The bottom line for me is that we are a club who should be winning titles and the occasional CL, even Porto can boast of a few. That is where we are supposed to be as a club and where we claim we want to be. Winning runs w/o trophies are meaningless. We are not the Spuds, we need to challenge consistently. Wenger has stolen nobodys Teddy bear as far as I can tell, so no we don't hate him. Just wish he would do the needful, much of which seems pretty obvious to most of us.