Should be gone tonight as the longer we leave, the more damage he does
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Should be gone tonight as the longer we leave, the more damage he does
Don’t think he’ll last beyond Christmas tbh.
A guru will come in and teach Stan and the gang the error of their ways. They'll persuade the players to pull their weight and not be unspeakably greedy cunts. Definitely happening. Don't know who it will be but there must be a superhero out there who can get the job done.
OR.
Some other placeholder will be brought in to maintain the illusion.
Real pedigree like who though? if a manager life cycle is like 3 or 4 years then does a top manager want to waste 2 of them trying to get us into the CL before even having a tilt at the league.
We need a manager with some experience but possibly one who wants to grab the opportunity at a bigger club than they are used to.
Didnt Klopp take over Liverpool when they were struggling?
I do see the point that why would a big name manager come to us right now but i would hope maybe someone would see it as a challenge. We are still a big name, even if we do not play like one recently, and so having a chance to take a struggling club back to glory surely would be quite tempting for a decent manager as long as the club are prepared to back them in transfer market rather than relying on Edu to negotiate deals with his mates landing us Willian
Zidane is available. It doesnt come with more pedigree than that. Will our owner care enough to make the call?. We need to sack the twats who thought Arteta was a thing too. Moerons of the highest order. Make someone like David O'Leary the new DoF
#WengerIn
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No decent manager is touching this job right now. Seriously, what’s in it for them? The honour of managing Arsenal? Don’t make me laugh! This is what they have to look forward to…
- A bloated squad full of garbage, overpaid players that can’t be moved and have already maxed out your budget…
- …coupled with a one in, one out, sell-before you-can-buy policy…
- …and a dead market where there’s no buyers.
- Owners who won’t invest.
- No support from executive level.
- No board of directors to set standards.
- The strongest, wealthiest competition in the world who are already light years ahead of us in terms of squad building and investment and only getting stronger.
- A fractured fanbase who reached the limit of their patience 5 years ago and will be at your throat from game one.
If I were any half decent manager, I’d be looking at us and thinking ‘I’ll let someone else take the bullets sorting that mess out and put my application in in a year or two’. I certainly wouldn’t gamble my reputation on being the one to fix Arsenal.
@ Invisible, Your point about the fanbase is interesting, it'll be fascinating to see the atmosphere next weekend, on the one hand people will be pleased to be back and so in a mood to celebrate, on the other if they don't get a good performance it could turn sour quickly
But on the big-name manager i do think we're still a draw, we've some fantastic young players and there's still enough to work with among the others for someone who actually knows what they're doing to make the CL, plus we still have the draw of London, the stadium etc
If Neverton can get an Ancellotti so can we
We are still a draw and any fan who questions that, even if you are being genuine, is being nothing more than an "enabler" , the kind of "enabler" that has allowed the Kronkes and their partners to continue sucking all the life out of this club.
I have said it a thousand times here that Ancelotti was my first choice to take over from AW and more importantly we were always his first choice club that he wanted to take over...yet every effing time our suits kept messing it up with "enablers" encouraging thier crazy choices.
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In one of my last posts here I still mentioned about 4 managers I 'd give the job to over going on another merry-go with Arteta, they all changed clubs this summer except Rodgers, who I still believe we could entice if we said the right words.
We are are the cute gentle guy, who ticks all the right boxes but pretends to be shy, that all pretty girls want to be with, yet he's happy sticking with the mingers.
Zidane could come, it is very realistic and he is not bigger than AFC....can we fans stop repeating drivel that we are completely unattractive because one day (and it looks like it might be coming soon) that talk will be true.
Yeah, I think next week could turn really ugly really quickly. It will start out ok - I expect Saka will get a rousing reception - but the first thing that goes wrong and the atmosphere will turn in an instant. If the game goes really badly (which it easily could) then we could see protests outside the ground after the final whistle.
My point about the fanbase is that I’m not sure we’ve ever really recovered from the battle lines that were drawn back in the final Wenger days - if it’s not AKBs vs Wenger Outers it’s something else. It’s always something. I think that’s just who we are as fans now - we split 10 years ago and now neither side can let it go. If we sack Arteta then the pendulum will just swing the other way again: the current irate section of the fans will be kept happy, but the other half will be looking for any opening to go after the new guy.
