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    the knock on effect begins

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20648276

    whilst the war on drugs is not working im not sure decriminalising is the answer.

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    "In Portugal, resources are focused on drug treatment rather than law enforcement. Users of small amounts of drugs don't face a criminal penalty if they attend a "Dissuasion Commission". It establishes if the user is addicted or just casual users."

    if thats the case then i think thats a good avenue to pursue. but with our culture im pretty sure people would begin binge-drugging all over the nation.

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    The punishment for drugs like marijuana isn't hard enough imo., there isn't enough of a deterrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gervinho's Forehead View Post
    The punishment for drugs like marijuana isn't hard enough imo., there isn't enough of a deterrent.
    They should be stoned.

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    This is the trouble with government and just one of many reasons why it should be abolished. It has hoodwinked people into thinking it has some sort of a right to dictate what we can and can't do as individuals. It has no such mandate and never has. Even if 100% of the electorate attempt to give government such a mandate it still can't stand as nobody has any right whatsoever to tell another person what they may or may not do, the very notion is inconceivable to any person who understands even the very basics of liberty. The trouble is, most people don't have a clue.

    As such, and as a self evident confirmation of our supposed beliefs in liberty, all drug consumption is lawful by default regardless of what government claims. They can abuse the citizen by using coercion and by pretending they have a right to dictate personal behaviour. But they are behaving in an unlawful and abusive manner when they do this and they only get away with it because the citizen has forgotten what it means to be free and independent. Of course they have a "legal" right to assume dictatorial powers provided they obtain consent. Unfortunately this is how they have managed to subvert the law, by replacing it with legislation and tricking the citizen into contractual compliance. A terrible crime on the part of government but most people are riddled by a drug of another kind, ignorance, and too fearful to demand their natural rights.

    The other side of the coin is the harm that can be inflicted on third parties as a result of drug abuse. Now it certainly is lawful for the appointed government to intervene when such harm occurs. While they have no rights at all to dictate what people should do, they have every right to act when the behaviour of one individual causes harm to another. And personally I think the book should be thrown at anybody who causes harm through drug abuse.

    The lawful thing then is to decriminalise not just all forms of drugs but to also define effective penalties for harm to third parties. Of course the government gets this almost completely the wrong way around. Mainly because there has never been such a thing as a competent government that adheres to the principles of liberty. All government is abusive by default, but not every person who uses drugs is evil in the manner hysterically painted by those who are so arrogant and vain and fearful they genuinely imagine they can tell others how to behave. They have a sickness that is not even diagnosed let alone treated. And I'm sure they will weigh in vociferously on this next battle between liberty and the foul smelling dog shit pushed by the ignorant, terrified and small minded control freaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn View Post
    This is the trouble with government and just one of many reasons why it should be abolished. It has hoodwinked people into thinking it has some sort of a right to dictate what we can and can't do as individuals. It has no such mandate and never has. Even if 100% of the electorate attempt to give government such a mandate it still can't stand as nobody has any right whatsoever to tell another person what they may or may not do, the very notion is inconceivable to any person who understands even the very basics of liberty. The trouble is, most people don't have a clue.

    As such, and as a self evident confirmation of our supposed beliefs in liberty, all drug consumption is lawful by default regardless of what government claims. They can abuse the citizen by using coercion and by pretending they have a right to dictate personal behaviour. But they are behaving in an unlawful and abusive manner when they do this and they only get away with it because the citizen has forgotten what it means to be free and independent. Of course they have a "legal" right to assume dictatorial powers provided they obtain consent. Unfortunately this is how they have managed to subvert the law, by replacing it with legislation and tricking the citizen into contractual compliance. A terrible crime on the part of government but most people are riddled by a drug of another kind, ignorance, and too fearful to demand their natural rights.

    The other side of the coin is the harm that can be inflicted on third parties as a result of drug abuse. Now it certainly is lawful for the appointed government to intervene when such harm occurs. While they have no rights at all to dictate what people should do, they have every right to act when the behaviour of one individual causes harm to another. And personally I think the book should be thrown at anybody who causes harm through drug abuse.

    The lawful thing then is to decriminalise not just all forms of drugs but to also define effective penalties for harm to third parties. Of course the government gets this almost completely the wrong way around. Mainly because there has never been such a thing as a competent government that adheres to the principles of liberty. All government is abusive by default, but not every person who uses drugs is evil in the manner hysterically painted by those who are so arrogant and vain and fearful they genuinely imagine they can tell others how to behave. They have a sickness that is not even diagnosed let alone treated. And I'm sure they will weigh in vociferously on this next battle between liberty and the foul smelling dog shit pushed by the ignorant, terrified and small minded control freaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoeLDG View Post
    Cocaine
    Horrible and pointless drug. This is like paying money for a short term fix when you could work on a long term solution for free. Makes no sense to me.
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