliant" being, watching non-drying paint dry over a period of 2 weeks, in this case.

[Cripps_orig]

The definition of "brilliant" being, watching non-drying paint dry over a period of 2 weeks, in this case.

:blink:

The tournament was arguably one of the best ever :doh:

[Letters]

Give them a little credit, will you?

Maybe one of them can play Gareth Bale(out)

[Letters]

:blink:

The tournament was arguably one of the best ever :doh:

Your face is arguably one of the worst ever

[Niall_Quinn]

:blink:

The tournament was arguably one of the best ever :doh:

What was so great about it?

Just look at the teams going into this year's borenament. You have Spain and Germany and then what? Nothing. The standard is going to be lower than the English Championship. And every other team will just try to shut the two decent teams down. Get ready for one long bore, as usual.

[Cripps_orig]

:rolleyes:

Goals, great football, excitement amongst other things.

Spain and Germany and then nothing? :lol:

No point continuing this with someone who clearly watches no football outside of Arsenal which is fair enough

[Marc Overmars]

Yeah, Euro 2008 was awesome.

Turkey. :bow:

[Syn]

Everyone's second favourites are going to do it this time. A rvp led Netherlands will win.

[Master Splinter]

NQ using Spain as a barometer of excitement?

They're probably more boring than England.

NQ :rose:.

We could have done with the Turks though. Their matches are always mental.

[Marc Overmars]

NQ probably got mixed up with the World Cup last year. Now that was a shocker.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, the last World Cup was bad even by international standards. I'm not measuring entertainment (or excitement) by the Spanish team, I'm just saying they, along with the Germans, are the only two who are capable of playing the game to any decent standard. Then there's a gap to the Dutch and then a couple of light years to the garbage piled on to make up the numbers. Three or four players here or there could provide the odd moment that makes not being in a coma worthwhile, but is it really worth all the waste of time and money. Plus our players could get injured so from an Arsenal fan's point of view, what exactly is the point of this ridiculous tournament? Okay, it generates cash for a bunch of greedy cunts who already have a lot of cash. Other than the obvious though. What's the point?

[Master Splinter]

What's the point of anything?

You being on GW is generating money for Letters vBulletin I presume?

[Niall_Quinn]

What's the point of anything?

You being on GW is generating money for Letters vBulletin I presume?

Could you please let me ruin this for everyone without you butting in all the time?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

No, the last World Cup was bad even by international standards. I'm not measuring entertainment (or excitement) by the Spanish team, I'm just saying they, along with the Germans, are the only two who are capable of playing the game to any decent standard. Then there's a gap to the Dutch and then a couple of light years to the garbage piled on to make up the numbers. Three or four players here or there could provide the odd moment that makes not being in a coma worthwhile, but is it really worth all the waste of time and money. Plus our players could get injured so from an Arsenal fan's point of view, what exactly is the point of this ridiculous tournament? Okay, it generates cash for a bunch of greedy cunts who already have a lot of cash. Other than the obvious though. What's the point?

It'll be good. The Euros generally are really. Anyway, if it's only the Netherlands, Germany and Spain that can play to any decent standard (which isn't true) but anyway that could mean a minimum of nine games for you to enjoy, can't be bad for a couple of weeks. Then you can just bide your time until Arsenal are in pre-season again.

[IBK]

Could you please let me ruin this for everyone without you butting in all the time?

:lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It's today. :popcorn:

SSN's programme starts at 17:00.

BBC's programme starts on BBC2 and online at 16:45.

Also, now we know all the teams. Sweepstakes time?

[Marc Overmars]

:popcorn:

[Flavs]

France :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Koscielny. :bow:

[Rors]

Sweepstake time indeed!

--

Not long now until we get the Polish and Ukrainian equivalents of David Copperfield doing their 'stuff' "Look, the trophy disappear!"

[Rors]

Here we go then (well, the programme anyway), as I'm going with BBC - for some reason.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ceremonies. :bow:

BBC's programme is on now

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Lawro and Keown are in the studio.