At this point I really fear that no new manager will ever be given a fair crack at the job - they’d have to be successful immediately, but how likely is that?
I think we’ll be an attractive (ish) option again from next summer because, one way or another, most of our crippling contract issues will be over by then and we’ll actually have room to move - I just don’t see anyone going near us this year. If we sack Arteta now - if we want a new manager now - then I think we’re looking at the same options as before: someone up and coming who’s looking to make a name for themselves or someone who would see this as their only chance to manage a club like Arsenal.
We could get a Zidane or Conte. We just need an owner who cares enough to sell his project. Instead we have a person who probably couldn't tell you how many players are allowed in a team. Sticking with this chancer beyond September would make this a relegation dogfight and then NO One will want to come. Fans will have patience if they see competence sitting on the bench and coherence on the pitch. Everything about Arteta screams rank amateur, from his signings to his tactics to his handling of player and fan affairs. He is toxic and setting him free to run amok on this club on the back of an FA cup win is rank incompetence.
With our next games being Chelski (currently 3-0 up) then Citeh, we'll be rock bottom after three games with probably a GD of -10
I just hope they don't do what they did with Emery amd leave it too late before acting, lego-hair needs to be gone by the end of September so the new manager can work towards the January window
While its true the fan base is not the most patient at the moment, if the club managed to secure a genuine world class manager such as Allegri or Conte, many would become very patient.
They’ll know that the manager hasn’t had a chance to buy/sell players and that work is needed to fix the club. However the longer the club leave Arteta in charge the more toxic it will become
Well we're being told to trust the process and if we carry on we might be able to win the Championship next year <_<
This is what I’m worried about, though Ollie - if we’re already setting the expectation level at Conte or Allegri or Zidane (and presumably the £250-300m of spending money that it would take to persuade them to come here) then we’re basically just laying the groundwork for massive disappointment and more outrage and in-fighting when the next manager is anything less than that.
Honestly, I’d love to believe it might happen, I really would, but after 15 years of KSE ownership I’ve stopped hoping that we’re going to win the billionaire lottery. It’s crystal clear to me now that there’s no instant fix for us with these people in charge - they won’t fund it and, as Global rightly says, I doubt they even have a vision for the club to sell, much less the ability to sell it. If we’re going to dig ourselves out of this mess then we’re going to have to do it ourselves, without the owners’ support and leadership and with the club’s own resources.
Get rid of Arteta, fine - he’s really fucked me off with his last couple of interviews - but can we at least have some kind of acceptance and agreement that the new guy will have to be able to succeed in the exact same conditions, and that it probably won’t be a Conte or Zidane?
No i don't agree, like i said if Neverton can get Ancellotti we can get Allegri, Conte or Zidane
It's just a decision that needs to be made to get an established manager, not another loser
Well if Arteta goes Edu would have to go with him I understand Garrlick has experience dealing with transfers and managers of the caliber of Allergi and Conte would have a vast knowledge of players other than S America and the pull to bring them.
A fair point on the type of managers we can get. I think we are big draw still & could get a Conte or Zidane.
However if the club appoint someone like Brendan Rodgers, i think even that would get fans on side for a bit. Arteta was a complete rookie who while he had support at the start, lost it because he tried to act billy big bollcoks pushing out big name players for no reason, and making us worse. If a new manager came in & improvement happened, the fans would be onside
Mate, I think we could easily get an Ancelotti - I just don’t think he’s in the same elite bracket as those other names that we’re talking about. Not anymore. 10 years ago he would have been an elite hire, but Ancelotti in 2021 is about the same level hire as Mourinho for me: a safe pair of hands who will keep the players happy and maybe get us up to 6th or 5th, but who’s ideas are yesterday’s news by today’s standards and who’s not going to challenge Guardiola or Tuchel or Klopp. If we take the red and white tinted specs off, we’re about the same level as Everton right now and he did very little with them after a bright start - I don’t see how he really moves us forward that much.
