Jack's control in the box and precision pass for the 6th was the only moment that could be classed as entertaining. Otherwise a walk in the park. You have to be a masochistdiehard fan to stick with this.
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Jack's control in the box and precision pass for the 6th was the only moment that could be classed as entertaining. Otherwise a walk in the park. You have to be a masochistdiehard fan to stick with this.
You've got an iphone :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
FT 6-0
Yawn.
Why are Bate in an "elite" competition? It's a bit silly in truth.
You'll need to host them somewhere first, like ImgurQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Arsenal Master BATE
:dance:
Didn't see much of the game but still not convinced Jack will offer us any less than Xhaka other than a decent fitness record and a few inches.....
Had no idea we were playing tonight. :lol:
Always nice to rack up the goals.
Jack offers us the forward pass. A rare commodity indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
They really knuckled down, had them in the palm of our hand etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Lyon, Celtic or Dortmund please. :popcorn:Quote:
Spartak Moscow
Napoli
Celtic
Borussia Dortmund
FC Astana
Partizan Belgrade
Ludogorets
AEK Athens
Lyon
FC Copenhagen
Steaua
Marseille
Ostersunds
Nice
Real Sociedad
Half empty stadium:lol:
Christ our dramatic fall from grace is complete :(
Shame to see really. After all the promises and hope following the stadium move to now be playing in a second tier competition in front of half capacity :(
Be careful what you wish for :(
Why do you watch Arsenal games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
You seem to derive no pleasure from it whatever the performance or result.
Dead game, dead competition, dead opposition. Any club would see a hit on attendance tbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
Back in the day we'd get 60k for carling cup games with the youth team out.
Or we'd qualify with a game to spare and still see 60k turn up.
:lol: i know right, what he should do is watch MK Dons insteadQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
How have you managed to detect anti-Wenger material in that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It was a simple question.
I stopped watching because of apathy.
You keep watching but don't seem to get any pleasure from it no matter what the result or performance.
Just curious why you persist in doing that when you seem to hate it so much.
If you were going to games and using that as a platform for protest then it would make some sense to me.
But going out of your way to find streams for games which you clearly don't enjoy seems perverse.
Isn't it ironic:lol:
All those years Letters was deriding us for our stance on Wenger and our position on the direction of the club, and now he's the one advocating stopping watching matches altogether:lol:
He embodies the passive, derogatory, middle class fan base we have. He completely symbolises it. It's because of people like him we're in the position we find ourselves in. The 'pay up and stay quiet' mentality that has led to this shower of shite we are witnessing. I hate him as much as Wenger.
And now instead of showing anger towards the manager for putting us in this position he still directs it towards our fans :lol: Tells them to stop watching :lol:
Hopefully when Wenger finally pisses off he takes the likes of Letters with him. He can sip his skinny latte somewhere else. Preferably on the street with a 'any spare change please' sign.
Yeah. Except I didn't do any of that, did I?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
And I have never advocated not watching games*
All I'm doing is asking why NQ keeps doing something he seems to hate. Just seems a bit odd.
*What I have advocated is people stop giving Arsenal their money which is the only language I think the board understand and thus the only way of affecting change. In which case watching via streams is the right thing to do if you want to keep watching games.
I don't know if you are just WUMming and deliberately misrepresenting my views to paint me as some pantomime villain you can boo and hiss at. If you want some serious debate then please try responding to what I'm actually saying, not what you are pretending I'm saying.
Oh be quiet Letters. You know exactly what you are; a condescending, patronising, arrogant poster. We know exactly what you mean by posts like ‘why do you still watch us then’. You might not spell it out but don’t try and cover it up with nonsensical BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Have you got no shame? Can you not see the absolute irony in the fact you derided us for years for speaking the truth and now you’re the one passively suggesting we should stop watching games?
I see a few times you’ve proudly posted that you’ve given up your ST and won’t buy any more tickets or merchandise, as if it’s a show of defiance :lol: Do me a favour :lol: Do you think they actually give a crap now you moron? People like you funded them for years and stayed silent and accepted the crap they were saying, and you think now you’ve actually done something meaningful by packing in your season ticket?! :lol:
I remember you once said you used to go to games with your dad as it was the only bit of father-son time you had with him. Does it not irritate you one bit or make you even a little bit angry that Wenger is pretty much the reason that doesn’t happen anymore? That he’s got in the way? Or is NQ and Zim calling him an awful manager the only thing that riles you? :lol:
Go on Letters show a bit of passion for once. It’s okay to be angry towards him. I know it’s difficult because for years you’ve done nothing but defend him and establish yourself as the self-proclaimed extreme anti-Wenger police, but you can just hold your hands up and admit you were wrong. People would respect you so much more.
