What will you be watching on TV tonight?

[Kano]

The Coming War On China definitely needs to be watched if you haven't already.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The Coming War On China definitely needs to be watched if you haven't already.

Absolutely because i can't get enough of things by people who deny war crimes and for whom all the world's problems are occidental

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Watched the Planet Earth bit on Kangaroos, they are vicious buggers

[Kano]

Absolutely because i can't get enough of things by people who deny war crimes and for whom all the world's problems are occidental

No it definitely exposes America's war crimes. So you don't have to worry about your strange bias in that regard.

[Niall_Quinn]

Absolutely because i can't get enough of things by people who deny war crimes and for whom all the world's problems are occidental

Dude. The US has been, is and will continue to be the greatest threat to world peace since WWII. There's no credible way to dispute this given the evidence. This does not mean other nations don't do atrocious things. It's just they don't do them on a scale comparable to the US. It's perfectly legitimate to criticise the greatest threat to world peace since WWII. Doing so without also cataloguing China's (for example) crime sheet does not at all imply Russia has committed no crimes. It is also legitimate to criticise China without having to list US crimes. In fact Pilger does that, he sits in a room in China and discusses Chinese massacres of their own people.

Many of the Americans I know are great people and the US probably has the largest resistance movement to government anywhere on the planet. But the US government and secret government is, by their own definition, a war criminal of extreme stature. Do you deny this and, if so, how can you credibly deny it?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No it definitely exposes America's war crimes. So you don't have to worry about your strange bias in that regard.

Ha Strange Bias says you, from a man plugging the work of Jon Pilger.

The thing is I have never pretended America aren't guilty of a lot of malfeasance, unlike Pilger i don't believe they are the beginning and end of all the problems in the world to subscribe to the intractable Noam Chomsky world view.

I am able to see both sides, I find it amusing the reverence given by American politicians to a clear war criminal in Henry Kissinger, it's hypocrisy over Cuba, the protracted Vietnam War which was totally about making money for private defence contractors, Iran-Contra.

Unlike Pilger though I don't equally see the Russians as victims of aggressive expansionist NATO, I don't deny the Serbians massacred Bosnians because the Nationalists all belonged to the Socialist party (although i will give Pilger credit there, he was consistent in his defence for atrocious war crimes committed by non-western states even though he had no dog in the Hunt as the West equally were prepared to ignore what was going on).

It's not about equivalence it's about having no time for people like Pilger who only has an axe to grind because Western Capitalism triumphed over Socialism, to the point where he has so much beef with American imperialism that he will forgive or ignore it where he sees it elsewhere.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ha Strange Bias says you, from a man plugging the work of Jon Pilger.

The thing is I have never pretended America aren't guilty of a lot of malfeasance, unlike Pilger i don't believe they are the beginning and end of all the problems in the world to subscribe to the intractable Noam Chomsky world view.

I am able to see both sides, I find it amusing the reverence given by American politicians to a clear war criminal in Henry Kissinger, it's hypocrisy over Cuba, the protracted Vietnam War which was totally about making money for private defence contractors, Iran-Contra.

Unlike Pilger though I don't equally see the Russians as victims of aggressive expansionist NATO, I don't deny the Serbians massacred Bosnians because the Nationalists all belonged to the Socialist party (although i will give Pilger credit there, he was consistent in his defence for atrocious war crimes committed by non-western states even though he had no dog in the Hunt as the West equally were prepared to ignore what was going on).

It's not about equivalence it's about having no time for people like Pilger who only has an axe to grind because Western Capitalism triumphed over Socialism, to the point where he has so much beef with American imperialism that he will forgive or ignore it where he sees it elsewhere.

You forgot to call him a racist and an anti-Semite.

You really think his decades long career and the mileage he's slogged at the front (as opposed to sitting on his arse in air conditioned offices pontificating and avoiding advertising conflicts) is a protracted sulk at the fate of socialism?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You forgot to call him a racist and an anti-Semite.

You really think his decades long career and the mileage he's slogged at the front (as opposed to sitting on his arse in air conditioned offices pontificating and avoiding advertising conflicts) is a protracted sulk at the fate of socialism?

No but i think that "protracted sulk" informs his work, and in my view stops him from being taken as seriously as he otherwise might be.

It's the same with Noam Chomsky, he has a brilliant mind in many ways but he is a prisoner of his own "first cause" assumptions.

[GP]

Back on topic...


Made in Essex.

Brilliant TV. As good as it gets.

[Niall_Quinn]

PSG 2-2 Ludo