Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not sure some people are getting what it means when our two star players walk out on a free. This is incompetence on a level never seen before at a top club. The net result will be catastrophic. No players of significance will want to come here from that point forward, not unless they see us as a stepping stone to the real deal and basically arrive and do another Ozil/ Alexis.

Between them, Kroenke and Wenger have completely fucked the club. Yes, they are surfing the inertia of its earnings potential and yes, they may have a get out of jail card available in the shape of a new Euro super league. But if that league doesn't materialise we are done as a top flight club. We are done regardless in terms of what we can do on the pitch, but if we don't get a shoo-in to a Euro league then we're done on the perception front too and that's the only thing that has been keeping us alive.

It's amazing we haven't paid our two star players what they want. Fucking criminal. Can you imagine this team without Ozil and Alexis. Evidently some can, but sure as hell they are judging things on media ramblings rather than the hard facts. You really want Theo Walcott and Jack Wilshere in his current state to be the real big things at Arsenal FC? Enjoy yourselves if that's what you want. Plenty won't and will be heading for the exits instead.

We're watching a dying club here.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'd get Dyche in tomorrow if I thought it would make a blind bit of difference. Obviously he's a far superior manager to Wenger, but then again, so am I. So it's not saying much. But at least he'd play players in their proper positions and prepare for the opponent. He'd drill the defence and introduce a bit of discipline. How do we know that for sure? Because there's only one manage in world football who doesn't do those most basics of basics, and the cunt is here at our club pulling down millions for his incompetence. But sure, why not, Dyche would be an immediate improvement. Look at the last 10 years at Arsenal and if you deny this basic truth you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

But the reason we shouldn't go for Dyche is we still have enough credibility as a club to do better. Yes, Dyche is a far superior manager to Wenger. No, he's not good enough for Arsenal Football Club. What a fucking mess we are in.

And no matter what, the cunt Wenger isn't leaving. And even if the cunt did leave, we still have Kroenke at the helm.

It all seems pretty hopeless to me. There doesn't seem to be a way out of this while the club suffers these two cunts hanging on for grim life.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal are prepared to swap star forward Alexis Sanchez for PSG attacker Julian Draxler in a remarkable January transfer.

Sanchez is out of contract next summer and seems ill-inclined to sign a new deal with the Gunners.

He was keen on a summer move to Manchester City, however a deadline day £60m transfer fell through when Arsenal were unable to bring in Monaco's Thomas Lemar as a replacement.

Let's think this one through, just to demonstrate how earth-shatteringly incompetent Wenger is.

A couple of years back Draxler was available for 32 mill. L'Moron said, yes, yes, we looked at Draxler. But no bid. It would have cost 32 mill to bring Draxler into a team with Ozil and Alexis still on contract. It would have displayed some ambition, some intent. It might have given the signals our better players are looking for today and have looked for in the past that this club has an ounce of desire to compete. Fabregas wanted to see it. RvC wanted to see it. Alexis wanted to see it but realised the harsh truth, to the extent he refused 300kpw just to get out of here. But had we spent 32 mill bringing Draxler in and then arrived at this summer window and brought in Lemar in addition to Lacazette, what would the team look like now and what would Ozil's and Alexis' attitudes be?

Instead, here's what the moron has done. Blown 90 mill in a single window on journeymen rather than sign Draxler. Expertly steered the team out of the CL. Dithered while our stars ran down their contracts. Sat with his finger up his shithole instead of putting the money on the table for Lemar. So now, instead of supplementing Alexis with Draxler, we're supposedly talking about a swap deal. A deal that will surely see us paying PSG, because Alexis' contract has "ideally" run down. And we'll have to convince Draxler to come here, not to join Alexis and Ozil on the pitch, but as they are both walking out the door.

Better still, the team won't have advanced one jot and, if anything, we'll have taken another step backwards.

This fucking moron supposedly in charge couldn't build a team if Arsenal was the only club in football. He'd still fuck it up. How can anyone believe this man has a clue what he's doing? Just how bad does it have to get before the stark bollock naked Emperor Wenger gets called out for what he is?

All the worst fears are coming true. A couple of years back people were talking about damage limitation, hoping that by keeping this shit on the damage he would inevitably do would not prove terminal. Some said don't give him any money. Too right when you see how he spent that 90 mill.

This Alexis/ Draxler story comes from the Daily Star, so obviously there's not a grain of truth to it. And besides, Alexis can do whatever the fuck he wants in January and Wenger has no say in it. But it got me thinking how we could have managed transfers over the last few seasons and how this incompetent old goat keeps banging on about finding the qualiteeeee when it keeps on parading right under his nose. Vidal, Draxler. Alexis, Ozil, Lacazette, Lemar - this was very, very possible, eminently doable, and it probably would have cost roughly the same or maybe just a bit more as the amount he's blown on shite.