Bringing in a poster's family member to make a point seems a bit much to me, whether you 'hate' them or not.
Maccy, lay off.
I know you're itching to ban me but now isn't the time.
That's twice now you've butted your nose in to a trivial point of mine, despite the fact there's been far far worse said on this forum that you turn a blind eye to.
So stop trying to create a mountain out of a molehill and frame intentions that weren't there, to justify whatever bullshit decision you want to make when you press that magic button on me.
No how about you give it a rest with the persecution nonsense, it bores the shit out of everyone.
You're not being banned, your post wasn't even edited!
If you somehow don't think bringing in somebody as a point of reference that has absolutely nothing to do with the forum whatsoever is justifiable and that is fair game, then I am sorry, you've lost sight. Ask the 'we' you always fall back on as a brickwall if I am being unreasonable here in highlighting it.
Also, may I remind you it is you that said you hate a fellow poster.
It's true through:lol: you stick your nose in over trivial things when it comes to me yet when others say much worse you turn a blind eye to it :lol:
And it's completely justifiable to make a valid point. If you take offence to it then that's your problem.
Like who saying what? I am saying this regarding a poster's family member to make a point. It's not appropriate to be doing that and as far as I know, nobody else has done that.
It's not on, so I would ask you don't do it again.
The main reason is actually my father's Alzheimer's which meant he was no longer able to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
Not the only factor, but a fairly big one. And we continued to watch games on the TV after we gave up our season tickets but sadly he's no longer able to do that either now. So actually no, this loss of father-son time is absolutely nothing to do with Wenger.
And while the board don't care if I no longer go - because someone is undoubtedly sitting there instead of me - if people stopped going en masse then it would have an impact. Not going to happen, realistically, but in my view the only way to affect change.
Others have also said they are not going to give Arsenal another penny till Wenger leaves, I am not unique in that stance.
No, I am not. That is simply not true. Stop making stuff up or telling me what I meant by a post. I have not said that, if you think it is implied then that implication is entirely in your head. I merely questioned why NQ specifically continues to to so when he seems to hate it no matter the outcome. He still hasn't replied.Quote:
now you’re the one passively suggesting we should stop watching games?
I have never suggested people stop watching games. I rarely do watch, if others want to then fine, if they can do so without paying Arsenal in any way to do so then better still.
And yes, I was wrong about Wenger, I kept faith in him too long. But that doesn't mean that I agree with every criticism of him on here. Nor should I have to.
It's ironic that you say I am the "self-proclaimed extreme anti-Wenger police" when it is YOU who are proclaiming me as such.
And you have said repeatedly that I ban people for anti-Wenger views. Well, you're still here. Zim's still here. NQ's still here. This board is almost universally anti-Wenger.
So how about YOU hold your hands up and admit you were wrong about that...
I'll answer when you remove the frame from the debate. You probably need to be around on match day so you can see more of my comments. It will help you judge what I really thought about the game, rather than making a huge assumption and then pinning it to me.Quote:
I merely questioned why NQ specifically continues to to so when he seems to hate it no matter the outcome. He still hasn't replied.
It is completely true Letters. That was in no way a genuine question, the way you're trying to make out it was. You had no intention of simply asking NQ why he watches games still, in fact you know why- he is an Arsenal fan and loves the club. The love for a football club isn't something you can just switch off, it is often enshrined in generations of family that gets passed down and embedded into your DNA. So if you were - which I don't think you were, but if you were- genuinely asking him that question then you're more clueless than I thought you were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You were passively suggesting not to bother which is the most ironic thing in the world, coming from you.
Once again you are wrong. I haven't proclaimed as such, it's your actions and your quotes. Here's some quotes from yourself:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
"I'm just calling out bullshit for what it is."
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...=1#post4428259
"But I WILL argue against the things I see as more hyperbolic nonsense. I don't think he's a "shitty" manager. He gets some things right and other things wrong. I WILL argue against nonsense like we have an "average" squad and an "awful" manager."
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...=1#post4427784
"This is NOT the work of an awful manager working with an average squad. THAT is hyperbolic nonsense and deserves some ridicule."
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...=1#post4427784
You seem to take pride in sticking up for your messiah. Almost as if it's your calling to ensure people don't go over the top on this forum.
