The Film Thread

[Power n Glory]

That's where the inequality and sexism comes into play. It's not a perfect world at all. As a men, we don't have to worry about being sexually assaulted after going out and getting drunk. We wear what we want and don't have to think twice about attracting attention. What counts as 'unnecessary danger or 'provocative'?

The only way I think you'll understand the whole 'victim blaming argument is if gay men and transgenders started raping straight men on nights out If it gets to court and the lawyer starts bringing up how much you drank, your sexual history and how your t shirt and skinny jeans put you in a danger, you'll probably have that WTF moment.

[Letters]

But this comes back to the fact that men and women are DIFFERENT. This is what gets lost in all this feminism and equality. Yes, women should have equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay for the same job and so on.
But, fundamentally, men and women are different no matter how much feminists may scream that we're all the same, it just isn't true. And women ARE at more risk because of that. It isn't their "fault" and it isn't because of "society" or "sexism" or "patriarchy", it's just biology. Look around in nature, in pretty much every species the male and female have different roles and thus act differently. We, as a species, are a bit more enlightened of course, but there are fundamental things about our makeup which means men and women will never be the same, nor should we be.
In the scenario you suggest then yes, then men would have to start taking more care in the way they act. We are fortunate that we don't but no amount of people shouting "women should be able to dress/act how they want without being in danger" changes the fact that acting in certain ways will put them in more danger. It shouldn't do in a perfect world, but we don't live in one.

[Power n Glory]

How does that come back to the fact that men and women are DIFFERENT? So sexual assault is in a man's nature? It's just biology? Where are you going with this argument considering we're talking about sexual assault?

You’re also missing how this plays out in law and policy. Yes, women and men are different but that then leaks into the issues we have with women and equal pay or not being considered for certain jobs. It works both ways because when it comes to divorce and custody battles, the law favours the woman and the same goes for maternity policies.

[GP]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor...of_Fatal_Death

[Letters]

Men generally are the ones who do the chasing when it comes to relationships and women are the chased. It's a simplification but it's generally how things are.
And that is not because of "society", it's just a reflection of men and women being different and that is part of our nature.
In nature in plenty of species the male just goes up to the female and gets on with it, there doesn't seem to be much consent going on. I'm sure thousands of years ago it was the same for humans and that must have been so for most of our history as a species, so one could argue what we now call sexual assault is in our "nature".
We, of course, have now evolved beyond that. We have morals and laws and that is no longer deemed appropriate but the underlying nature remains. If we lived in a perfect world everyone would follow those morals, but we don't.
Were there no difference between the genders you'd expect an equal number of assaults by men on women and by women on men but that's not what happens. The fact that it's men who commit most of these offences is a reflection of our nature.

And the fact that women get better maternity leave than men get paternity and do better in divorce cases is a reflection of women being thought as the primary carer and men being thought of as the "provider". And that also goes back to what we see in many species in nature, men and women simply have different roles. The idea that a man would be the stay at home dad and the woman would be the one going out to work is a very recent idea. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but it isn't traditionally how things have been.

[Letters]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor...of_Fatal_Death

I think Red Nose Day is a clue there that this was not to be taken that seriously.

[GP]

I think Red Nose Day is a clue there that this was not to be taken that seriously.

Yes Doctor Who is usually super serious stuff.

[Letters]

Yes Doctor Who is usually super serious stuff.

Fair point.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Letters does have a point, it's not victim blaming to say you are going to make yourself a target as a woman if you are intoxicated, dress in a certain way and travel alone in a secluded area. That's not because Men biologically are unable to resist that as natural predators, but there are some men who are natural predators because they aren't nice people. And no amount of educating men to respect and not objectify women is going to change that.
The legal system we have requires cross examination and no a woman's clothing or level of inebriation should not be a mitigation for the perpetrator but it is a factor to say if you were that drunk is it conceivable that you cannot remember whether you have consented or not, now I think personally if a woman is that drunk a man has to be a scumbag to have sex with someone but if it can be argued that he might have grounds to believe that consent was given, that's the difference between whether they serve a long prison sentence or not.

I don't sympathise with men who find themselves in that position as I think it is sexually predatory, but rape is a very grey area in such circumstances.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_rape