The Wish They Were All Dead Tory Cunt Thread

[Letters]

Brexit was about sovereignty.

That was one part of the argument and I actually bought the sovereignty argument, for a while.
Then I realised that we were already sovereign, that's why to leave the EU we only had to write a letter, not go to war.

To say there is zero argument to remain is as stupid and simplistic as saying there was zero argument to leave. The EU is a club, one we chose to join. There is a certain cost of joining and certain drawbacks, there are certain benefits. Whether the benefits are worth the drawbacks and cost are what the debate was about - or should have been. Instead it was about how much more money we'd have to spend on the NHS when we leave (lie) and how we'd be able to control immigration (probable lie) and how the sky would fall in if we leave (lie).
There was no intelligent debate going on.

And if some people did vote for independence because they "hate the frogs", so what?

So that's a stupid reason to make a decision about a complicated topic. And if they voted Remain because they thought the economy would completely collapse if we left that that was a stupid reason too.

Why do you keep pretending that complicated arguments are simple?

[Letters]

I don't think people did vote because of a bus, they voted for sovereignty mostly. They'd already thought about the issues and knew what they wanted.

I think you're giving people too much credit.
And as I said to NQ, we are sovereign. Any power delegated to the EU was given voluntarily and can be taken back.
If we weren't sovereign we'd have had to go to war to get out, not have a referendum.

[Goonermerree]

I think you're giving people too much credit.
And as I said to NQ, we are sovereign. Any power delegated to the EU was given voluntarily and can be taken back.
If we weren't sovereign we'd have had to go to war to get out, not have a referendum.

I'm not sure we could following the Lisbon treaty.

[Coney]

I'm not sure we could following the Lisbon treaty.

Yes, we could at any time. There is NO way the EU can force or would force a country to stay. They will not make it easy, of course - they would be mad to make it easy - but they cannot stop it.

[GP]

I don't think people did vote because of a bus

Of course they did. I know people that did. People still think the NHS is going to get more money.

[Letters]

I also know of people who voted to leave as a "protest", not really thinking leave would win.
People are fucking idiots.

[Niall_Quinn]

That was one part of the argument and I actually bought the sovereignty argument, for a while.
Then I realised that we were already sovereign, that's why to leave the EU we only had to write a letter, not go to war.

To say there is zero argument to remain is as stupid and simplistic as saying there was zero argument to leave. The EU is a club, one we chose to join. There is a certain cost of joining and certain drawbacks, there are certain benefits. Whether the benefits are worth the drawbacks and cost are what the debate was about - or should have been. Instead it was about how much more money we'd have to spend on the NHS when we leave (lie) and how we'd be able to control immigration (probable lie) and how the sky would fall in if we leave (lie).
There was no intelligent debate going on.


So that's a stupid reason to make a decision about a complicated topic. And if they voted Remain because they thought the economy would completely collapse if we left that that was a stupid reason too.

Why do you keep pretending that complicated arguments are simple?

Yes, the public voted to leave. So let's do that then. It would prove your point, wouldn't it? Which is precisely why the politicians, corporateers and establishment non-elects are bypassing the public vote and making plans to re-commit to the supremacy of European law on some of the most important issues, even though we'll allegedly be outside the EU. The "leaving" is cosmetic.

The sovereignty issue isn't just about the EU either. Multinationals with their preferable treaties that prioritise profits and socialise costs, that subvert the law by applying supra-national and non-negotiable treaties is another sovereignty issue that has to be fought and won. This fuck up of a government committed the nation to horrendous treaties that are entirely designed to benefit a few elitists at the expense of the British public.

All of this shit has to go.

You can't have liberty when power is concentrated into fewer hands. That's a very easy concept to understand. There are no benefits (imagined or otherwise) to centralising power over 400 million people into a politburo.

As for the extreme arrogance of deciding who may or may not participate in a democracy, this is very indicative of the Eurocentric attitude. A ladder of elitism with the next rung up more worthy than the one below and all context, circumstance and extenuation boiled down into the simple black and white you profess to disdain.

If people want to vote because they "hate frogs" then that is a perfectly legitimate vote. You may not agree with the sentiment but you cannot say they don't have an opinion. Their opinion is no less worthy than a fool who would throw away liberty for cheap foreign currency and ease of consumption.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, we could at any time. There is NO way the EU can force or would force a country to stay. They will not make it easy, of course - they would be mad to make it easy - but they cannot stop it.

The EU is not some adversary in this matter, in terms of the vermin that constitutes it. We have Europhiles in the UK "negotiating" with Europhiles in Brussels. It's not about leaving or staying. And all of this is second hand, with lobbyists and corporations feeding through the talking points. It's about manufacturing the appearance of a departure. If they are successful then they'd better hope the vast majority of people are stupid.

[Niall_Quinn]

I also know of people who voted to leave as a "protest", not really thinking leave would win.
People are fucking idiots.

You underestimate the reality of this in the hope of picking up a few stray sorries from people you think are stupid anyway, so why pay attention if they change their stupid minds? Do they become clever once they agree with you?

The entire establishment in Britain and in Europe have poured an avalanche of propaganda and lies on their captive audiences for decades. The media has been dutifully pulled by the nose through every obscene step to superstate. As was calculated before the referendum was ever sanctioned - Leave had no chance whatsoever. Every factor was stacked high against them. David versus Goliath. A sure bet. Only then, after years of rejection, did they feel confident enough to ask the people what they felt about this foregone conclusion.

Of course, politicians being stupid, ignorant, corrupt and arrogant cunts, they consider "the people" to be talking heads in think (sic) tanks or old buffers in boardrooms. Pollsters and pundits. Media whores and loud mouthed celebrities. And so David knocked Goliath the fuck out. It was never supposed to happen but it happened nonetheless. And now you have Remainers running around demanding we count again until we get the right answer. Or adding up the views of a couple of guys down the pub who were made feel guilty by Goliath's press machine.

The vast majority of people aren't idiots. They may be prejudiced, they may be uneducated, they may be brainwashed, misdirected, they may suffer environmental problems that cloud their judgement. It's the politicians who are idiots. Constantly lying to people and then demanding they make informed choices. People know how to live their own lives and they know what suits them. Politicians have no fucking idea what real life is.

[Letters]

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