I unfairly picked out all the teams they faced in 2016.Originally Posted by Cripps
Yeah pick out the crap teams
I unfairly picked out all the teams they faced in 2016.Yeah pick out the crap teams
Remember when Ronaldo pussied out of the final by faking an injury
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Take Ronaldo out of Portugal and they look just as shit as most of those teams.
Croatia have been the most impressive team this world cup and France are one of the best in the world
That is the definitive way to assess the quality of any playerMaybe we should measure the quality of Messi and Ronaldo by how many chances they create?
More seriously, let's look at how Portugal won that tournament.
They didn't win any of their group games. They drew with Iceland 1-1, drew with Austria 0-0 and with Hungary 3-3.
Ronaldo scored two goals in the last of those.
Then in the knock outs they beat Croatia in extra time.
Then they beat Poland on penalties (fun fact, I was in Warsaw that night, go there a lot on business, and watched the end of it in a bar there).
Then they beat Wales 2-0, Ronaldo scored the first - so that was the semi-final and the first game they actually won in normal time. And it was against Wales who, all disrespect due, are no world beaters.
They won the final 1-0 against France. Arguably the first decent side they played. That was in extra time too and Ronaldo went off after 25 minutes.
So spare me this notion that Ronaldo heorically dragged a mediocre Portugal to glory against the world's best. They pub-teamed their way to the title against some poor sides, most of which they either didn't beat or snuck past in ET or on pens. The only decent team they beat (also in extra time) Ronaldo wasn't even on the pitch for most of it.
That would work even better if you hadn't just said "Yeah pick out the crap teams"Croatia have been the most impressive team this world cup and France are one of the best in the world
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In 2016.Croatia have been the most impressive team this world cup and France are one of the best in the world
That is the definitive way to assess the quality of any player
More seriously, let's look at how Portugal won that tournament.
They didn't win any of their group games. They drew with Iceland 1-1, drew with Austria 0-0 and with Hungary 3-3.
Ronaldo scored two goals in the last of those.
Then in the knock outs they beat Croatia in extra time.
Then they beat Poland on penalties (fun fact, I was in Warsaw that night, go there a lot on business, and watched the end of it in a bar there).
Then they beat Wales 2-0, Ronaldo scored the first - so that was the semi-final and the first game they actually won in normal time. And it was against Wales who, all disrespect due, are no world beaters.
They won the final 1-0 against France. Arguably the first decent side they played. That was in extra time too and Ronaldo went off after 25 minutes.
So spare me this notion that Ronaldo heorically dragged a mediocre Portugal to glory against the world's best. They pub-teamed their way to the title against some poor sides, most of which they either didn't beat or snuck past in ET or on pens. The only decent team they beat (also in extra time) Ronaldo wasn't even on the pitch for most of it.
Argentina have Aguero, Di Maria, Dybala, Higuain, Mascherano, Otemendi, Pastore, Lavezzi... way more players over the years with high level experience.
True, and that is damning when it comes to the Copa America. But not relevant to my point.
Yes, but to quote the part of my post which makes my point:Regardless of whether they pubbed it, they won! It's that simple.
Spare me this notion that Ronaldo heroically dragged a mediocre Portugal to glory against the world's best.Well, there isn't one. But also not relevant to my point.Name another Portuguese attacking player that's close to Ronaldo's level?
WUMming aside, people on both sides of the Ronaldo vs Messi debate like to pretend it's nice and clear cut and their preferred player is clearly superior.
Fact is, they are two of the GOATs, there really isn't much between them. I don't like Ronaldo because hes an egotistical cock. Messi probably is too tbf, maybe he just hides it better.
But the idea that Portugal pub teaming their way against poor opposition to a trophy two years ago and winning the final while Ronaldo wasn't even playing makes Ronaldo the clear winner is absurd.
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