EU Referendum

[Power n Glory]

How effective will we be? We will have to negotiate with dozens of separate countries and trading blocs with far more time and therefore less urgency to get a deal done.

Additionally we will be at a significant disadvantage when dealing with representatives with far more experience that us in such an environment. We have very little expertise within this country in negotiating trade deals given that we haven't negotiated one in 43 years.

Exactly. All the urgency will be from our end with the negotiations which could mean we won't get the best possible deal. Do we even have the man power to get all these deals done? How many deals do we need to set up just to make up for what we lose from leaving the EU?

[Letters]

Yes if that happens, but that's all speculation and hearsay, there's absolutely zero evidence that will happen.

Apart from the fact that Norway and Switzerland have had to do exactly that.
In terms of %age of GDP we trade far more with the EU than they do with us, we're not in that strong a position for negotiations and if the EU give us too good a deal it will encourage other countries to think they'd be better off out too

[Niall_Quinn]

Apart from the fact that Norway and Switzerland have had to do exactly that.
In terms of %age of GDP we trade far more with the EU than they do with us, we're not in that strong a position for negotiations and if the EU give us too good a deal it will encourage other countries to think they'd be better off out too

Yes, we have a trade deficit. That means Europe suffers more if trade breaks down. Which it won't. Some of that deficit is artificial, like us having to buy our own fucking fish back, but in the main Europe would be hit hard if it lost Britain as a trade partner. But of course this won't happen for excruciatingly obvious reasons.

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458



Chaos

[Niall_Quinn]

Those aren't Labour MPs - They're Tories. If handled correctly this could be the best thing to happen for Labour since the afterbirth of the Whore of Babylon's eldest jackal led the party to the far right. Let the twats purge themselves, Stay Calm and Carry On.

[Özim]

That's a shade of the old arrogance you accuse London of having.

What sort of deal will we get? They're refusing to negotiate until Article 50 has been executed and they have ruled out access to the one market without membership or accepting the rules. Seems like they are playing hardball and that's expected. They have said we won't be allowed to pick and choose the rules. But if such a deal is possible, what's stopping other members from threatening to leave and getting similar deals that are tailored for their own requirements? That's something else they have to worry about so I wouldn't be surprised they they try to come down on us hard to discourage anyone else from leaving.

Now is it not possible that with us leaving and losing money, another major city benefits from what we've lost? What if one of these major banks decides to move to Germany or France? What if inflation goes up, taxes go up and we can't even afford to buy German cars? Many have said it's not in their interest to cut off their nose to spite their face but it's looking like a lose lose situation for the EU unless we actually don't leave.

Heck, we may even see a scenario where we see EU reform to save itself but keep us kicked out. They really don't like our arrogance.

We've only heard a few mutterings from a few disgruntled so and so's nothing more, time will tell but they need us and so things won't be anywhere near as bad as you think, as I've said before the EU need us more than we need them, have you seen our contribution, who is going to replace that, because half the countries take more out and most ofthe rest don't put a lot in.

Yes they've said this and said that, but they need us to trade with them, we buy more from them than they buy fron us so it's in their interest to be nice to us.

As for German cars, if the price go up and we buy less, it's Germany that suffers not us, and it's jobs in Germany that will be lost, again not in their interest or the interests of the politicians in Germany.

It's not a lose lose situation unless we leave the EU, it's lose lose if we stay.

[Kano]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458



Chaos

This is great news. Wankers being shown up for what they are.

The sort of political meltdown that is long overdue.

[Letters]

Yes they've said this and said that, but they need us to trade with them, we buy more from them than they buy fron us so it's in their interest to be nice to us.

Yes, but in terms of %age of GDP we rely on them more than they do us. Exports to the EU are about 13% of our GDP, imports from the EU are about 3% of theirs.
And if they give us a too favourable deal it could encourage other countries to have their own referendums.
So we're not in that strong a position.

[Letters]

That's what they're doing isn't it?

This was in response to my thought that the government are ignoring the vote.

And are they? How so? Did you think by last Friday afternoon we'd be out of the EU, have trade deals set up all round the world, the borders would be closed, work on the first weekly hospital would have started and we'd all be sitting on village greens scoffing cream teas and looking forward to some roast beef and morris dancing because we'd "got out country back" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean)?

It's going to take years to sort out.

[Özim]

Yes, but in terms of %age of GDP we rely on them more than they do us. Exports to the EU are about 13% of our GDP, imports from the EU are about 3% of theirs.
And if they give us a too favourable deal it could encourage other countries to have their own referendums.
So we're not in that strong a position.

You're comparing 27 countries vs 1 hardly a fair representation and based on that proportionally 3% to them is a lot more than 13% to us, in addition we can have our own trade deal with countries outside the EU to offset this somewhat in a worst case scenario (but it's not that relevant as we won't need this because they'll want to trade with us, for a start their biggest contributor Germany needs us due to the exports of cars).

You also forget that they are losing our contribution to the EU, which is a big part of their budget, without us they are in trouble to say the least, so they'll be keen to stay close with us, not to mention the fact because of the size of our econonmy they won't want to cut their face off to spite their face.

We're in a strong position, because we were one of the 3 most important countries in the EU, many of the other take out more than they put in and others put in little, they really needed us that's why they are angry, but the anger will subside as they look at the facts and realise they can't just cast us aside because it's not in their interest.

To be honest if other countries decided to leave they wouldn't be able to get tough on them, because quite frankly they couldn't afford it, they need the income.