Match reaction v Bayern

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger had a good way of judging what he thought a fair red card is under the last man type ruling. If the player would have the team would have a better chance of scoring from the penalty spot than if the player wasn't fouled then a yellow card is good enough. Otherwise, give a red. That's quite logical but refs will be too stupid to apply that. By Wenger's idea, Suarez's handball would be a red card.

I don't have any problems with the rule the way it is. Yes goalkeepers have much less margin for error; by the rules they can be sent off even if it's not really their fault, but this is such a rare occurrence. I think that's the first time Szczesny has been sent off for us and only the 2nd time out of 100 that a goalkeeper has been sent off under Wenger.

But that's what the rule is supposed to be. It has to be a foul (not just a touch) to be a penalty and it has to be a clear (not partial) goal scoring opportunity or what has been vaguely classed as a "professional" foul. That's why the first penalty vs Liverpool was not a penalty, that's why Ozil's engineered fall wasn't a penalty and that's why Robben's outrageous dive wasn't one either and certainly never a red card. No clear goal scoring opportunities in any of those and all three barely touched plus running into their opponents to make the contact happen. In hidsight Boeteng shouldn't have been sent off because it was 50/ 50 with Ozil, at least it would be in a bloke's world. So no penalties and no red cards was the correct course for that appalling ref who only got the one decision right because he was so bad he dug himself into a hole so deep he didn't have a choice. When you see incompetent muppets like him on the pitch it really makes you wonder what they authorities are trying to achieve by hiring these cunts and by resisting technology so fiercely.

[Özim]

Robben got the ball past Chesney and Ches took him out, Robben would have put that away he's a terrific finisher and his touch was brilliant.

It was a penalty and a red card, everyone bar a small minority recognise it as a penalty and red card as it stands, not sure why you insist on disagreeing, even Wenger who is always the first to disagree didn't.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes of course it was a penalty and a red card - who is disputing it? We all saw it. But according to the rules neither decision was correct. Perhaps a yellow for Robben would have been fair because he was the one trying to cheat the ref and there are clear rules for that too.

[Özim]

Yes of course it was a penalty and a red card - who is disputing it? We all saw it. But according to the rules neither decision was correct. Perhaps a yellow for Robben would have been fair because he was the one trying to cheat the ref and there are clear rules for that too.

I'd hardly think a yellow for Robben would be right seeing as it was Chesney who caught him, had he not there would have been no penalty and no red card, it's not like Robben threw himself at Chesney as sometimes happens in football, he went for the ball, got the ball and then got caught by Ches.

[IBK]

why are some arsenal fans acting like spoilt brats? we have been involved in fights for 4th place for the last 8 years, we suddenly sign a world class player in Mesut Ozil, are really challenging for the league title and one game away from a semi final at Wembley yet some are acting as if anything other then the treble is a sackable offence.

Because we are yet to see whether the many issues that have plagued us for years have truly been resolved. And Ozil's done nothing to show they have. Yet.

[IBK]

Yeah but this is all getting a bit silly now too. Podolski saying everyone should not blame Ozil and get behind him (we are many miles away from Ramsey abuse levels here), Wenger saying today that Ozil hasn't mentally recovered and needs time. If you really have faith in your ability (and he fucking well should because he's got incredible talent and has proven it on the biggest stage of all) then man the fuck up, accept you're going to have to put in a shift at times, and make something happen - because that's what world class players do. Enough with the sympathy. God knows what he'd do if he faced a real tragedy.

Best post I've seen re Ozil's current situation.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'd hardly think a yellow for Robben would be right seeing as it was Chesney who caught him, had he not there would have been no penalty and no red card, it's not like Robben threw himself at Chesney as sometimes happens in football, he went for the ball, got the ball and then got caught by Ches.

He got tapped by Ches, no man would go down from a tickle like that. Robben went down as if he'd been shot with a hunting rifle. There's no excuse for it and surely there's no excusing it. His simulation was a magnitude worse than the tap Ches put on him. If Ches had dived up in the air and then rolled around bawling his eyes out everyone would laugh. So why does anyone take Robben seriously? Very odd, when a goalie runs into the strikers it's a penalty and when the striker runs into the goalie it's also a penalty. No wonder players like Robben thrive.

[IBK]

Best post I've seen re Ozil's current situation.

Plus - there is a reason why, particularly with Arsenal's parsimonious history, the most expensive foreign signing in EPL history is being compared with the best players in the league.

[IBK]

From Arseblog...

You said: “And a lot of Arsenal fans will say: While it was eleven v eleven, we were good. We held on well with 10 men, we were unlucky.”

Bingo, this is just what I was thinking when I heard Wenger's post-match whinge.

This is almost a perfect expression of the narrative fallacy.

“The narrative fallacy addresses our limited ability to look at sequences of facts without weaving an explanation into them, or, equivalently, forcing a logical link, an arrow of relationship upon them. Explanations bind facts together. They make them all the more easily remembered; they help them make more sense. Where this propensity can go wrong is when it increases our impression of understanding”

- Nassim Nicholas Taleb, The Black Swan

Or, to put it another way, we always look for the explanation which confirms our prejudice.

The trouble with most Gooners narrative is that they must accept that Sanogo was there on merit, Monreal doesn’t leave a huge gap on the left, Ozil is a fantastic addition to the squad and Podolski is only useful as an impact sub.

If you don’t agree with all of that then how can it be purely down to the red card?

or food for thought?

[fakeyank]

From Arseblog...



or food for thought?

Arseblog is a cunt.