Majority of Christians?.....i am not talking about individual christians i am talking about religious institutions.
Just because a lot of protestant christians in this country hold liberal attitudes towards homosexuality, doesn't mean that the churches themselves do....they just begrudgingly accept it because as always religion is behind the curve and tentatively drags it's feet behind human progress in a vein attempt to stay relevant in a world where increasingly it's no longer needed.
And the official line of Roman Catholicism towards Homosexuality is that it is an abhorrent practice, they are just frightened to shout it from the pulpit because it might offend the sensibilities of the western world and again it's frightened of losing it's influence.
I was so very tempted to quote Kevin Costner in JFK "we're through the looking glass here people, black is white, white is black!" but that seemed somewhat fatuous.
I disagree with most of your opinions but i don't find them in anyway offensive, the Libertarian philosophy for me seems largely to be one of wishful thinking that people will be better off if they are left completely free to either sink or swim on their own, but i think human beings are too flawed, too avaricious, too petty and undeveloped to be left completely to go it alone. Human beings came from a state of nature to form civilization as a sign of mutual protection from people that would harm you and deprive you of what was yours because they could.
Essentially universal freedom for all is impossible because total freedom for one person might necessitate a curtailing of freedom for someone else, we cannot always equate obligation with slavery.
But that's just my opinion.
Yeah, no issue made at all explaining why it is only the 3rd most read story on bbc.co.uk"We're quite non-confrontational," the 22-year-old said. "I'm not that easily wound up but I was angered."
"But we were tired and decided not to make an issue."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21566002
Gays
Awful hissy fits
I've never heard anyone complaining about getting a room upgrade before. Certainly not one that made the news.
Zimm would if it was Wenger who offered him it.
Woah, my mistake, didn't see this post til now.
See your point, don't think it particularly matters either way, having thought about it. But then it's not up to me, is it? It's up to people whose marriages would or wouldn't be affected by the change in legislation.
Probably notEveryone's happy, right?
Not particularly relevant to our conversation, admittedly, but there are a few screaming homophobes who want to stop using the world 'gay' to describe homosexualsI don't see any campaign to stop using terms like 'gay' and 'straight' in the name of equality.
Ideally.This is just about equal rights, isn't it?
Do you have any evidence to support that? If not, couldn't I equally claim that it's about it is about getting the same rights as other people:Be honest - this isn't just about equal rights, this is about an oppressed minority thumbing its nose at religious people who have oppressed them.
People who have those rights are called 'married'.
We want what they have
They have marriage
We want marriage
?
The term used to describe it could easily be incidental. If it's about anything other than equal rights, then show me.
So we've got two possibilities here, and I have no idea which one is the case, and I doubt it's even a dichotomy between those two options.
Can you back your claim up? Genuine question.
I'm not inclined to believe that's the case without evidence, but even if it was, I don't feel that gay people, totally divorced from religious institutions owe religious institutions anything. The stance you outlined isn't, IMO, particularly unjustified.Yeah, religious people will get offended by the definition of marriage changing because to them it means something special but screw 'em, they've oppressed us for millennia, why should we care that they think or believe?
Possible. Also possible that they would.If it was just about equality no-one would care what they called it if it gave the same rights as a marriage does.
Yeah, he does that for comic effect. I think that video needs to be watched in the context of his other videos, or it does come across as being a bit of a condescending prick. He has one line in one video where he says something like "the easy option, of course, is to make fun of people's deeply held and personal beliefs without looking into why they believe them and what they mean to that person. So, let's get on with it".I watched the video btw. Wow, could that bloke be any more condescending? He sneers at easy targets who clearly don't understand science but from the things he says about religion he doesn't seem to have made any attempt to engage with or understand Christianity. It's interesting how he says (with some justification, admittedly) that Christians pick and choose verses when he's done the exact same thing and not tried to understand any context for the verses he mentions.
You used to be everything to me
Now you're tired of fighting