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[Niall_Quinn]

https://twitter.com/donaeldunready

While the establishment and its hapless and clueless serfs continue to cry, moan, complain and smash up cars, reality marches on without them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7567301.html

How will the left respond to this? Will it piss its soaked knickers again (surely that's getting a little old) or will it engage in a grown up manner and ensure that the perfectly reasonable step of banning further Muslim immigration into Europe is properly balanced with the protection of law abiding Muslims who are already here?

I suspect the left will forego the opportunity and responsibility and instead redouble their whiney efforts on Twatter.

World is moving around and past you - time to stop snivelling now.

[Letters]

Why is that perfectly reasonable?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What's the best way to stop Muslim migration into Europe or another question where is the vast majority of Muslim migration coming from currently?

The same country isolationists say we have no business in interfering in Syria

Now the left are stupid enough to say we caused the problems in Syria and make that their argument for non intervention, yes the west are responsible for the problems in Syria in large part but if someone drops a plate on my kitchen floor and breaks it, accidentally or not i'm going to hand them a dustpan and brush and say sweep it up please.

The British and the Americans have been keen for so long to either prop up or at least ignore these western educated dictators like Assad because of the pretence that their repressive regimes act as a security net against extremism, however Assad has killed so many of his political opponents that only the extremists remain and it's the ordinary civilian caught up in the middle.

So it seems to me pretty counter-intuitive to say we can't solve all the world's problems, we need to leave these country's to sort out their own affairs and then become exasperated when so many of them are arriving on our doorstep.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why is that perfectly reasonable?

Entirely reasonable, in my opinion. But also in terms of the evidence provided by the situations in France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, the Eastern European nations, any nation that has taken in Muslim immigrants.

[Niall_Quinn]

What's the best way to stop Muslim migration into Europe or another question where is the vast majority of Muslim migration coming from currently?

The same country isolationists say we have no business in interfering in Syria

Now the left are stupid enough to say we caused the problems in Syria and make that their argument for non intervention, yes the west are responsible for the problems in Syria in large part but if someone drops a plate on my kitchen floor and breaks it, accidentally or not i'm going to hand them a dustpan and brush and say sweep it up please.

The British and the Americans have been keen for so long to either prop up or at least ignore these western educated dictators like Assad because of the pretence that their repressive regimes act as a security net against extremism, however Assad has killed so many of his political opponents that only the extremists remain and it's the ordinary civilian caught up in the middle.

So it seems to me pretty counter-intuitive to say we can't solve all the world's problems, we need to leave these country's to sort out their own affairs and then become exasperated when so many of them are arriving on our doorstep.

I agree with most of that. Western interference in the Middle East and East has been an ongoing outrage and has caused many of the problems we see there now. But not all of them by any means. Islam is an exclusive, intolerant and regressive doctrine. These are the facts. In the west we have chosen to ignore that and instead brand ourselves as racists when anyone mentions the obvious. Which is stupid in itself because Islam is not a race.

There is, of course, a degree of genuine racism with any society. But you'd be very hard pushed to argue that Britain, or even the US, is a fundamentally racist society. It doesn't stop the latest batch of lefty fools from making the claim but the evidence doesn't hold up. I mention this because the practitioners of Islam in the main do not want to integrate into "inferior" cultures. They prefer their own culture embedded into the host culture and the hardliners (of which there are far more than admitted) work diligently to ensure there is no mixing of the two. Pockets of Islam in Britain even run their own Sharia councils that subject the Islamic residents within their scope to a set of laws, rules, obligations that are not part of the common culture in Britain and are not endorsed by any British laws. We are a Christian nation (for better or worse) and a tolerant and progressive society (in the main) and the fundamentals of that society run counter to the beliefs and practices of Islam. This doesn't mean by default that Islam is wrong and Christianity is right, it simple means they are incompatible and it's a stupid and destructive move to transplant incompatible cultures into our own. What good can come of it? On the other hand, we have quickly seen what harm can arise.

The situation has become appalling in European nations such as Sweden, Germany, France, etc. This is carefully edited off our screens and out of our newspapers but it is well worth hunting around to find out what unchecked immigration from Islamic states always seems to result in. We will have that here is we persist with our irresponsible open door policies. We are already on our way to permanently embedding the problems we see elsewhere.

We should also remember that these "hard man" dictators we have installed in various Islamic nations have brought secularism mostly against the will of the people. Islamists don't hate us because we are free (one of the most ridiculous arguments of modern times), they hate us because we have imposed our culture on theirs. Get rid of the Assads, Ghadaffis, Saddams and those societies quickly fall back into the hands of fundamental Islam because seemingly that's what the people want. And when Islamists arrive in Europe and Britain a large number of them want the same, regardless of the culture they are entering.

