2020 US General Election

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yeah, my ongoing crusade of posting every 3 months. It's going well. As we can see from your response. You made yourself look uninformed on this thread and very silly in another. So you have the hump. I get it. Doesn't advance your silly arguments any though.

I’m not the one making arguments at all let alone silly ones, I actually stated what the indictment said, which you’ve in no way disputed despite all this “he had every right to contest the election” repetition.

Don’t agree with the indictment? Fine no one expects you to, but the charge wasn’t challenging an election he genuinely felt wasn’t fair. There wasn’t any genuine curiosity over whether he actually won or not, he tried to persuade states to award their electoral points to him.

But if you think I’m uninformed, and I should feel silly. From you…I’ll take the compliment.

[Niall_Quinn]

I’m not the one making arguments at all let alone silly ones, I actually stated what the indictment said, which you’ve in no way disputed despite all this “he had every right to contest the election” repetition.

Don’t agree with the indictment? Fine no one expects you to, but the charge wasn’t challenging an election he genuinely felt wasn’t fair. There wasn’t any genuine curiosity over whether he actually won or not, he tried to persuade states to award their electoral points to him.

But if you think I’m uninformed, and I should feel silly. From you…I’ll take the compliment.

You can't resist, can you? You're like a toy.

Round and around. But you'll never dig into the response I gave earlier, because it blows the whole foundation out from under you. Russiagate is real and you know it is. But you still find a way to fit that into your brain simultaneously with these kangaroo courts, all the while trying to play the casual, disinterested observer. Oh what a bore - I suppose I'll comment on something I'm not in the least interested in.

And believe me, we are so grateful for your guidance in these complex matters, borrowed as it is.

I'm not sure about you. You come across as intelligent and so I think, right, this is a game he's playing, for the laughs. But no serious observer can believe what you are arguing. There are too many reference points to simply jump into the here and now and say nothing went before. Which, of course, is essential for carrying off the mainstream narrative that (LOL fuck me) apparently I am playing to. The pure chutzpah. It's mind bending. Congratulations.

Russiagate is real Mr. Now tell me something about undermining the democratic process. Do you have a fair bone in your body, or an impartial one, with which to grasp the reality?

[Globalgunner]

This is just nonsense though, isn't it?

Clinton, who is an Uber cunt who I have zero interest in defending conceded defeat immediately.

"Donald Trump is going to be our president,” she said, speaking at the New Yorker hotel in Manhattan. “We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead.”

So, it's not the same at all. Trump has spread his lies for years motivating people to do and say ridiculous things and widening the divide in this country massively. It's now pretty clear that he and his team tried to undermine the democratic will of the people, at multiple times using multiple criminal avenues.

This needs to be recognized and punished otherwise it will become the norm and, living here, I can assure you that the impacts are felt every single day in the interactions of people and institutions.

And Trump is the swamp, ffs.


But, aye...cLiNt0n d0n3 tHe sAme.


Fuck sake.

How could Trump be the swamp when it was his first foray into politics. Everything was peachy peachy in US before he showed up eh. Lies...Like which

Clinton may have mumbled those words but she went on for years after claiming he was in illegitimate president. She paid for the Steele dossier that started it all and kept the farce up through the whole Mueller investigation. These are the real facts. Like I said before 4 indictments....surely 1 will stick. I listen a lot to Alan Dershowitz.. He reckons Trump will sail through them all with nary a scratch. I believe him rather than your caterwauling's.

[HCZ_Reborn]

How could Trump be the swamp when it was his first foray into politics. Everything was peachy peachy in US before he showed up eh. Lies...Like which

Clinton may have mumbled those words but she went on for years after claiming he was in illegitimate president. She paid for the Steele dossier that started it all and kept the farce up through the whole Mueller investigation. These are the real facts. Like I said before 4 indictments....surely 1 will stick. I listen a lot to Alan Dershowitz.. He reckons Trump will sail through them all with nary a scratch. I believe him rather than your caterwauling's.

Well first of all it wasn’t Trump’s first foray into politics, even leaving aside the multiple donations he made to both Republican and Democrat politicians, he tried to win the nomination of the Reform party in 2000, and considered running for the Republican nomination in 2012 but knew he didn’t have a chance.

Is he the swamp? No the lobbying that controls Congress long predates him. But someone who ran a Ponzi scheme in Trump university, a perennial tax cheat, someone who rails against immigrants yet hires a load of them off the books is hardly the person to drain the swamp.


Dershowitz was also one of the defence lawyers for Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein, so he has a bit of form defending disreputable characters.

Dershowitz has largely defended Trump by asserting his first amendment rights, but as has been stated repeatedly Trump isn’t being indicted for claiming the election was rigged. That was what was to be expected of a man who pathologically can’t accept losing.