As for those other names, we passed on Allegri before we hired Emery because his demands were too high, and that was when we still had some CL credit left in the bank and Europa league football to offer - can’t see us suddenly being able to afford him now we’ve had another 3 years out of the CL, a year of no fans in stadiums, and no European football at all.
And Conte has just left Inter on the grounds that they could no longer afford to match his ambition, and then rejected the chance to join spurs because they wouldn’t give him a quarter of a billion to spend. These aren’t managers who come in to fix broken clubs - they’re cherry-on-the-top managers who move around the strongest clubs in the world turning them from near misses into title winners. We have a way to go before we’re shopping in those aisles.
Someone like Rogers would be fine and realistic - all I’m saying is I guarantee you there’d be a section of fans who would oppose if and wouldn’t be able to let it go because he wasn’t the manager they wanted. I’m sure some would do it for no other reason than they’ve blindly followed Arteta, don’t want to admit that they’re wrong, and want the next guy to fail just to prove a point*. That’s how ridiculous I think we’ve become as a fanbase.
But, yeah, fwiw I think that’s more the level of name that I think we’re going to be looking at and need to get comfortable with.
*Edit: I’m a regular watcher / listener of TGT, and Tom has had people loudly unsubscribing from the channel and flouncing off just because he’s changed his stance on Arteta from ‘not everything’s shit and give him a fair chance’ to ‘he’s been given a chance and it’s not working out’ - how crazy is that?
I saw a stat on twitter (so take with pinch of salt) but it does ring true.
Under Arteta, Ozil has created the most number of chances to date. He only played 10 games and hasn’t played for us for 18 months!
That’s pretty damming
Is anyone else worried that Vinnai, Edu or Josh don't have the strength of personality or the desire to stand up to Arteta and pull the trigger on him if they have to? I have a horrible feeling that they have no intention of sacking him, no matter what happens...
Strength of personality will come when the whole Emirates start chanting "You dont know what youre doing"
Apparently there is going to Kreonke out protest before the match should be interesting.
We need to get rid of Kroenke, Edu, Arteta and half the squad
Sadly have to agree - it probably won’t even filter through to him on his half million acre ranch in Texas.
I doubt he’d understand what the problem is anyway? From his POV his £1bn investment is now valued at more than double that, so what are these dirty peasants complaining about?
Good discussion about the state of the club, if anyone wants a bit of background noise while they work…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YrxgCcqpJLM
We all contributed to this, from the authorities at the highest levels all the way through to the lowly fans who actually support this shit, as in prop it up with their earned cash. More TV, more money, more hype, more spinning graphics and pounding accompaniment. The new football.
Well here it is. We got what we paid through the nose for. Is it any wonder vulture capitalists swooped in to clean it up? And that's just the players.
Thinking about it. The transfer business we have done, i dony think arteta will get sacked. We are building a young team to develop. It doesnt make sense for them to bin arteta and rebuild again. Experienced managers want a team ready for now not a project.
It all depends on how the weekend goes. If we get a thumping from Chelsea and produce another tickle me Elmo performance against City, the atmosphere will become rancid. If as rumours say Arteta has pissed of his 2 lead strikers. I cant see how we can get any sort of performance from the rest. No Auba laca or Partey. My concern is where are the goals gonna come from?
We might get a performance at home and with the crowd, but yeah I'm struggling to see where the goals come from? I think we just need to concentrate on the things we can solve, like making sure we don't get bullied / overrun at the back, and then see what happens. I'd match them up with 3 at the back - Tierney, Holding and White - with Saka LWB, ESR in front of Xhaka and Sambi, and then let Martinelli and Pepe do whatever they want up front. The only thing I'm unsure of is RWB? I think I'd be tempted to go with Tavares again - he's raw, but at least he looks powerful and isn't afraid to have a go. Don't see us having more than one goal in us, max, so we really need to shithouse the shit out of this one...
Around 150m spent this window. No excuses now.
There haven’t been any excuses for a while but I’m sure some will be found.
Bumble’s already laid out this season’s excuse: Tavares (21), Lokonga (21), White (23), Ødegaard (22), Ramsdale (23), Saka (19), ESR (21), Martinelli (20), Balogun (20), Gabriel (23) - they’re gonna be all over the ‘long-term strategy’ angle if it goes south.