Dude! The election is over. Why are you still trying to spin and snowjob anyone who is off message?
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I voted for Brexit, but Trump totally lost me when he said all of that crap about women on tape. I didn't like either candidate. And the racist crap that he spouted.
Actually i think both sides are just as bad, on one hand there is a tendency to patronise, belittle or act contemptuously of these people. On the other hand there is an attempt to manipulate genuine disaffection and anger by offering simplistic solutions.
But ultimately you are going to be more inclined to listen to the person who isn't dismissive of you.
I brought it up to say that people are mistakenly attributing it to Racism (and i clarified that didn't mean you) but at the same time there won't be the moral outrage if someone says we are going to do x and y to z, they are just going to think if it works, it works.....they just want their lives to be better.
If you have stomach pains and go to see two different doctors, one tells you painful exploratory surgery will be needed and there is no guarantee of finding the answer at the end of it, and the other just gives you a bottle of pills and says you will be fine in a week if you just one before you go to bed at night.....despite your misgivings who would you prefer to be right?.
I think most people fear that if career politicians can be corrupted, how far can someone like Trump, whose already corrupt, can take this thing.
I think you're way to caught up in this because you're already assuming my criticism of Trump is a defence of Hilary. You did it in a previous post....
I call bullshit on the above. People didn't search their souls and find it too disturbing to vote for Hilary but ok to vote for Trump. I'd be surprised if someone that usually votes democratic swung to the opposite end to vote for Trump based on those grounds.Quote:
This is a Trump vs Clinton thing for you. Fine. But it's not like that for me. Just the same as the clowns staging Remain vs Brexit were irrelevant. So I think it's safe enough to count me out of the delusional camp. The only important thing that happened in this election was a bang to rights criminal who traded her office and state secrets was placed in front of the people who were then asked to endorse her. If she had won then there would be no hope whatsoever.
Again, none of what you are saying makes any sense. You are worried about what Trump MIGHT do but seem unconcerned at what Clinton actually has done. There's at least a possibility Trump won't do any of the things you fear whereas there is zero chance with Clinton as she's already done most of them. And thank fuck she's been stopped because the next step seemed to be certain conflict with Russia. I mean did you listen to these crazy fucks during the election? Pure McCarthyism, embarrassing stuff.
I've been caught up in the US election cycle since 1990 and flipping the narrative in the way you are doing is not subtle. In an either/ or situation if Trump doesn't win then the other one wins. So if you are anyone bar Trump, and it sure sounds that way, then by default you are pro-Clinton, at least to the extent you would be okay seeing her take the presidency and welcome her gang into the Whitehouse. I already said yesterday, all yes, I want Trump to win. But you are coy. You want Trump to lose and what? Nobody to win? That wasn't on the menu.
Call bullshit all you want. The Bush/ Clinton era is surely over now (although never say never). I never once said people searched their souls, I said I (personally) find it encouraging that the majority of Americans didn't endorse this super criminal. I said if that had happened there would be little hope for any sort of change, ever. If you run such a fatally flawed and overtly criminal candidate like that and enough people say yes, fine then you are in deep, deep shit. That was averted last night and that's definitely a good thing. Doesn't mean anything has been solved, it just means plenty of very serious shit stands a far better chance of being averted.
Corbyn next HCZ. What do you say to that?