The Wish They Were All Dead Tory Cunt Thread

[The Wengerbabies]

So two months in, would you say the adults are back in the room?

Or have one lot of mediocres been replaced by another

They're worse then I thought they'd be and that's saying something.

[Letters]

Boris wasn't damaging for Europe, he was damaging for the UK.

Fair point.

[WMUG]

Also more importantly I wasn’t asking you

I asked the person who adamantly told me two years ago that we needed a Labour government because we needed the adults back in the room.

Did I?

Can't say I remember that, but the Tories blatantly needed kicking out and Starmer did give off a veneer of competence

I haven't honestly been paying a huge amount of attention to politics since the election, it's been a lot less entertaining since the Tory clown show have been seen off.

At least this lot have shown a willingness to be practical in their approach to our relationship with the EU, when the Tories were ideologically wedded to thumbing their noses to Europe as much as possible.

[Letters]

O'Brien speaks!



(Fair amount of Whataboutism here, but he does have a point)

[HCZ_Reborn]

Ten years ago I quite liked James O’Brien

Now I can’t stand him, i think that’s partly because Brexit changed him and it changed me

It changed him into someone who is grossly puritanical, completely lacking in self awareness and smug and satisfied to excessive degree. Like Mac if he had a brain

It changed me into someone who just despises political tribalism of any kind. There is definitely an argument to be made that Brexit could have been resolved more amicably if people on the Remain side had stopped throwing Teddy out of the pram and compromised. “I didn’t vote for it” is a petulant response, you still have to live in the country where it’s going to be enacted and the more intractable you are the more it’s going to embolden the headbangers.

And like when you join a cult or tribe, your opinion recalibrates so that instead of being nuanced and individualistic you become a mouthpiece for every single belief your tribe holds, and O’Brien is an exemplar of this.


The reason the Starmer free gifts issue is bad, is because a) it makes him look like a massive hypocrite especially when he took a preaching from the bully pulpit approach to the Tories doing it b) It looks especially bad and tone deaf when fairly or unfairly you’ve smashed the winter fuel allowance and have potentially left those just above the cut off point in deep shtuck. Politics is as much about communication as it is policy and this is absolutely stupid and avoidable.
If it’s about Sue Gray, well if her wage is being footed by the taxpayer of course it’s going to cause issues.

[Mac76]

Ten years ago I quite liked James O’Brien

Now I can’t stand him, i think that’s partly because Brexit changed him and it changed me

It changed him into someone who is grossly puritanical, completely lacking in self awareness and smug and satisfied to excessive degree. Like Mac if he had a brain

It changed me into someone who just despises political tribalism of any kind. There is definitely an argument to be made that Brexit could have been resolved more amicably if people on the Remain side had stopped throwing Teddy out of the pram and compromised. “I didn’t vote for it” is a petulant response, you still have to live in the country where it’s going to be enacted and the more intractable you are the more it’s going to embolden the headbangers.

And like when you join a cult or tribe, your opinion recalibrates so that instead of being nuanced and individualistic you become a mouthpiece for every single belief your tribe holds, and O’Brien is an exemplar of this.


The reason the Starmer free gifts issue is bad, is because a) it makes him look like a massive hypocrite especially when he took a preaching from the bully pulpit approach to the Tories doing it b) It looks especially bad and tone deaf when fairly or unfairly you’ve smashed the winter fuel allowance and have potentially left those just above the cut off point in deep shtuck. Politics is as much about communication as it is policy and this is absolutely stupid and avoidable.
If it’s about Sue Gray, well if her wage is being footed by the taxpayer of course it’s going to cause issues.

Wrong about Remain, right about Starmer

[HCZ_Reborn]

Wrong about Remain, right about Starmer

What am I wrong about with Remain (bearing in mind that I voted Remain in 2016)

There absolutely was and still is an intractability about Remain supporters that is just as irrational and unreasonable as you most fervent leaver. I do think there’s such a thing as loser’s consent, and in fact more so there’s an obligation if you think leaving the EU is a bad idea to actually get round a table and act like adults in order to mitigate its effects, and thus negate giving power to the zealots (which the ERG absolutely are)

But when so many took this strident rejoin or fuck off position, it created mass instability and led me to conclude that they were no different from the leavers in terms of putting what they wanted above what was good for the country

[Letters]

The reason the Starmer free gifts issue is bad, is because a) it makes him look like a massive hypocrite especially when he took a preaching from the bully pulpit approach to the Tories doing it b) It looks especially bad and tone deaf when fairly or unfairly you’ve smashed the winter fuel allowance and have potentially left those just above the cut off point in deep shtuck. Politics is as much about communication as it is policy and this is absolutely stupid and avoidable.

His point in the video is that the Tories were doing it - and doing it at an industrial scale compared to Starmer.
Johnson's flat renovations cost more than Starmer has claimed in 5 years.
As I said, it's Whataboutism. It does look tone deaf in the current climate.

[Mac76]

What am I wrong about with Remain (bearing in mind that I voted Remain in 2016)

There absolutely was and still is an intractability about Remain supporters that is just as irrational and unreasonable as you most fervent leaver. I do think there’s such a thing as loser’s consent, and in fact more so there’s an obligation if you think leaving the EU is a bad idea to actually get round a table and act like adults in order to mitigate its effects, and thus negate giving power to the zealots (which the ERG absolutely are)

But when so many took this strident rejoin or fuck off position, it created mass instability and led me to conclude that they were no different from the leavers in terms of putting what they wanted above what was good for the country

all the economic evidence shows that 'Project Fear' was actually 'Project Truth' and all the nastiness, racism etc we've seen is a direct result of Fuckrage and co stirring up division and hatred

the majority of people, especially younger people, in this country now want to rejoin but Starmer's too scared to go there again and tbh i get that, as thanks to our febrile media it causes so much strife - give it 5-10 years though and i think the conversation will begin in earnest - we'll rejoin eventually but under worse terms without (ironically) Thatcher's rebate and after a lot of damage has been done