2020 US General Election

[WMUG]

The progressive left has hijacked the democrat base.

If that were the case, Bernie would've won the nomination, surely?

[Xhaka Can’t]

And tell me something. Let's suppose the Dems can win this. They can't (the postal scam is already being dealt with), but let's play fantasy for a moment.

Can you tell me what policies they are running on? What is it they want these votes for? What's the manifesto?

You seem to mistake me for someone who believes the Dems are a solution to the shitshow in the US.

What they are is the least worst option. I was simply pointing out that they have bought airtime in Texas. Something they would not be doing if their internal polling was telling them they hadn’t got a chance.

[Niall_Quinn]

If that were the case, Bernie would've won the nomination, surely?

He did - twice, easily. But the DNC rigged the elections. This is common knowledge and the main reason why the Biden campaign has to pander so ferociously to the hard left.

[Niall_Quinn]

i don't even get why you're commenting on this thread.

you've been telling us time and time again that politicians don't matter because it's the dark forces of big business that control everything

So why do you care about this election? - surely it will make no difference because you've said again and again and again that politicans have no effect at all whatsoever on anything - surely you're not being inconsistent...?????

No, I'm not. And I have explained this to you before, in torturously simple language. The political process legitimises (theoretically if not morally) the agendas of the competing factions. If the left gets control then their globalist puppeteers get the tools of control. The individuals dancing about for votes are neither here nor there once the result is rubber stamped. As we have seen with Trump. He's been thwarted at every turn. If he had any significant power he'd have made sweeping changes by now, rather than be bogged down in political bullshit for an entire term. Not sure why your lot doesn't think things through based on your own (ahem) reasoning. If Trump is Hitler, and the president is all powerful then WTF? What's stopping him from killing all the blacks and throwing out all the browns and passing laws to have women beaten? Obviously I'm using the insanity of the left to illustrate the point.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why are you asking what they are then?

??? Serious? To find out of any of the lefties have a clue what they are supporting.

[WMUG]

He did - twice, easily. But the DNC rigged the elections. This is common knowledge and the main reason why the Biden campaign has to pander so ferociously to the hard left.

Ok, just to see if I've got a read on your assessment of the situation.

The dem base is mostly progressive and voted for their preferred candidate who got ratfucked.

The DNC knows that to get the votes of the people whose candidate they stole the nomination from, they need to pander to them, but won't actually implement the policies they want but instead go off and pursue their own agenda.

Trump is the figurehead of the movement opposed to the DNC's (and cronies) agenda.

Anything else?

[Niall_Quinn]

That's a 10K ft view. The progressives signed off their pact with Biden just this week, claiming it is brimming with goodies for the lunatic fringe. That silly child Ocasio-Cortez, habitual loser Beto O'Rourke and the socialist Saunders all reckon they'll be getting significant input into their crackpot issues such as environment, gun confiscation and the economy. Saunders has been shafted twice now but is back for a third round. It's funny, but sad also. Meanwhile the Pelosi mob continues to be the party of war and Wall St. It will be impossible to reconcile the split.

[WMUG]

That's a 10K ft view.

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The progressives signed off their pact with Biden just this week, claiming it is brimming with goodies for the lunatic fringe.

I don't know that they're claiming it's got everything they wanted, just that it's a compromise they're happy to make in the circumstances.

Ocasio-Cortez, Beto O'Rourke and Sanders all reckon they'll be getting significant input into their issues such as environment, gun control and the economy.

Sanders has been shafted twice now but is back for a third round. It's funny, but sad also. Meanwhile the Pelosi mob continues to be the party of war and Wall St. It will be impossible to reconcile the split.

I'm not sure I understand your point, didn't you say Biden is beholden to the progressives? Yet here you're saying they're just going to ignore them.

Or do you mean Biden et al are paying lip service to the left with no intention of following through on it?

[Niall_Quinn]

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I don't know that they're claiming it's got everything they wanted, just that it's a compromise they're happy to make in the circumstances.



I'm not sure I understand your point, didn't you say Biden is beholden to the progressives? Yet here you're saying they're just going to ignore them.

Or do you mean Biden et al are paying lip service to the left with no intention of following through on it?

During the election cycle! He needs their voters. Then sure, afterwards it's a certainty he'll ignore them. Fairly standard party politics, lie, deceive, promise, pander - then drop like a rock.

Why are you asking me? You can get all this by translating the puff-pieces in the mainstream media. It's not backroom, secret stuff.

[WMUG]

During the election cycle! He needs their voters. Then sure, afterwards it's a certainty he'll ignore them. Fairly standard party politics, lie, deceive, promise, pander - then drop like a rock.

Why are you asking me? You can get all this by translating the puff-pieces in the mainstream media. It's not backroom, secret stuff.

I was asking you to make sure I understood what your view is.

One thing I'm still confused about is why, if you think progressives are going to be betrayed once Biden's in office, you think it's a problem that they're having an influence on his campaign.