I hope they all die in a ditch
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So if we do leave with no deal, after the country has gone down the toilet and the idiots decide we should go back to the EU, we will be able to join again but this time with no veto as we had before. Leaving is a one-way ticket for that reason.
At the moment, we can...
Continue to refuse to be in the Euro. (Other countries joining have to agree to use the Euro by 2022. We do not.)
Continue to refuse to be in the Schengen area
Continue to block a united states of Europe
... and many more.
In other words, in practical terms, we have sovereignty over any attempt to produce new laws in the EU that we don't like.
If we leave and later ask to join again, we lose all of that.
Yes, exactly.
This is exactly why all tories should be killed.
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The Madness of May is that her 'deal' (and even the customs union that Corbyn bangs on about) means that we have to obey all EU laws and rules on anything to do with trade - that includes rules on what can and cannot be done in producing products and services - and if the EU bring in any new rules, we have to follow them, having had no say in the decision and definitely no veto. We can't change the agreement if any one of the 27 remaining countries object, even the smallest country. We can't do different deals with any of the countries the EU deals with - i.e. the rest of the planet. Even if we could, the EU already has great deals with them and we would not be able to undercut them - the other countries would not agree as they would be under pressure from the EU not to do so and the EU market is several times the size of the UK market.
So if her idea goes through, I don't see how that would satisfy the loony brexiteers as we would actually be moving further along to the world they are trying to leave - more so as it really will be a significant loss of sovereignty compared to now.
There are only 2 other choices. Either no deal at all in which case we will have worse trade deals with the rest of the world than we have now and the country will be utterly screwed.
Or we stay in the EU and enjoy the comparative prosperity we have had since we joined.
So a second referendum is the only way forward to avoid being in the shit. The brexiteers, of course, object because apparently asking the people to vote on what they would like to do in the light of current knowledge of what it would mean is 'undemocratic'. Thankfully people are allowed to reconsider and change their minds, otherwise there would be no further General Elections and we would be left with this incompetent inflexible idiot of a PM. Mind you, Corbyn is hardly an inspiring choice. But..... right now, it is more important that we reverse the Brexit vote which is a terminal one-way move. At least if the next General Election does not produce a great result, it will only be for a short time. Brexit is permanently damaging.
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Theresa May reassures public that the body bags being stockpiled by the NHS will be blue
https://newsthump.com/2019/02/13/the...-will-be-blue/
If you don’t send this signature to ten people, you will become a Spurs fan.
I laughed my head off at that yesterday
Newsthump
7 MPs have left the Labour Party, over anti-Semitism and Brexit.
It isn't known which of those was the reason.
I think it's more just to undermine Corbyn personally.