The Wish They Were All Dead Tory Cunt Thread

[HCZ_Reborn]

well so do I, so don't try to tar me with some cliched brush because i may have certain views on this or that matter - real people (or some anyway) are more nuanced than the caricatures you're presented with in the tabloid press you know

The thing is you’re not. You tick every conceivable tribal box. Maybe it’s just a coincidence like how it’s obviously a coincidence that NQ just happens to peddle every bread and butter conspiracy theory that’s doing the rounds on social media.

I’m sure there are marginal differences, but you pretend to be virtuous by taking offence to my off colour remarks. You take the orthodox view on Israel/palestine which doesn’t make you a Corbyn fan but it does leave you open to the charge of being one of the soft left who tolerated and defended these positions.

From my perspective the only area you are different from the crowd is that you accept that the trans stuff is nonsense. But equally I think most of the left already know this.

I’m not pretending I’m not biased…..I think Muslim extremism is more dangerous than far right extremism (because it is far right extremism, but far right extremism given licence by institutions in this country for cultural sensitivity). Christopher Hitchens was clear that all religions are poisonous but they aren’t equally so. During the Second World War it was the Catholic Church and their embracing Nazism…now it’s the Wahhabist Islam that tolerates no criticism or dissent. And Islamaphobia is a tellling term because it identifies criticism of the faith as a form of bigotry.

I am ambivalent on Brexit, I didn’t vote for it…..but it’s done with now….and there’s no sense in pretending the EU and its constituent states are an Elysian paradise.

I don’t know whether you actually hold to the ideology of Anti Racism, or whether you misspoke and you meant just not being Racist.

The way I look at it, for the left every conceivable criticism of their excesses comes from cynical critics

For the right, they are massive hypocrites who give life to the term if you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail. Yet they make excuses for an actual lunatic who has no respect for the rule of law using their own brand of whataboutery

[Mac76]

The thing is you’re not. You tick every conceivable tribal box.

well for a start i think socialism doesn't and can't work as it's fundamentally not in line with human nature, so i think that pretty much removes me from being far left or even fairly left doesn't it...?

[HCZ_Reborn]

well for a start i think socialism doesn't and can't work as it's fundamentally not in line with human nature, so i think that pretty much removes me from being far left or even fairly left doesn't it...?

Fine, but I can only work with what you give me to work with. Also you have to admit there’s a big overlap between left and liberal.

But if it makes you feel better I take it back, i also resent it when people make conclusions about me without seeing the whole picture.

For me it depends how we are defining socialism. If it means that there is an acceptable minimum standard and that things like homelessness become simply social problems rather than resulting from economic ones….that no one dies as a result of being too poor (unless they are simply too lazy to work) and that internationalist values gives us an obligation to export our values because they are objectively superior….i am pro socialist.

If we are defining it as equity as more important than equality of opportunity, that equal outcomes despite different levels and difficulty of labour is not equality. That we demonise the top earners and portray them as parasites rather than create a system that incentivises philanthropic avenues. Or a system like the one in Cuba that uses slave labour of political prisoners, that enforces its ideals through brutal amoral organisations and demands that the state is more important in people’s lives than family is an affront to human dignity

[Mac76]

I've met a lot of politicians and the only thing I'd say about Labour is that most of them do genuinely give a sh*t about ordinary people and their lives, while the Tories just see them as cannon fodder to fool with populist nonsense and then get shafted

[HCZ_Reborn]

I've met a lot of politicians and the only thing I'd say about Labour is that most of them do genuinely give a sh*t about ordinary people and their lives, while the Tories just see them as cannon fodder to fool with populist nonsense and then get shafted

I’ve met politicians of both parties, and my impression is that either the office they hold or the party they belong to has little bearing on what they are like as people. I’ve met Tories and Labour who are petulant gobshites who are totally obsessed with whatever pathetic scheme they had concocted. Brandon Lewis for example, what an absolute fucking rotter that man is…I met him when he was a council leader and he was the most conceited waste of skin I’ve ever encountered.
Obsessed with being one of Dave Cameron’s new stormtroopers (he hadn’t yet been selected for Great Yarmouth but he knew was likely to get a Tory target seat) and getting involved in the most pathetic and petty minded leaflet war with the Liberal Democrats.

