I get that from you because as I have said many times you were there all along while your Idol was in charge justifying how we we are doing ok while slipping down the pecking order and yes here you are again rationalising how were are 8 years behind teams we used to look down on or at least eye to eye. No one in a Man U forum will be making the platitudes about losing like you do. Everyone at the start of each season starts from the same position but at Arsenal by Xmas we have only reasonable expectations. Winners plan to win, losers line up excuses. Everything about you is excuses and that goes for your loyal brain dead followers too.