Trump’s main problem is that all these problems are of his own making. I think the New York indictment is a nothing burger, almost every presidential candidate could be convicted of campaign finance misappropriation. And the DA was elected on a campaign promise to go after Trump, I wouldn’t mind if it was for tax evasion but then they’d have to prosecute the entire Trump family for that.

But if you try and get people to change the slate of electors to award you a state you haven’t won, that’s not challenging an election it’s trying to change one regardless of any evidence. And his legal challenges were all thrown out because his lawyers often didn’t even present evidence in court…so half were summarily dismissed.

Trump isn’t this evil Hitler like figure, he’s just a white collar crook who at every turn has been the author of his own problems. Because the banks kept his head above water to stop him declaring bankruptcy over the costs of the Taj Mahal casino, he seems to have been given the impression that nothing he does is a criminal offence or will have consequences

I have no great desire for him to go to prison, but neither do I have any great sympathy for him either. Like Netanyahu he’s now running for office to keep himself out of legal trouble, much like Berlusconi and Jacques Chirac as well. The only real difference between him and the other three is he doesn’t know when to shut up. That and people recognise the other three are crooks, but somehow look upon Trump like he’s persecuted. Not even because they like Trump, but they hate the people he hates.

America’s problems long predate Trump and they’ll be there long after he’s gone. But credulous people have chosen him as their white knight even though he doesn’t give a fuck about them and in fact is hoovering up their money to pay for his own legal fees. And actually it’s them I feel bad for.

[mandela8]

How could Trump be the swamp when it was his first foray into politics. Everything was peachy peachy in US before he showed up eh. Lies...Like which

Clinton may have mumbled those words but she went on for years after claiming he was in illegitimate president. She paid for the Steele dossier that started it all and kept the farce up through the whole Mueller investigation. These are the real facts. Like I said before 4 indictments....surely 1 will stick. I listen a lot to Alan Dershowitz.. He reckons Trump will sail through them all with nary a scratch. I believe him rather than your caterwauling's.

Moving the goal posts already

Clinton never done anything close to what Trump done and is doing. Shut the fuck up, ya mong. Just lying at this point.

Even his 'own' people are ratting him out. The evidence now overwhelming enough for 4 grand jury's, not politicians just men and women off the street, to indict.

Trump told us all he was going to do it before the election, we all watched him do it after the election and Trump told us you people would still support him and here we are.

It'd be funny if you fuckin idiot cultists didn't have the same rights as normal people.

[mandela8]

As for him being the swamp, of course he fuckin is.

Spent a career in there. From his very first (daddy enabled) deal.

The deal needed complex permissions from the city and the state. To obtain those permissions, Trump hired the famous fixer Roy Cohn. Cohn secured him a $400 million tax abatement plus other special favors, including a waiver of all urban-preservation rules. After the deal was done, the city official who bestowed the favors was hired as a partner in Cohn’s law firm. A decade later, that official went to federal prison for corruption crimes.

To his university scams, which he had to pay $25m for. To his AC casinos racket. To then getting into office and giving himself, and his pals "I just made us all a hell of a lot richer", massive tax cut, to the nepotism in appointments, to the pardons he gave to his criminal mates and I could go on all day, but why bother because cultists like you are beyond reasoning. It's like arguing with religious idiots. You're beyond redemption.

Trump is the ultimate swamp monster and if you're too fuckin moronic to recognize that given all the evidence then it's wilful ignorance.

[Globalgunner]

For Trumps universality I raise you Hilary's Foundation Haitian help fund scam. Not to mention that her whole stint as SoS was a huge influence peddling money graft

Not to mention the litany of dead bodies that lie in her wake and that of her husband

At this point you are just being hysterical

Living life vicariously through she devils like Hilary will only earn you a coronary

[mandela8]

For Trumps universality I raise you Hilary's Foundation Haitian help fund scam. Not to mention that her whole stint as SoS was a huge influence peddling money graft

Not to mention the litany of dead bodies that lie in her wake and that of her husband

At this point you are just being hysterical

Living life vicariously through she devils like Hilary will only earn you a coronary

Fud, I couldny gie a single fuck about the Clinton's. If they could prove their wrongdoing I'm all for locking them up anaw.

Whatever they, or anyone else done, has absolutely fuck all to do with Trump being a criminal swamp monster.

[The Wengerbabies]

If anything this witch hunt just shows how terrified they are of Trump.

Sadly he's not going to attend next weeks debate, that would have been some great TV the 2016 debates were pure gold.

Reportedly doing an interview with Tucker Carlson instead, should be insightful.

[Letters]

Reportedly doing an interview with Tucker Carlson instead, should be insightful.