[Rors]

"Potugal" :doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The draw is actually scheduled for 17:37 apparently. :lol:

[Rors]

Very clever BBC, very clever. Position Lawro as the Republic Of Ireland 'representative' so he can put over England from an 'independent' perspective. Classy!

[Rors]

"Painful memories of that[Eng- Ire Italia 90]" - Right on Pearcy

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Lawro isn't doing much for the ratings. :doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Lawro. :doh:

Misunderstanding what Keown was getting at. Plus, Messi could've chosen to play for Spain

Also, a cover of Orange Crush?! :wacko:

[Rors]

Editors' destruction of 'Orange Crush'?!! No need!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Portugal are a one man team. Good research Lawro.

[Rors]

One man you've heard of maybe Lawro. Idiot..

We're going to get that "respect" advert in a minute aren't we?... :rolleyes:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www.insanerantings.com/mbimages/sun_easy_worldcup.jpg

:haha:

[Rors]

My headline prediction the night before came true that time... :scarf:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What's a football competition draw without some Cossack dancing?

[Rors]

Poor old Pearce-y.....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

England got Poland, Sweden and France in the rehearsal draw.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

William Shatner is there, I think.

[Rors]

William Shatner is there, I think.

"I was chewing gum yesterday...."

[Rors]

Another 'official' tournament song called 'Goal'. That makes it about 649385 at the last count then...

[Rors]

It hasn't done anything to Henry's much-vaunted wit. Unfortunately...

henrywinter Henry Winter
This has turned into Eurovision....nul points

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It hasn't done anything to Henry's much-vaunted wit. Unfortunately...

henrywinter Henry Winter
This has turned into Eurovision....nul points

That could be a poorly conceived joke by the end of June.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I hope Ponedelnik has more clue of what is going on than Bobby Charlton at the Champions League draw.

Luis Suarez isn't looking so good.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Paul Breitner. :bow:

[Rors]

Paul Breitner. :bow:

And no mention of him being a Marxist this time.. :faint:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

MVB. :bow:

Cut another promo of how RVP should stay.

[Syn]

Paul Breitner. :bow:

Do you know of an ETA until the draw takes place? 5:30? 6?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Do you know of an ETA until the draw takes place? 5:30? 6?

17:37, apparently.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Does she have the answers on the card already? :lol:

[Rors]

I think you'll find she does..in any language.

My question now would be "Could you really only get Capdevilla?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ah we can't be done without the official match ball.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Sergey Bubka. :bow:

[Rors]

"I like football" :haha:

[Rors]

The draw described as a "formality"

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think we might be getting close to the draw. :faint:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ah UEFA have overrun. Shocking.

[Rors]

That video made a very simple draw seem like splitting the atom. Blindfold. With a herring.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Here we go. :popcorn:

[Syn]

17:37, apparently.

Thanks!

Awesome. Hope we get Spain in our group./

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Group A
Poland
Group B
Netherlands
Group C
Spain
Group D
Ukraine

[Rors]

"That's pretty logical huh? - MVB understandably rattled already...

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Pot 4 up now.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Czech Republic are with Poland.

[Syn]

I guess I should've tuned in for when they were explaining the draw. I can't follow it at all!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Denmark are with the Netherlands. Tasty.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Netherlands vs Denmark will be first game in that group.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ireland get Spain. :doh:

[Rors]

:rose:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

France are with Ukraine.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Group A
Poland
Czech Republic.
Group B
Netherlands
Denmark
Group C
Spain
Rep. of Ireland
Group D
Ukraine
France

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Pot 3 up.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Poland Greece and Czech Republic together. Good draw for Poland.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Poland vs Greece is the opening game of the tournament. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Netherlands, Denmark and Portugal. :blink:

[Rors]

Group B looking very tasty

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Spain, Croatia and Rep. of Ireland.

