I think that's overstating things a bit. He's a good player who adds quite a lot to our forward play.Originally Posted by fakeyank
He's not a clinical striker though and I can't see us winning a title without one.
I think that's overstating things a bit. He's a good player who adds quite a lot to our forward play.
He's not a clinical striker though and I can't see us winning a title without one.
@hcz agree with most of the scores and particularly with the assessment of Raya, Ram would i agree would have held on to one or two of those
But however much it will prompt more childishness from you, I will say that while yes Zin played one or two useful balls, he also was up to plenty of his usual dangerous dawdling on the ball and careless no-look passes which once again highlighted him as one of the major weaknesses in the team - 5/10 at most
Rice was fairly ineffectual and for the most part I forgot Havertz was playing although tbf he did manage one or two good things
Three (I don’t think you’re in a position to lecture anyone on childishness chief)!
so as we're talking numbers, here's a few things:
1. this is classic trolling and yet in the past you've denied you're a troll
2. more to the point, what you have set up here is a self-fulfilling prophecy where you can claim to be right whatever the outcome: either A) i keep mentioning Zin (that's four), in which case you can claim I'm unreasonably obssessed with him or; B) I stop mentioning him, in which case you can claim you've affected my behaviour (which i recall you claimed you would do if you drew attention to my mentioning him). So you now have a situation where you no doubt feel very self-satisfied that you can't lose.
3. Counting my mentions of Zin (five) is meaningless unless you also count how many times i mention other players - e.g. i mention Havertz quite a lot, also quite a few other players - basically you have nothing to compare it to unless you count all those too - i think you'll need a spreadsheet
4. and ofc let's remember this all came from your wanting to draw attention away from my pointing out your own unhealthy (and, unlike Zinchenko [six] completely non-Arsenal related) obsession with harmful sexual deviance btw... i think i know what most people would find most concerning
5. Zinchenko (seven)
6. Zinchenko (eight)
so as we're talking numbers, here's a few things:
1. this is classic trolling and yet in the past you've denied you're a troll
2. more to the point, what you have set up here is a self-fulfilling prophecy where you can claim to be right whatever the outcome: either A) i keep mentioning Zin (that's four), in which case you can claim I'm unreasonably obssessed with him or; B) I stop mentioning him, in which case you can claim you've affected my behaviour (which i recall you claimed you would do if you drew attention to my mentioning him). So you now have a situation where you no doubt feel very self-satisfied that you can't lose.
3. Counting my mentions of Zin (five) is meaningless unless you also count how many times i mention other players - e.g. i mention Havertz quite a lot, also quite a few other players - basically you have nothing to compare it to unless you count all those too - i think you'll need a spreadsheet
4. and ofc let's remember this all came from your wanting to draw attention away from my pointing out your own unhealthy (and, unlike Zinchenko [six] completely non-Arsenal related) obsession with harmful sexual deviance btw... i think i know what most people would find most concerning
5. Zinchenko (seven)
6. Zinchenko (eight)
Cooking a meal doesn’t make you a chef, and just because I am trolling you here doesn’t make me a troll…but of course you already know this but you I think will say anything if you think it will win you an argument.
My big flaw is the same as yours, which is wanting to have the last word. I’m not trying to distract from anything, it’s you who keeps asserting stuff about sexual deviancy. I suspect it’s more because you think you’ll get a rise out of me which then makes it even more hypocritical for you to start going on about my trolling.
Herbert - just for once, say something. Anything. Your constant defence of your character is fucking boring. I'm sure you are just a bloke with your flaws and thoughts and ideas. And your place in the world. Everyone gets it by this late stage.
So, instead, say something interesting. Something people can consider, something that doesn't make them engage in the next comeback.
Something must be happening in your life that is worthy of comment? Anything?
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Did you know the term outlaw wasn’t intended to mean someone living outside the law but someone living outside the protection of the law.
For example the Roman Emperor Nero who became declared an enemy of the people of Rome, and therefore the protections from being robbed, murdered or in any other way violated were lifted and in fact it became the duty of every citizen of Rome to kill him should they set eyes on him.
This wasn’t a fate just for criminals, but for those who had absconded prior to being found guilty.
Yes. Jesus is a conundrum. He is very much the oil in our machine, and we simply flow/click better when he is on the pitch. My concern has always been that if you replace him with a 'traditional' striker (a dying breed in the EPL TBH), then the chances that we lament being able to finish may be fewer and father between.
Arteta (much like Guardiola in previous incarnations) seems happy to eschew a 'proper' striker in favour of the collective, and in fairness, this has mostly worked over the past couple of seasons. But as Pep has also shown, what works to get a team from 8th to 2nd is unlikely to be enough to get from 2nd to 1st - which given our competition is harder.
Havertz is similar in a way. I think that Arteta favours him because the main strength he has shown since arriving is his tracking back/defensive duties. But he is also good at progressing the ball. This accords with the manager's desire for control. What he seems to lack is confidence to get into the box to make assists and goals. I agree with those who say that for £65M we should be getting more from him, but I would bet that Arteta doesn't regard him as a flop.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
I mean.. I did state he didnt bring much to the table "as a striker". Does he bring other things to the team? Yes, he does.. works his socks off and gets the wide players and midfields more chances at goal by dragging defenders. But like you, without a clinical striker, we aint winning a title.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
Havertz was an absolute waste of money, I don't know what drugs Arteta was on when he decided we should get him.
Jesus is hugely frustrating. He has great hold up play at times and gets himself in the thick of it - but he has virtually zero end product and in this game at least, was offside about 70 times!
I cannot see us winning the league unless we sign a decent striker, no point creating 20 chances a game only to have no-one remotely professional enough to put the ball in the back of the net.
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