And then there was the one about him refusing to pay 7 mill to an agent to arrange the transfer of that kid on a free. What was his name?

Mbappe.

[Power n Glory]

I'm not sure some people are getting what it means when our two star players walk out on a free. This is incompetence on a level never seen before at a top club. The net result will be catastrophic. No players of significance will want to come here from that point forward, not unless they see us as a stepping stone to the real deal and basically arrive and do another Ozil/ Alexis.

Between them, Kroenke and Wenger have completely fucked the club. Yes, they are surfing the inertia of its earnings potential and yes, they may have a get out of jail card available in the shape of a new Euro super league. But if that league doesn't materialise we are done as a top flight club. We are done regardless in terms of what we can do on the pitch, but if we don't get a shoo-in to a Euro league then we're done on the perception front too and that's the only thing that has been keeping us alive.

It's amazing we haven't paid our two star players what they want. Fucking criminal. Can you imagine this team without Ozil and Alexis. Evidently some can, but sure as hell they are judging things on media ramblings rather than the hard facts. You really want Theo Walcott and Jack Wilshere in his current state to be the real big things at Arsenal FC? Enjoy yourselves if that's what you want. Plenty won't and will be heading for the exits instead.

We're watching a dying club here.

Leaving aside the politics and how things would look if we lost Ozil. In footballing terms, how do you think his loss on the field would compare to when we lost Vieira, Cesc or RVP? I mention those three loses because they are the losses I see that had a drastic effect on the way we played for a seasons and never quite recovered from.

[Marc Overmars]

Leaving aside the politics and how things would look if we lost Ozil. In footballing terms, how do you think his loss on the field would compare to when we lost Vieira, Cesc or RVP? I mention those three loses because they are the losses I see that had a drastic effect on the way we played for a seasons and never quite recovered from.

Weirdly enough I had this chat with a friend the other night who said losing Ozil would be worse than when we lost RVP. Of course I told him he was talking absolute bollocks.

I think even Vieira and Cesc were bigger losses than Ozil would prove to be. These players all had significant and tangible effects on the team at their point of departure, they weren't just a cog in the wheel, they were the wheel. Ozil is supremely talented but he needs to go and play for a more demanding manager and with better players. He's not good enough to pick us up from the doldrums.

Alexis on the other hand, that explosiveness will be near enough impossible to replace unless we break the bank. The kind of player who can light up a drab game and be the difference.

[selassie]

Leaving aside the politics and how things would look if we lost Ozil. In footballing terms, how do you think his loss on the field would compare to when we lost Vieira, Cesc or RVP? I mention those three loses because they are the losses I see that had a drastic effect on the way we played for a seasons and never quite recovered from.

I don't think losing Ozil will weaken us significantly, he's not in the same category as Vieira, Cesc or RVP in terms of his contribution and influence on the team.

From the point of view ambition it's going to look really bad Ozil and Sanchez walking out the door for free.

What makes things even worse is they look likely to both leave for our supposed rivals in Man City and Man United.

Next summer is going to be an absolute bloodbath, no amount of wriggling will get Wenger out of this mess and he better be ambitious in the market otherwise things are going to get really really ugly.

[Niall_Quinn]

Leaving aside the politics and how things would look if we lost Ozil. In footballing terms, how do you think his loss on the field would compare to when we lost Vieira, Cesc or RVP? I mention those three loses because they are the losses I see that had a drastic effect on the way we played for a seasons and never quite recovered from.

Okay, leaving aside the disastrous and crucially important "politics" of it all, you're comparing apples, oranges and elephants. Don't worry about Vieira, his loss was massive and probably the most unrecoverable loss we have suffered so far. That ridiculous idiot Wenger hasn't replaced him to this day - and bear that in mind when we talk about Ozil and Alexis. The old goat has only just managed to bring a decent striker in and that wouldn't have happened were it not for a fortuitous, from our point of view, transfer ban. But forget Vieira, he was a central figure and a winner in a winning team. We can't compare his situation to the rest.

Cesc and RvC, these were important players in a declining team. We couldn't afford to lose them not just because of their talent but because the old goat had dumped the whole team on their backs and asked them to carry it. They were his get out of retirement free card during a time when the club had no ambition whatsoever to supplement their talents with additional personal. In truth, both these players wasted big chunks of their careers by being around Wenger. There was nothing for them at Arsenal, and of course they both had to leave. Wenger will say he had the whole stadium matter holding him back, but time has told us his excuses are bullshit. He's just a shitty manager, finances or no finances.