[Marc Overmars]

Hopefully we're with Spain and Ireland!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Group A
Poland
Greece
Czech Republic.
Group B
Netherlands
Denmark
Portugal
Group C
Spain
Rep. of Ireland
Croatia
Group D
Ukraine
Sweden
France

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Pot 2 now. :popcorn:

[Syn]

The group of life.

[Rors]

Russia liked that one

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Poland, Greece, Russia and Czech Republic.

[Marc Overmars]

Group A is a bit of a shocker.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Portugal!!

[Marc Overmars]

Group B. :rose:

[Rors]

Group B hurts just to look at it

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Spain, Italy, Rep. of Ireland, Croatia.

[Marc Overmars]

Ah shit, I wanted Group C.

[Syn]

Yes, we'll take that. Guess we don't have a choice anyway.

We can get through this group.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

So England are with Ukraine, Sweden and France.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Group A
Poland
Greece
Russia
Czech Republic.
Group B
Netherlands
Denmark
Germany
Portugal
Group C
Spain
Italy
Rep. of Ireland
Croatia
Group D
Ukraine
Sweden
France
Engand.

England get France first up.

[Rors]

Spain 5 - England 0 in the Quarter Final...

[Olivier's xmas twist]

So England are with Ukraine, Sweden and France.

England as usual get the easy group.

[Marc Overmars]

Decent group for England I reckon.

Although I reckon every game will be fairly tight.

[Coney]

England as usual get the easy group.

I'll take it. Mind you, it is so easy we are bound to fuck it up.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'll take it. Mind you, it is so easy we are bound to fuck it up.
very true, is winnable, but the harder then the world cup group.


Decent group for England I reckon.

Although I reckon every game will be fairly tight.

Reckon france will beat us but we will win the other 2 but with england you never say never

[Rors]

England chose their base in Poland didn't they?... LOLZ

[Marc Overmars]

Group A :haha:

Group B :faint:

Group C :popcorn:

Group D :good:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

England chose their base in Poland didn't they?... LOLZ

Lawro said Portugal. :lol:

[Marc Overmars]

Dennis Bendtner. :haha:

[Rors]

Lawro said Portugal. :lol:

Time to put him out to pasture..

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And again, Group A. Group A!! :haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I can't wait for Poland vs Greece. :scarf:

Although, I shouldn't mock too hard as I'll probably get Greece in a sweepstakes.

[LDG]

Decent group for England. Rooney to get a hat trick against France tbf.Oh wait....

[Rors]

reland's best hope is Spain don't do what they did against Switzerland in 2010 -and just win all their games this time out..They COULD sneak 2nd..

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Just watching SSN. Brian Kerr is pretty knowledgable tbf.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Decent group for England. Rooney to get a hat trick against France tbf.Oh wait....

Even if he could play, France have Koscielny now. :scarf:

[Rors]

Ireland - Croatia on my 30th birthday. Very nice..

[LDG]

Even if he could play, France have Koscielny now. :scarf:

Indeed. Come on England though.

And come on football.

[Özim]

Groups A and D are rubbish, feel sorry for the teams in the other two groups as they are significantly harder.

England get an easy group again, what a surprise.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Decent group for England. Rooney to get a hat trick against France tbf.Oh wait....

:lol:

We should beat france without him tbh, their pretty dire these days.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

England get an easy group again, what a surprise.

Fifa had to make up for the World cup bid somehow tbh

[Syn]

Indeed. Come on England though.

And come on football.

:gp:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:lol:

We should beat france without him tbh, their pretty dire these days.

France have a proper coach now, they aren't dire anymore. Anyway, a couple of posts above you said you think France will beat England.

[Syn]

Even if he could play, France have Koscielny now. :scarf:

Really hope he gets in the team. Apparently Diaby - even though he hardly features for us, in a poll conducted by L'Equipe (?) was one of the public's first choices for the French team. For whatever reason, he's considered to be one of the first names in the team sheet. It seems the French (including Wenger) see something that we just don't.

[Syn]

Also - Sagna to get into the team?

