When does it start looking like we're in disarray? Mustafi wants out too?
When does it start looking like we're in disarray? Mustafi wants out too?
Rumours still floating around about us possibly making an underbid for Draxler once Wenger figures out if he is top, top, top qualiteeeeeee and at least as good as Danny Welbeck. If Wenger can do it, he will try. Look, it is not always so easy to find qualiteeeeeee, especially during the transfer window. Qualiteeeeee often only emerges once the window has closed and it is time to talk about who we "looked at" and "almost signed". Sometimes you must wait for Jonny Evans to move, then everyone will move. It is a waiting game. Wait until the window closes and then strike (like Alexis is doing). This is all ideal.
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No, he doesn't.Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.
Good luck to the lads (they'll need it playing under a crack addict like Wenger), and with our injury history they'll likely see a fair bit of action.Arsene Wenger has promoted four players from Arsenal's Under-23 squad to the first team.
Ainsley Maitland-Niles, Reiss Nelson, Joe Willock and Cohen Bramall all impressed in pre-season and have been rewarded with progress to the senior group.
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£50K and £60k contracts are each. Christmas has arrived early.
Only thing we can say with certainty is Wenger will never learn. I think it's only starting to fully dawn what a disaster it was giving this guy another two years to work his magic. You can catch glimpses of what it might be like this time next year and it's not pretty. Imagine fucking around for a whole season with the will Wenger sign, won't Wenger sign bullshit while half our squad ran down their contracts. It's unbelievable incompetence and supreme selfishness.
Couple of good youngsters there, if they can survive Wenger and the coming turmoil. This time next year we may be relying on them as major stars saunter out the door and the club "can't afford" to replace them.
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What the fuck is he talking about? Is he that stupid or am I missing something?
How did he get his degree in economics? Has he not seen how fees are shooting way past the £60m and players wants north of £150k a week? We'd be taking an expensive risk and buying a lesser player for that amount on top of having to pay their wages which could easily amount to £7m - £13m a year.Arsenal’s ideal situation has always been to secure Sanchez on a new deal at the Emirates, which they would be happy to push as high as £300,000 per week. But that would mean more than £15m per year in salary, four years of which would cost as much as foregoing a £60m fee this summer. Wenger warned how expensive even this best-case scenario would be.
Arsene Wenger speaks on Alexis Sanchez contract extension
“As well, if you extend the contract it costs you maybe more than you lose [in transfer fee] when you keep the player,” Wenger said. “You have to consider the length of the contract as well that the players want. So all that is into consideration. The financial sacrifice [of Sanchez leaving on a fee] is not as heavy as it looks.”
What's wrong with the people at the club? How can they be this shortsighted? It's similar to the dumb reasoning for why they were reluctant to extend RVP's contract. But they have no problem shelling out contracts to developing players that have no demand in the market and need no financial incentive to keep them at the club. Fucking idiots.
I used to think it was a language barrier with Wenger. But that's too convenient. He's accomplished with languages yet he seems to struggle with English - sometimes. When it suits. He comes up with this indecipherable bullshit because there's nothing credible underpinning his words. When you judge him by his actions and results he's all over the place, awash with contradictions and reversals. So he lapses into this babble because who would want to provide a clear and simple answer - I fucked up and I continue to fuck up. I'm one big fuck up.
There were several possible routes to securing Alexis. Get rid of Wenger and bring in a decent manager. Get the chequebook out and bring in the types of player that convinced everyone we are serious about challenging. Or pay Alexis what he wanted when he asked and avoid all the bullshit that has occurred between the original demands and where we are now, having met those demands. But we passed up all those options and instead went the worst possible route to end up with the least favourable outcome. It's what Wenger does. Find the worst option, pursue it and then bullshit about it when the inevitable shit hits the fan(s).
He has three bad options now. Pay Alexis his current 7.5 mill in wages for another season and then watch a 100 million quid player (in this crazy market) walk out the door - because if we are keeping him then we can't say we passed up on the fee that applies today, what we have to say is we passed up on the fee that would have applied had we done our job properly in the first place and signed him up when there was 2 years on his contract. It's a cop out to let that contract run down and then use that mistake and the lesser value as the real loss. The real loss is higher, much higher. The opposite of other clubs who let their star players go at the peak of their value. Look at Utd, the spuds, Liverpool - when they sell it is for big money. When we sell it is for peanuts. Wasn't always that way and it's just another indicator of how badly Wenger has lost the plot.
Another choice is to settle around the 60 million mark with the gypos, save the 7.5 million in wages and then either bank the profit or grab a trolley and rush into the open arms of all the clubs who can see how desperate we are to find a replacement. Familiar story. Monaco will milk us big time if we have to beg them for Lemar. We're talking Draxler too - a deal that could have been done a year ago, which in turn might have persuaded Alexis to sign a contract extension.
Finally we can still pull the trigger and make a couple of signings that stamp the seal of ambition onto this club, ride out the season with Alexis, qualify for the CL and WIN SOMETHING. Or at least get close enough to suggest we are seriously in the chase.
The final option WILL NOT be selected. That's the only part Wenger is clear about. It's all about the money with him. He's already treating Alexis as a new signing based on the 60 million cost he perceives on the loss of a fee next season. And, by talking about the wages that way, he's tipping us off in advance that we can forget about any top world stars coming here. Too expensive. We have the money but Wenger has decided it would not be prudent to spend it. Mostly because winning is not the main thing in football, according to him. The future prosperity of the club is what counts. Spoken like a true corporatist.
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I'd love for us to be proactive and sign a few top players early on and then approach Sanchez with a new contract offer and see if he's more receptive. If we decide to sell, do it from a strong position at least. Don't sell for £60m and then bid £45m for someone else. They're going to want the £60m up front.Another choice is to settle around the 60 million mark with the gypos, save the 7.5 million in wages and then either bank the profit or grab a trolley and rush into the open arms of all the clubs who can see how desperate we are to find a replacement. Familiar story. Monaco will milk us big time if we have to beg them for Lemar. We're talking Draxler too - a deal that could have been done a year ago, which in turn might have persuaded Alexis to sign a contract extension.
Finally we can still pull the trigger and make a couple of signings that stamp the seal of ambition onto this club, ride out the season with Alexis, qualify for the CL and WIN SOMETHING. Or at least get close enough to suggest we are seriously in the chase.
So let me get this straight, losing a player who would be worth 100 million in todays market if we hadn't let his contract run down next summer will cost you less than keeping him, thus saving yourself a massive transfer fee or even selling him if you want to next season once he's tied down to a few more years?
This is utter nonsense, it would be better for us to sign him up and then decide to sell him next summer for a bucket of cash and then spend that money, losing him next summer for free means we've lost a top player and have to fork out for a replacement (cheap if you're Wenger as he'll settle for some cheap nobody - but for any normal manager it would be an expensive business).
And when Ozil and Ox walk away as well and we've lost a 3rd of our team (and 3 of our best players) I'm sure he'll think it's the ideal situation and the most cost-effective one.
This guy is suppose to know about economics and is suppose to be highly intelligent, I'm amazed at the stuff he comes out with though.
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