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[Letters]

Now we're saying winning the second rate (literally a competition for losers) cup is redemption.

Who is saying that?

[Niall_Quinn]

Who is saying that?

The collective "they" - there's a value being placed on this trophy by many fans and they are very naive if they think Wenger and the board aren't going to cash that value in.

[Letters]

The collective "they" - there's a value being placed on this trophy by many fans and they are very naive if they think Wenger and the board aren't going to cash that value in.

Of course there's value in it.
There's value in any trophy.
It wouldn't change my view on whether Wenger should stay, maybe it would sway some fans.

[Niall_Quinn]

Of course there's value in it.
There's value in any trophy.
It wouldn't change my view on whether Wenger should stay, maybe it would sway some fans.

Bragging rights for a day and cash for the board. That's all we get.

I'd easily sacrifice the EL if it meant getting a serious title challenge next season. Not even winning the PL - just challenging. That's enough and far, far more valuable than any second rate cup for losers.

But even that cup would be useful as a stepping stone. But it won't be. It'll be a watering hole in Wenger's desert of mediocrity. It'll keep us going so we can trudge through another year of desolation.

Pointless. A fun day out. That's the maximum value if we intend to let Wenger drag us off into the shit the day after.

Now if we won it and he resigned the next day. That's joy. The Losers Cup win would be fun. The joy would come from that resignation and the whole new world of possibilities it opened up.

He won't resign though. No chance. And 99% chance we won't win it anyway. More chance of us finishing up 7th to round out another dismal Wenger season with fuck all.

[Letters]

Bragging rights for a day and cash for the board. That's all we get.

I'd easily sacrifice the EL if it meant getting a serious title challenge next season. Not even winning the PL - just challenging. That's enough and far, far more valuable than any second rate cup for losers.

But even that cup would be useful as a stepping stone. But it won't be. It'll be a watering hole in Wenger's desert of mediocrity. It'll keep us going so we can trudge through another year of desolation.

Pointless. A fun day out. That's the maximum value if we intend to let Wenger drag us off into the shit the day after.

Now if we won it and he resigned the next day. That's joy. The Losers Cup win would be fun. The joy would come from that resignation and the whole new world of possibilities it opened up.

He won't resign though. No chance. And 99% chance we won't win it anyway. More chance of us finishing up 7th to round out another dismal Wenger season with fuck all.

Dear God you're a misery

[GP]

I'd fucking love it if we won this trophy.

Don't fucking try and tell me it's meaningless.

[Özim]

Dear God you're a misery

He's got a point though, nothing wrong with winning this if we then go into the CL and give it a good go, this needs to be a step to bettering ourselves. If this is just a token win to keep Wenger in a job or even worse get him a new contract then it's a poison chalice really.

For years Wenger hailed his record of getting into the tpp 4 every year as some sort of modern day miracle, the whole point of being in the top 4 was to be in the CL and the whole point of being in the CL is to try and win it, we haven't really done that for over a decade, making up the numbers and getting hammered when we meet someone decent just isn't anyones' idea of giving a good go.

Does anyone want a repeat of this season?

[selassie]

He's got a point though, nothing wrong with winning this if we then go into the CL and give it a good go, this needs to be a step to bettering ourselves. If this is just a token win to keep Wenger in a job or even worse get him a new contract then it's a poison chalice really.

For years Wenger hailed his record of getting into the tpp 4 every year as some sort of modern day miracle, the whole point of being in the top 4 was to be in the CL and the whole point of being in the CL is to try and win it, we haven't really done that for over a decade, making up the numbers and getting hammered when we meet someone decent just isn't anyones' idea of giving a good go.

Does anyone want a repeat of this season?

Yep, exactly how I feel and what I think.

Winning Europa and preparing for CL at any other big club would be seen as a step in the right direction.

Winning it at Arsenal just keeps Wenger in his job, nothing more to it than that.

How much more evidence do folks need to see to not get that things will not improve or change whilst Wenger is here?

We won't challenge for the title, will not make top 4 barring an absolute collapse from any of our rivals, won't strengthen the team in the way it should be strengthened or even setup the team in the way it should be setup.

Nobody even cares about how many points we have, the bare minimum at a Football club with the resources we have should be a top 4 finish! We are paying our star player 300K per week FFS and have 100Million pounds worth of strikers upfront, the money is there, we just have a dud of a manager who has no idea what he is doing!

The likes of the Spuds and Liverpool are improving season upon season and we are going backwards!

[Letters]

He's got a point though, nothing wrong with winning this if...

See, you lost me at "if".
A trophy doesn't have to be a stepping stone or lead to anything.
We have won 2 European trophies in our entire history. For a club our size that really isn't that good.
This is a chance to win a 3rd, it would be another bit of our history.
I can't believe Arsenal fans are turning their nose up at this.
I literally don't think fans of any other club would be so sniffy or put conditions on this
"we only want to win this if...". Ridiculous.

I don't think we will win it but I'd love it, just love it, if we do.

[Niall_Quinn]

Dear God you're a misery

No. I'm 100% committed to making this all about Wenger.

Because it is, and it has been that way for a long time.

There's nothing meaningful that can possibly happen at this club until he's gone and we know this to be true by looking back over the last 10 years.

Everything else is a distraction.

And even if that wasn't the case, being the best loser out there by winning the loser's cup is more embarrassing than anything else.