Ozil and Alexis joined the club as we were supposed to be emerging from our financial constraints and into direct competition with the likes of Bayern - you know, that German lot who keep beating us 10-2. Ozil and Alexis leaving represents the still birth of this brave new ambition (or lie if you prefer the truth) the fans bought in return for the most expensive prices in world football. When they leave, that's it. We've been through the whole stadium thing and we'll come out the other end with Theo Walcott to show for it.

People can be concerned with media stories about Ozil being unproductive, and they are despite the facts flying in the face of the "journalists'" fairytales. But let's pretend Ozil is lazy, and let's pretend he wants a free ride and all that other good stuff that Arsenal fans buy into when it is served up by pie eaters who have a traditional hatred of this club stemming back to the days when we used to compete with their precious Utd. Fine, get rid of Ozil then. Bye. The fans don't seem so keen to part with Alexis though. So let's do everything we can to keep him, and we can play Elneny and Walcott and Xhaka alongside him so he can be super effective. Happy days. Who needs Ozil when you have such an array of world class talent to help leverage the industry of Alexis. Carrying on the pretence, Elneny will give us more than the German World Cup winner (who seems to do rather well when he plays in an organised German national team). Hell, let's bring Jack back and he can do the business too. I can't see anything that could go wrong with this plan, even though there may be some who say wait, haven't we been here over and over and over again?

Second tier masquerading as top tier, that's Wenger's speciality. And now we can see the real similarity between RvC, Cesc and Ozil. Wenger can't hold on to his top players. That's what they all have in common. And he can't do it because he insists on surrounding those players with shite. And he does that because he won't commit in the transfer window, he won't deliver on the post-stadium promises. And even when he does spend, he doesn't know how to do it properly and we end up with another batch of second tier goods.

It's a pretty pointless conversation now, as both players are certainly leaving. And on their own terms. What a fuck up. And it really doesn't matter a damn what happens on the pitch because everyone already knows the fine details about that. Our second tier team that Wenger refuses to build upon will hover around behind the genuine contenders, never getting within a realistic sniff of the big prizes. Here we go again, another reset and another squad in transition. Transition is Wenger's addiction. He's always in transit because he doesn't have a clue what the destination looks like or how to get there.

When Ozil signed it should have been the start of what the fans were promised. When Alexis signed it started to look like maybe, perhaps these promises were being filled. And then the moron in chief reverted to type, he halted in his tracks, reversed and took us back to where he's most comfortable. Mediocrity.

I expect this from Wenger because he's a shit. What I didn't expect was so many fans gloating at the club's slow and sorry demise. Oh yes, get rid of Ozil. Get him out. Because we'll definitely sign a better player to replace him. Won't we? And we'll surely sign a few more and really start building a competitive squad, won't we? Just look at all the evidence that supports this happy outcome as we cut of our noses to spite our faces and go around the loop one more time in the hope Wenger will finally do his job.

Personally I wouldn't care if Ozil took a sleeping bag onto the pitch. With Wenger in charge, what goes on on the pitch is irrelevant. We all know the final outcome. There's no surprises and no progress. The only hope, if we must suffer Wenger, is to have enough quality (real quality, not Wenger's version of it) in the squad and on the pitch so the deficits of Wenger can be countered and overcome. Hell, that's a LOT of quality we need.

But instead we are watching Ozil and Alexis walk out the door.

Around we go again.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think losing Ozil will weaken us significantly, he's not in the same category as Vieira, Cesc or RVP in terms of his contribution and influence on the team.

From the point of view ambition it's going to look really bad Ozil and Sanchez walking out the door for free.

What makes things even worse is they look likely to both leave for our supposed rivals in Man City and Man United.

Next summer is going to be an absolute bloodbath, no amount of wriggling will get Wenger out of this mess and he better be ambitious in the market otherwise things are going to get really really ugly.

Maybe you haven't heard - but the situation is "ideal".

And, as well you know, we almost signed Mbappe and Lemar.

[Özim]

Maybe you haven't heard - but the situation is "ideal".

And, as well you know, we almost signed Mbappe and Lemar.

Mbappe is our top target, we're putting all our efforts into signing him and we're very close, we just need Jupiter, Mars, Venus, the Moon and Earth to be perfectly aligned and exactly 100kms away from each other, once that's in place he's ours, shouldn't be long we're only 2% away apparently.