I have noticed more and more young Islamists state casually that we shall have Sharia law here, whether we want it or not. They are very serious about this and they are patient. They view our own cultures as sick, ungodly, depraved and they tolerate living here in the expectation that one day they will liberate our nations in the name of Islam. This isn't a joke, they believe this. Hell, we even have braindead, white, liberal, lunatic, lefty women converting to Islam because they believe the same of our culture. They'll have a nice shock in store once they are fully consumed by the "religion of peace."

So we are engaged in an ideological and cultural war that we played a big start in creating but now we are obliged to survive. The alternative is to beat ourselves, lay down and become subject to a culture that has absolutely no respect for us and considers us inferior.

To demonstrate we have a culture worthy of the name we have two worthy tasks ahead that must be accomplished if we want lasting peace. Firstly, stop this insane multiculturalism that is destroying all culture. If we do nothing else then we must at least ensure we stop making the problem worse. Second, we have to stop attacking the Islamic culture. Whether we approve of it or not we do not have the right to go to their nations and impose our own ideas. Even when we do see great injustice (amazing we can see anything at all with the huge plank of injustice within our own society stuck in our eye) we must allow people to live how they choose to live in their own nations. It is not our business if they want to practice a religion that we see as little more than barbaric. The moment we make it our business then we give our victim the right to intervene and destroy our own culture.

The best result for Christianity and Islam is separation. Live and let live, mind your own business. Again, the clueless lefties will say that this is racism and isolationism. Fortunately the corrupted and rotten left is rapidly destroying itself and will soon be gone, they won't be an issue for much longer.

Then there's oil. And the whole thing goes to shit.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We should also remember that these "hard man" dictators we have installed in various Islamic nations have brought secularism mostly against the will of the people. Islamists don't hate us because we are free (one of the most ridiculous arguments of modern times), they hate us because we have imposed our culture on theirs. Get rid of the Assads, Ghadaffis, Saddams and those societies quickly fall back into the hands of fundamental Islam because seemingly that's what the people want. And when Islamists arrive in Europe and Britain a large number of them want the same, regardless of the culture they are entering.

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Saddam nor Ghaddafi nor really Assad are even relatively seccular. Saddam was a sunni Muslim and imposed a very rigid interpretation of Islam on a shi'a majority....Gaddaffi equally saw himself as engaged in "holy war" against America.

These regimes don't form a barrier to Islamism they push people towards it, if you are living in a repressive regime and you are desperate for any kind of change the islamists are going to sound very seductive to you, the same way they are seductive to supposedly displaced morons living here.

I agree that it's not western interference that causes people to stone women, throw gays off building and murder teenagers for listening to western music....but it's an attitude that becomes acceptable because it's cultivated in the society within which they live. Once people become radical islamists i tend to agree that trying to understand them is pointless and i'd rather expedite their meeting with Allah, but the assumption that all Muslims are of this creed and that Islam is at it's core far more nascent than Christianity is the kind of nonsense perpetrated by those who fear Islam not because of it's extremist tendencies but because it's extremist tendencies are a rival to how they'd like to impose their christian views on people (you can see the way rich fundamentalist Christians try to influence African states like Uganda to impose religious laws with their money).
Yes Islam is an extremist religion, but it's not codified into people's DNA.....the people living in the middle east are mainly Muslim by default the same way many people were Christian by default in Western Europe up until the enlightenment.

For certain Men this conservative religion is a great comfort for them because it's manifestly patriarchal (unlike the imaginary patriarchy that the leftist feminists think exists in the west) and when they come and live in the west they try to cling on to the power and control they have over their wives and family that the law in their country of origin bequeathed to them, and this can lead to the type of things like honour killings etc.

However it should be remembered that Honour Killing is not confined to Islam and is known to happen in the Hindu and Sikh community in Islam, along with corrective raping etc. So in that sense the problem is cultural more than religious.

People are more than the sum of what stupid fairy tale they ascribe to, you can believe that the people bombed out of existence by the Russians and Syrian government in Aleppo were irredeemable extremists but that doesn't make it true

[GP]

Tara Palmer-Tomkinson has died.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Tara Palmer-Tomkinson has died.

Drug Overdose, suicide or Big C?

[GP]

Dunno, she was diagnosed with a brain tumour recently, but it could be any of those.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ah non malignant brain tumour.....sometimes you can't do anything about those because of where they are.