Stella Creasey? Well she didn’t come across as a bad person but about as much social grace as a giraffe on roller skates, I tried to make her aware that she was in danger of catching my undone shoe laces and going for a fall but woman utterly failed to register it.

Then I asked her how Mike Gapes was (Mike was my nearest Labour MP who had suffered a heart attack) and she just said “I don’t know” like it was a stupid question. Now if she doesn’t know she doesn’t know, but she gave me the impression that this was the first she’d heard about it. I get that I’m being a little hard on her, unlike Lewis she wasn’t proud of being a twat she just didn’t make a good first impression.

Eric Pickles the Hutt. Total northern Thatcherite, but he’s a real and genuine politician….doesnt use spin to pretend to be something he’s not. Genuinely like him a lot.

I was genuinely saddened by the murder of David Ames, because I do work in the Southend area, and knew how highly regarded he was by people of all political stripes. He’s exactly the type of politician who cares about his constituency. And he was open to learning new things, he started an awareness campaign for Endometriosis as a result of trying to help a constituent suffering from it. Also a genuine dog lover

Michael Meacher and Chris Mullen…from the old Labour left. Very decent and open minded guys….i met the latter along with Tessa Jowell (who I thought was a typical afraid to say what I really think type) at a Labour Party function I went to twenty odd years ago. (I was a largely uncommitted party member until 2016)

[HCZ_Reborn]

Graham Jones suspended from Labour for saying those who go to fight for Israel from this country should be put in prison on their return. Now this for me is where I diverge from Labour, I think it’s an utterly stupid opinion but it is a legitimate opinion. Because if you can make the argument that Shamima Begum is a terrorist you can make the specious argument if you (in my view ignorantly) believe that what the IDF is doing amounts to war crimes. Well they might amount to war crimes but only if you accept that every single war in existence is a tacit war crime.


I don’t accept that someone fighting for Ukraine against Russia is doing anything wrong, but you can argue just as we are technically not at war with Palestine we aren’t at war with Russia (we are in all but name)

But it’s not an unreasonable argument just because it’s not an argument I respect. It’s an opinion rather than trying to pass off a conspiracy theory as fact.

[Mac76]

Basically the media, and the hysterical internet 'news sources' with which they're trying to compete, are as usual not reporting on but setting and framing the agenda, deciding what is acceptable and what isn't, what can be said and what can't

no change there then, but it's getting progressively worse

[HCZ_Reborn]

Basically the media, and the hysterical internet 'news sources' with which they're trying to compete, are as usual not reporting on but setting and framing the agenda, deciding what is acceptable and what isn't, what can be said and what can't

no change there then, but it's getting progressively worse

Yes it’s definitely the media and not the Labour Party who aren’t fit for purpose and haven’t come to grips with the level of antisemitism in the party.

I wouldn’t expect you to understand that given you think what amounts to a blood libel conspiracy theory is fair game. Not that I’m accusing you of being an antisemite…you’re just not particularly very bright.

Labour doesn’t know its arse from its elbow and cannot make the correct distinction between legitimate criticism and antisemitism. But then perhaps they can’t be blamed because that applies to the majority of the more well meaning pro Palestinian demonstrators who can’t recognise nascent racism when they see it or hear it

[Mac76]

Yes it’s definitely the media and not the Labour Party who aren’t fit for purpose and haven’t come to grips with the level of antisemitism in the party.

I wouldn’t expect you to understand that given you think what amounts to a blood libel conspiracy theory is fair game. Not that I’m accusing you of being an antisemite…you’re just not particularly very bright.

