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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    We have always been good enough to make top 4 even when we barely did, each of those seasons we made it inspite of Wenger not because of him/
    This is utter, utter bullshit.
    Your entire post is hyperbole but wow...
    Wenger is entirely responsible for the players we have, the way we play and results and thus our final league position.
    We finish top 4 because of Wenger, we don't win the league because of Wenger too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    This is utter, utter bullshit.
    Your entire post is hyperbole but wow...
    Wenger is entirely responsible for the players we have, the way we play and results and thus our final league position.
    We finish top 4 because of Wenger, we don't win the league because of Wenger too.
    Again your Wenger fervour lets you down. Yo claim to be a lover of statistics. History has shown quite consistently that you generally end up where your finances dictate. We have always been 3rd or 4th in the money league. Who can honestly argue with that?

    See how I made a point without childish resort to unpleasantness. Thats how adults do it.
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    Wenger fervour

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    The trouble is, we now have many fans saying okay, Wenger's time is up. He should leave. Not a surprise really because it's very obvious he's not up to the job. You get the odd fanatic like Ty or Chris Wenger who probably say what they say just to get on AFTV. But mostly everyone, the fans, the media, the pundits and I suspect the players too, know Wenger is done. Unfortunately Wenger doesn't appear to understand this, and the board doesn't seem to care because the primary focus of enhancing the financial value and global commercial reach of the club is being achieved. If Wenger has his way he will stay. He has already told us he has no idea what he would do outside of football. He doesn't sound like a man who wants to put his feet up and where else but Arsenal would he have such free reign to do exactly as he pleases? He doesn't appear keen on International management. All the signs are he'd stay at Arsenal for a considerable time yet if that option is viable.

    Therefore, in light of the likelihood that Wenger will choose to stay and in light of the board's certainty to be delighted with that option, it falls to the fans to ensure the option is not viable. Now if we are going to fall silent each time a game is won then the battle is already lost. We've already had the shame and embarrassment of gutless consumer fans singing Wenger's name in the middle of a collapse and capitulation that saw us blow the best chance in a decade of winning a title. We didn't even compete come the end, but this is normal under Wenger. We have seen fans criticised for making polite suggestions that Wenger ought to leave. The battle is not just against the manager and the board, it is against the complacent and misguided consumer fans and Wenger diehards that have sacrificed footballing excellence and ambition and are prepared to tolerate dire football just so they can support one man. They literally enforce that one cliche that supposedly is never true, nobody is bigger than the team. At Arsenal, according to the board, according to a section of the fans and according to the man himself, we live the exception to the rule and that has to stop.

    So, 3 points, well played in the first half. And Wenger out.

    Always Wenger out. It doesn't matter what happens now. Wenger out. He's had plenty of time and now his time is up. There is no coming back from the mess he has made, there is no recovery from his failure to compete, his lack of ambition, his shocking CL record. And if you need proof of it then listen to Wenger himself. He boasts about always being an also-ran, he boasts about always turning up to an elite competition despite the fact he never makes a showing. We do not need to wait yet another season to judge him. We don't need to wait another game. The evidence is there. It's just a shame he doesn't have the character to judge himself. If he did, then he would resign today.

    As it is, the fans will have to force the issue. So Wenger out. And for good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Again your Wenger fervour lets you down. Yo claim to be a lover of statistics. History has shown quite consistently that you generally end up where your finances dictate. We have always been 3rd or 4th in the money league. Who can honestly argue with that?

    See how I made a point without childish resort to unpleasantness. Thats how adults do it.
    Basing it on finances then, aren't we where are supposed to be positional wise in the PL? I'd like a new manager but you're suggesting that in general terms, someone else will only manage a similar performance.

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    Fine (at NQ). So put it in your signature and let's get back to talking about the actual games or signings or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Fine (at NQ). So put it in your signature and let's get back to talking about the actual games or signings or whatever.
    Avoid the one and only issue that matters at this club? This is what I mean. Some fans have opted to push for change. Others have opted to accept whatever is served up to them. The real divide seems to be between the fans who want Wenger out and the fans who don't want Wenger mentioned. This has been very much the tactic of a number of home fans. Put your banner away. Wait until the end of the season. We won, don't speak. And when they do allow some consideration of the manager's performance that must be framed too. It is not acceptable to say we have failed to compete for 10 years. This failure should instead be recast as a wonderful achievement, look. Wenger has kept us in the top 4. It is just as unacceptable to suggest Wenger's European record is embarrassing and shameful. Instead we say, look, Wenger qualifies for Europe every season. Notice that nobody is saying Wenger in. Instead they are forming a body of protection to serve up excuses on behalf of the man. Defending him by steadfastly sticking to a script. This is okay, everyone can decide how they will view the matter for themselves. Plenty won't care either way I suppose. But for those that have come down on one side or another it is plain enough what the goals of both groups are. One, to lobby for the removal of Wenger regardless, the other to counter that group regardless. Your suggestion that I focus anywhere but on Wenger would prevent me lobbying ceaselessly for his removal. Just as the demands that have been made of you to stop defending him at every opportunity are unreasonable.

    For me, every game this season is about removing Wenger. The individual results are irrelevant because the consolidated result is known in advance. This is of course one of the key reasons people want him out.

    So again, my analysis of this game is - Wenger out. It is the only meaningful analysis for anyone who wants to see a change for the better.
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    That's not an analysis of this game, it's your analysis of the situation at Arsenal generally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    That's not an analysis of this game, it's your analysis of the situation at Arsenal generally.
    In your opinion. You could be driven over a cliff 100 times. Each journey could be judged on its own merits. Has the driver provided a comfortable environment, has he taken you to oblivion by the most direct route, has his repartee been amusing? In the end though, perhaps the best analysis would be to consider all 100 journeys and conclude a new driver is required.
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    In this game we weren't driven off a cliff at all.

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