[Özim]

Okay, leaving aside the disastrous and crucially important "politics" of it all, you're comparing apples, oranges and elephants. Don't worry about Vieira, his loss was massive and probably the most unrecoverable loss we have suffered so far. That ridiculous idiot Wenger hasn't replaced him to this day - and bear that in mind when we talk about Ozil and Alexis. The old goat has only just managed to bring a decent striker in and that wouldn't have happened were it not for a fortuitous, from our point of view, transfer ban. But forget Vieira, he was a central figure and a winner in a winning team. We can't compare his situation to the rest.

Cesc and RvC, these were important players in a declining team. We couldn't afford to lose them not just because of their talent but because the old goat had dumped the whole team on their backs and asked them to carry it. They were his get out of retirement free card during a time when the club had no ambition whatsoever to supplement their talents with additional personal. In truth, both these players wasted big chunks of their careers by being around Wenger. There was nothing for them at Arsenal, and of course they both had to leave. Wenger will say he had the whole stadium matter holding him back, but time has told us his excuses are bullshit. He's just a shitty manager, finances or no finances.

Ozil and Alexis joined the club as we were supposed to be emerging from our financial constraints and into direct competition with the likes of Bayern - you know, that German lot who keep beating us 10-2. Ozil and Alexis leaving represents the still birth of this brave new ambition (or lie if you prefer the truth) the fans bought in return for the most expensive prices in world football. When they leave, that's it. We've been through the whole stadium thing and we'll come out the other end with Theo Walcott to show for it.

People can be concerned with media stories about Ozil being unproductive, and they are despite the facts flying in the face of the "journalists'" fairytales. But let's pretend Ozil is lazy, and let's pretend he wants a free ride and all that other good stuff that Arsenal fans buy into when it is served up by pie eaters who have a traditional hatred of this club stemming back to the days when we used to compete with their precious Utd. Fine, get rid of Ozil then. Bye. The fans don't seem so keen to part with Alexis though. So let's do everything we can to keep him, and we can play Elneny and Walcott and Xhaka alongside him so he can be super effective. Happy days. Who needs Ozil when you have such an array of world class talent to help leverage the industry of Alexis. Carrying on the pretence, Elneny will give us more than the German World Cup winner (who seems to do rather well when he plays in an organised German national team). Hell, let's bring Jack back and he can do the business too. I can't see anything that could go wrong with this plan, even though there may be some who say wait, haven't we been here over and over and over again?

Second tier masquerading as top tier, that's Wenger's speciality. And now we can see the real similarity between RvC, Cesc and Ozil. Wenger can't hold on to his top players. That's what they all have in common. And he can't do it because he insists on surrounding those players with shite. And he does that because he won't commit in the transfer window, he won't deliver on the post-stadium promises. And even when he does spend, he doesn't know how to do it properly and we end up with another batch of second tier goods.

It's a pretty pointless conversation now, as both players are certainly leaving. And on their own terms. What a fuck up. And it really doesn't matter a damn what happens on the pitch because everyone already knows the fine details about that. Our second tier team that Wenger refuses to build upon will hover around behind the genuine contenders, never getting within a realistic sniff of the big prizes. Here we go again, another reset and another squad in transition. Transition is Wenger's addiction. He's always in transit because he doesn't have a clue what the destination looks like or how to get there.

When Ozil signed it should have been the start of what the fans were promised. When Alexis signed it started to look like maybe, perhaps these promises were being filled. And then the moron in chief reverted to type, he halted in his tracks, reversed and took us back to where he's most comfortable. Mediocrity.

I expect this from Wenger because he's a shit. What I didn't expect was so many fans gloating at the club's slow and sorry demise. Oh yes, get rid of Ozil. Get him out. Because we'll definitely sign a better player to replace him. Won't we? And we'll surely sign a few more and really start building a competitive squad, won't we? Just look at all the evidence that supports this happy outcome as we cut of our noses to spite our faces and go around the loop one more time in the hope Wenger will finally do his job.

Personally I wouldn't care if Ozil took a sleeping bag onto the pitch. With Wenger in charge, what goes on on the pitch is irrelevant. We all know the final outcome. There's no surprises and no progress. The only hope, if we must suffer Wenger, is to have enough quality (real quality, not Wenger's version of it) in the squad and on the pitch so the deficits of Wenger can be countered and overcome. Hell, that's a LOT of quality we need.

But instead we are watching Ozil and Alexis walk out the door.

Around we go again.

You're spot on and as for Vieira, totally agree the beginning of the end for us when we sold a player with still a lot to offer for peanuts to another big club because Wenger thought he was being smart, in the processing changing everything good about the team, one of the worst decisions in football to date.