Labour doesn’t know its arse from its elbow and cannot make the correct distinction between legitimate criticism and antisemitism. But then perhaps they can’t be blamed because that applies to the majority of the more well meaning pro Palestinian demonstrators who can’t recognise nascent racism when they see it or hear it

Whereas of course with your vast brain and intellect you can see it very clearly

As always you don't recognise there's a lot of nuance and people will be at different points on the spectrum, but without doubt most of those condemning the state of Israel are simply appalled by what is approaching genocide

[HCZ_Reborn]

Whereas of course with your vast brain and intellect you can see it very clearly

As always you don't recognise there's a lot of nuance and people will be at different points on the spectrum, but without doubt most of those condemning the state of Israel are simply appalled by what is approaching genocide

When it comes to this subject it’s self evident I know far more about it than you.

I can’t be held responsible for what peoples misunderstanding of genocide is. Genocide is a deliberate policy to exterminate people based on their race…you understand this yes? It’s not just a term one should use as hyperbole which it is here.

Again we come on to the whole burden of proof thing, to prove Genocide you would have to first see an outcome by which every Palestinian in Gaza is killed and generally speaking you don’t tend to pre warn people to evacuate. Now you have made a remark about the media, well here you may have a point the media reporting has been phenomenally irresponsible allowing Hamas controlled institutions in Gaza to make claims that are later proven to be false. Like the Al-Ahli hospital which bbc and Sky News reported using Hamas as a source that it had been hit by an IDF missile, no it turned out the car park was destroyed as a result of a jihadist group rocket.

It’s nothing new, the media seems to forget that Hamas plays on its credulity as well as has embedded itself into every possible civilian area in Gaza. Now from my perspective the condemnation should then fall on a jihadist terrorist group for the fundamental lack of respect it has for its own civilians. But no, Israel is to blame because apparently it’s unreasonable to put out of action militarily a group that uses its own people as human shields. Also it’s a fundamentally indecent comparison to places like Homs in Syria where we know for a fact that civilians were intentionally targeted, just like they were in Grozny (the Russia-Chechen war)

Let’s be honest with ourselves here the Israelis have been accused of genocide against the Palestinians since 1948…it’s the only Genocide I know of where there’s been exponential population growth.

So no the word Genocide has no meaning in this context and it’s employed purely emotionally by people (like yourself) who understand nothing either about war or the region….or the nature of conflict in civilian areas.


Now what do I think would be a legitimate criticism of this war. I think you could argue that the IDF could have committed to a ground invasion of Gaza much earlier so as not to necessitate the aerial bombardment. It’s not a view I hold to, I think why should the Israeli military risk any more than it absolutely has to just to mollify people who will never accept its right to self defence.

On a micro level the IDF has made many mistakes but actually it’s been far more transparent about this than any other military organisation. I also think there’s an argument against flooding Hamas tunnels with seawater for the long term geographic integrity of the area.

I think there’s an argument to be made about how much Aid has been held back from the area, although we know that much of the aid ends up with Hamas and this would be in effect giving aid and comfort to the enemy…we know they don’t give a shit about their own people but apparently Israel has to.

I also fundamentally reject Netanyahu’s plan to use the IDF to reoccupy Gaza post war, this would not as I’ve said been something he wanted to do pre October 7th and this is why he dithered over sending in ground troops to begin with…in his mind his options are to reoccupy Gaza which is expensive in terms of resources and security or to give it to the Palestinian authority who would demand talks on a two state outcome for this…and Netanyahu is committed to avoid this…and that’s why in my view he needs to go.

But when the UN is so compromised by its own involvement in Palestine, other Aid organisations like Amnesty have historic conflict of interest issues…Israel is the dirge of international aid and cooperation.


People who want a ceasefire should fundamentally ask themselves what they think that will entail. When if there are not in denial they must realise one side doesn’t respect the ceasefire…..one side has pledged to repeat what it has already done and one side has the open intent of committing genocide (and it’s not Israel)

So no you can’t complain on one hand that I lack nuance and then heedlessly throw that word about