Over the years the anti-Wenger posters have been banned. That is fact. Mostly due to the fact they are anti-Wenger then get into personal duels with you, or one of your bum chums, and then either you or another mod bans them. Fact. It's never the other side that gets banned, it's always the anti-Wenger posters despite the fact the other side (especially you) are just as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yet you're still a mod. Why Letters? Why not do the honourable thing and step down? Will you actually answer that question or ignore it like you have always done? This place doesn't need as many mods as it has, plus you say you don't even watch games anymore because you have completely lost interest. You antagonise other posters, you are confrontational, you have caused a divide, you are not liked by many on here. Why are you still a mod Letters?
My observation
You Vieira have a persecution complex going on
Letters has a personal issue with both you and Zim. But disliking someone isn’t going to mean you’re banned
Letters is the executive producer of mods his meagre financial contribution keeps the place going
There does seem to me a lot more personal animus on here than discussing football
And I have to say....long may it continue
Go back to banter and shit posting, when you whinge like a little girl it’s not becoming
The whole fucking world is being stripped of nuance and while it makes for great baiting, nothing ever gets better. Just a progressive acceleration into the abyss.
The shit abyss.
Just answer the question!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
YES or NO?
Ermmmm.....yes?
It isn't a debate, it's just a question. You seem to pretty much hate watching Arsenal play. That isn't a huge assumption, you post endlessly about how poor our play is, not without justification. I'm just wondering why you put yourself through it if you so rarely enjoy it. If you don't want to answer then fine, I was only asking :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Yes, it was a genuine question :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
No, you can't just switch off being a fan, but you can take a step away from it as many on here have. You can do that as a protest at the situation at the club, because of apathy or whatever. MO and Gary both used to go to games regularly, they have both stopped doing so. I know others who don't watch games like they used to. Doesn't mean they are suddenly not Arsenal fans, it's just they have taken a step back. Probably not permanently. I'm pretty sure NQ said at some point he wouldn't be watching games this season as he was fed up of it all so it's a fairly reasonable question to ask what changed his mind.
No, it isn't a fact. Saying something is a fact doesn't make it one. No-one has been banned on here because of anti-Wenger views or because of personal duels with me or any other mod. You seem to be having a personal duel with me - still not quite sure who you are so I've no idea why, neither do I particularly care :lol:.Quote:
Over the years the anti-Wenger posters have been banned. That is fact.
And yet you're still here.
It's actually very hard to get banned from this place and historically people have always been given multiple chances before any permanent ban is implemented.
Why am I still mod on here? Well, I help pay for the hosting and I pay for the domain. And while others may find me irritating your little vendetta against me aside I don't see a huge campaign for me to be "sacked".
Only Zim, tbh. Well, even then it's not exactly "personal", I just find myself disagreeing with almost much everything he posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Vieira...he has a problem with me. I've no idea who he is and don't really care.
You really think that's going to do something now? :lol: After all the power and wealth the manager and board have accumulated? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Which goes back to my original point. If dismissive, condescending fans like you weren't so quick to ridicule us over the years, we might have some sort of power to do something or even had the change we desired by now. But we don't and now you're the one that doesn't watch games anymore :lol:
You can say it isn't fact until you're blue in the face but it is. Because it's true :lol: I gave you names a few weeks ago and the evidence is there for all to see. There's a few posters just as bad on the other side but guess what, they always get away with it :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Are you for real? :lol: Plenty have made their views on you clear over the past few weeks, you're clearly a very divisive figure that many dislike. But you can do a Wenger and pretend all is well, sweep it under the carpet, but that's a load of tosh and you know it. Plenty more find you irritating but they can't air their views. Because they've been banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Or dead.
Yes. If people stopped going en masse then I think it would make a difference. The fans are still the ones funding this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieira
I don't think it will happen but that is the way I think change could be affected. Others have expressed similar views.
You gave a few names, none of whom were banned for the reasons you stated. I looked into it at the time and it wasn't even me who banned most of them.Quote:
You can say it isn't fact until you're blue in the face but it is. Because it's true :lol: I gave you names a few weeks ago and the evidence is there for all to see.
So you can say it is a fact until you're blue in the face but it isn't. Because it's false :lol:
Were it true then you wouldn't still be here. Nor would Zim. Nor would NQ.
Others may have certain views about me but I don't think anyone else has called for me to step aside.
You stand alone in that little vendetta, held for reasons known only to yourself :console:
Shall I just change your name to Frank Grimes and be done with it?
Grimey :bow:
The similarities between you and Wenger are so striking :lol:
Not only do you worship your messiah but you model yourself based on him too :lol:
And you can call me Dumbledore cause I school your ass on a weekly basis :cool: That's twice I've embarrassed you and bought up old quotes to prove you're a liar and inconsistent :pal:
Me :bow: