Match Reaction - Arsenal 3-0 Bournemouth

[mastermind84]

Firstly despite his higher assist rate Ozil went missing in just as many big games in 15/16 as he did in 16/17

Secondly if you take Ox as a prime example who signed for Liverpool essentially taking a pay decrease on what we'd offered him because he is stating that he wants to be "coached".

It's not about supporting Sanchez it's about understanding exactly why he wants to leave, if you have any ambition as a player there is simply no reason for staying at Arsenal presently. We should have sold him off in the summer, but I fail to see how our failure to do so is his fault.

which matches?

He got both assist in the City match at Emirates.

Set up the Welbeck goal versus Leicester.

Scored and assisted in both matches against United.

Willed the club to a tie in the first Tottenham match too.



If players want to leave the club, then fine. I do not advocate booing. I dont really advocate booting players period, but eff off with supporting our best players leaving the club. I think some guys should leave the club for their own sake (like Oxlade, Ozil, and Alexis) but I do not want players to leave if they can help Arsenal. That is my point.

At least you admit what you've written is non nuanced. You can’t talk as if Emirates has said something nonsensical and make the above statement.

We came 2nd with 71 points the year Ozil was ‘top dog’. Leicester City were well ahead of us with 84 points. It was a rare season where all our rivals were so poor, not only did we make the top 4, we managed to finish 2nd.

Last season we finished on 74 points and finished 5th. See what I mean?

I admitted my post wasn't nuanced to make a point about what I responded too. Nothing in that statement was in defense of Ozil or to criticize Sanchez. There was no reason to actually repeat that, lol.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

which matches?

He got both assist in the City match at Emirates.

Set up the Welbeck goal versus Leicester.

Scored and assisted in both matches against United.

Willed the club to a tie in the first Tottenham match too.



If players want to leave the club, then fine. I do not advocate booing. I dont really advocate booting players period, but eff off with supporting our best players leaving the club. I think some guys should leave the club for their own sake (like Oxlade, Ozil, and Alexis) but I do not want players to leave if they can help Arsenal. That is my point.

I admitted my post wasn't nuanced to make a point about what I responded too. Nothing in that statement was in defense of Ozil or to criticize Sanchez. There was no reason to actually repeat that, lol.

Both Chelsea games, United away, Southampton away

The reason we finished 2nd was because everyone had a terrible season City and Chelsea especially and because after missing out on the title Spurs gave up.

[Marc Overmars]

Ozil only registered 3 or 4 assists after Christmas as well after looking nailed on to break Henry's record.

Plus, some of his "assists" were really all about the goal scorer. In that City game, Walcott bent it in the bottom corner from outside the box after receiving a 5 yard pass for example. Giroud's finish in that game was also very good after receiving a similar straightforward pass.

[mastermind84]

Ozil only registered 3 or 4 assists after Christmas as well after looking nailed on to break Henry's record.

Plus, some of his "assists" were really all about the goal scorer. In that City game, Walcott bent it in the bottom corner from outside the box after receiving a 5 yard pass for example. Giroud's finish in that game was also very good after receiving a similar straightforward pass.

So assists are about the goal scorer yet we also use the lack of assists as something to knock down a player over?

Just making sure we see that.

Both Chelsea games, United away, Southampton away

The reason we finished 2nd was because everyone had a terrible season City and Chelsea especially and because after missing out on the title Spurs gave up.

I'm well aware.

My two points are that a lot of fans have memories shorter than gnats in how they can forget things.

And also, stop putting individual players over the club. I blame Wenger for this because he has overindulge star players, starting with Fabregas.

[Marc Overmars]

So assists are about the goal scorer yet we also use the lack of assists as something to knock down a player over?

Just making sure we see that.

It's why I think the assist stat is always worth a cross check if being used to show a players worth. Another example from that season being Giroud's acrobatic effort against Palace, the cross from Ozil was actually going behind him but he improvised and scored.

[Power n Glory]

Both Chelsea games, United away, Southampton away

The reason we finished 2nd was because everyone had a terrible season City and Chelsea especially and because after missing out on the title Spurs gave up.

Count the FA Cup games against Man City and final against Chelsea last season. Besides an assist against Lincoln, he didn't do much across the comp.

Champs League - Nothing for both ties against PSG and nothing for both Bayern games.

Bar 2nd games against Ludogrets and Bayern, Sanchez scored or made an assist in every cup game he played.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So assists are about the goal scorer yet we also use the lack of assists as something to knock down a player over?

Just making sure we see that.


I'm well aware.

My two points are that a lot of fans have memories shorter than gnats in how they can forget things.

And also, stop putting individual players over the club. I blame Wenger for this because he has overindulge star players, starting with Fabregas.

No he's naused it up by getting players in who won't challenge his quioxtic methodology and chaotic management style and instead they just get fed up and want to leave.

The same mistakes, the same lack of learning from defeats. The same prevarication in the transfer market

Ozil will be fine when the team is ticking along nicely but he's not one to ever roll his sleeves up.

[Power n Glory]

Ozil only registered 3 or 4 assists after Christmas as well after looking nailed on to break Henry's record.

Plus, some of his "assists" were really all about the goal scorer. In that City game, Walcott bent it in the bottom corner from outside the box after receiving a 5 yard pass for example. Giroud's finish in that game was also very good after receiving a similar straightforward pass.

Same thing with the chance created stat often used. A 5 yard pass to a crowded out box that results in a shot being blocked is still counted as a chance. These aren't defence splitting chances that are putting players clean through but are getting fluffed. But it's presented that way whenever the stat is used. Had already this season with that bogus 10 chances created stat being thrown around.

[Letters]

On the other hand, I remember a game (Southampton?) which ended 0-0 and Ozil spent the whole sodding game putting over perfect cross after perfect cross none of which our inept attackers were unable to convert.
None of those would be counted in the assist stats, doesn't mean he wasn't doing his bit.
I guess in conclusion, stats don't paint the whole picture but I don't think they're meaningless either.

[Özim]

Let's be honest, there's no defending Ozil, he's not been great, he has good games but plenty of bad games.

For me though as I've always said he's not being used to his strengths and he needs better players around him to make the most of his talents, he's not a player who is going to take the game by the scruff of the neck and dominate, he's an additional cog that adds quality to an already decent team.

His talent is wasted with us, for Germany he seems to excel, he's at his best when running with the ball and counter attacking IMO something we rarely ever do.