So England: Wilshere, Walcott...France: Sagna, Diaby, Koscielny

2 < 3

Come on France.

[Rors]

After Lawro's lowest-common-demoninator drivel, good to hear somebody with a real knowledge of the European game here.Stand up Mr Brian Kerr

[Olivier's xmas twist]

France have a proper coach now, they aren't dire anymore. Anyway, a couple of posts above you said you think France will beat England.

I know i said they'd beat us, then i rememberd there not as good as once was.

[Cripps_orig]

Just seen the draw.

Recorded it on SSN. Didnt realise it was also on BBC or id have recorded that.

SSN didnt even go to the draw and just told us what the draw was as it happened :doh:

Anyway as for the draw, Ireland :wave:

Germany v Holland is the final.

England should get through but will flop v Spain or Italy.

Group A is the shittest group in history.

Portugal will go out in the group stages unfortunately but hoping Ronaldo has a great tournament

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Really hope he gets in the team. Apparently Diaby - even though he hardly features for us, in a poll conducted by L'Equipe (?) was one of the public's first choices for the French team. For whatever reason, he's considered to be one of the first names in the team sheet. It seems the French (including Wenger) see something that we just don't.

TBF he is class for france when ever i have seen him play for them.

[Marc Overmars]

Really hope he gets in the team. Apparently Diaby - even though he hardly features for us, in a poll conducted by L'Equipe (?) was one of the public's first choices for the French team. For whatever reason, he's considered to be one of the first names in the team sheet. It seems the French (including Wenger) see something that we just don't.

Oh we see it alright.

He's a pretty good footballer, strong, good pace, big stride, great close control etc.

He has all the tools.

The only problems are he's made of toast, and most importantly, he's thick as shit.

[Rors]

After good punditry for a bit, over to Fivelive to hurl us down a cliff with your boy Grovesy. His attempts this time two years ago were pathetic. When team names were read out, any players aside from the blindingly obvious who didn't ply their trade over here had no chance of getting a namecheck..

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He is Arsenal TV's finest. And I mean that.

[Master Splinter]

Dennis Bendtner :haha:.

Ronaldo :haha:.

Come on RVP and Mertesacker :bow:.

[Marc Overmars]

Arsenal TV. :haha:

Shovell. :haha:

Thank fuck they got rid of the channel.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It was truly awful. I suspect the radio version of it is now too.

Also, watching the 5live broadcast, I notice Colin Murray has a bottle of wine and a glass next to him. :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

I like Ireland's draw. Every game will be against an excellent team and I think that they have a better chance getting out of a group against the better teams. Mind you, it still isn't much of a chance.

[Mr. Lahey]

I know i said they'd beat us, then i rememberd there not as good as once was.

too bad they've just beaten England rather recently. Breezed through the match despite giving up a goal. England will be in tough without Rooney.

France are a different looking side under Blanc. Hes brought in a number of young up and comers. He says the target is the next WC however they still believe that they are good enough to win this Euro.

[Master Splinter]

France finally have a midfield again.

They need to keep Lloris away from the team though. He will cost them.

Even Koscielny and Sagna can't repel his awfulness.

[Niall_Quinn]

So England are with Ukraine, Sweden and France.

No chance, maximum of 2 points from those 3 games.

[Cripps_orig]

Can still go through with 2 points :dance:

[Coney]

Can still go through with 2 points :dance:

Bizarre, but true.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Bizarre, but true.

So's your face.

[Coney]

So's your face.

And my rack.

[Marc Overmars]

Apparently the training facilities England will use next summer belong to a Polish 4th division club. :wacko:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

They'll play like that too.

[Marc Overmars]

Harsh on the 4th division club tbh.

[Coney]

:lol:

[Jimmy Valmer]

Harsh on the 4th division club tbh.

Too true.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Rooney's ban has been reduced to two games. :rolleyes:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Rooney's ban has been reduced to two games. :rolleyes:

Judging by how bad he's been recently cappello was hoping for longer