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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    your instant response is to run to authority to "prove" the truth.
    Bless. You still think that because your authorities are not "mainstream" that you are doing something different to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Everything Trump is bad.
    Agreed
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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    Agreed
    His daughters are quite cute though. At least give him that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    His daughters are quite cute though. At least give him that
    That's why he raped them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Bless. You still think that because your authorities are not "mainstream" that you are doing something different to me.
    ???

    WTF are you talking about? Do you not know how investigative journalism and research works? You really can't get beyond the idea that you need to be TOLD what's factual or truthful by sources you eventually settle on as authoritative. No thought required on your part beyond the acceptance of the authority.

    That is NOT how investigation and research works. Every single authoritative source on the planet can be stating a "fact" or a "truth" and can still be wrong. The same is equally true for (supposedly) non-authoritative, non-mainstream sources. The "authority" in such cases comes from exposure, not established track records of veracity. "Mainstream" means visible, consumed by a broad range of the population, broadly cited. Facts and truth are not connected to these definitions at all. These sources, regardless of their exposure and acceptance, must choose to deal in fact and truth - or not. By merely being "authoritative" and mainstream does not confirm such sources as honest by default, nor does it discount non-mainstream information out of hand, despite your habits.

    The Iraq war is a classic and enduring example of the basic principles stated above. Fact. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Every major media source confirmed this because every authoritative source they relied upon stated it as established fact. But this mass consensus did not make it truth. The "facts" were wrong, the truth was missing. And not by mistake. These "facts" were gathered and the "truth" established by carefully selecting information and testimony (remember Scott Ritter, they tried to pin a sex offence on him because they disliked his testimony so much) and studiously ignoring other available information and testimony. If ALL of this information and testimony had been taken into account, a very different set of facts would have emerged and a real truth would have been reached. Real investigation. Real research. The sort of work journalists like Fisk, for example, have been undertaking for decades. His information and testimony was roundly ignored most recently when he advised the Syrian chemical attacks were a staged crock of shit. Another great lie spun by authoritative mainstream media (or the fake news, to give them their proper name).

    Dummies on the Internet shovel fake news too, but nowhere near the rate the approved sources pump it out. So authoritative and mainstream are they, our reality is shaped by their lies and omissions. And it takes far more work than you are seemingly prepared to do to work past that, find all the missing information and testimony, collate it, verify it using multiple sources and references (which in turn must be collated, verified) and so on. Getting to any truth in a world full of professional liars is a strenuous undertaking.

    I don't blame people for not being up to the challenge - after all, we are kept so busy with so much bullshit. But I do blame those who try to undermine those who have the heart to do the work. Disagreement, dispute, discussion, debate, all fine. Dismissal out of hand - bush league. A discredit to the one attempting to discredit.
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    Seems like America has totally gone to shit over these George Floyd protests. That cop has been charged with murder though.

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    I hope justice is done and that cop gets released.
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    He has already been sacked. unless i mistake your meaning and you are actually hoping he gets to walk home scot free?
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    Blue lives matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Seems like America has totally gone to shit over these George Floyd protests. That cop has been charged with murder though.
    This sort of thing happens too much in the US but this case feels different, maybe the straw that broke the camel’s back.
    Can you imagine if he gets acquitted?!

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