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I have to say I'm drifting toward 'Leave'. I can't put my finger on why, nor thought that I would, though I still think we will vote to stay.
BRITAIN OUT!!
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Maybe - but you THINK about and that's the whole game right there. We don't have to have a revolution, we just need enough people to think for a moment. Then they will find they are better than they have been told they are. The psychopaths are in a tiny minority and could never dictate if the majority just said no.
Look at Letters' response. The absolute and final, without negotiation, unwillingness to think.
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I'm quite surprised at how quickly the out opinion has gathered momentum. When you see so many people determined on a course of action despite the establishment raging against them with every weapon in the arsenal you know the consensus is overwhelmingly there. It won't make a difference unfortunately.
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I think we should stay because Mr Cameron says so and as the democratically elected leader he has our best interests at heart.
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Well the reasons people cite for wanting to leave mean nothing to me, "the EU is a giant neoliberal construct forcing free trade, and free movement to keep wages low" of course it is but the same people will still be in government if we leave and they don't seem overly bothered by low wages.
"We will have more control over immigration" from within the Eurozone but the immigration issue is less economic migrants and more refugees and assylum seekers from outside the Eurozone and if the French don't give a fuck about border control now why are they going to give a fuck when we aren't a fellow member state.
Plus the immigration debate is about the amount of legal migrants, it's not going to stop people coming here illegally and who likes undocumented workers??? Big businesses.
The people who want us to leave want to turn Britain into some mercantile offshore holding company, so if anything expect more Chinese to buy property that no one lives in, in London.
The crux of the matter is that the people who fuck us over will still be there whether we leave or stay, my mate said to me it's the only way to pull back against globalisation, I told him he should be selling pencils from a cup....there is no pulling back.
Oh and I don't give a flying fuck about the non elected nature of the EU, I wish there were different people in charge but not because they weren't elected to those positions because the flip side of democracy is allowing (nay encouraging) stupid people to vote.