Ozil OUT. Yes or yes?

[Power n Glory]

Maybe...not every chance Ozil has created has fallen to them? They've scored 8 and 17 goals respectively.
We haven't had Aubameyang all season, Lacazette hasn't played as much as he should have.
I think both are good strikers and I'm quite excited about our front line for next season.
The general point is Ozil has been creating plenty of chance this season, if those haven't turned into assists then it's bizarre to completely blame Ozil for that, the other player has to do their bit too.

I've already gone over this and posted a video of what counts as a chance created. Any chance created that results in a shot in target counts as a created chance. So if Ozil pulls a Hleb and cuts the ball back to a player that's getting charged down and the shot gets blocked, that still counts as a chance created.

It speaks nothing of the quality. Also, it's a worry if he can't find quality strikers like Aube and Laca to finish chances. For example, if he's creating chances for overlapping wingbacks to blast into the side netting that's not something to rave about. We often get so congested down the middle there is no where else to go but wide and it ends up at the feet of the least threatening player. Unless you're Monreal.

Same goes if he's taking corners that result in a tame header or something that goes well wide. Those aren't chances to write or home about. Most of what he creates doesn't put the key players into great positions.

[Marc Overmars]

I'll wait and see what a new coach can get out of him but I expect more of the same if I'm honest. The same flaky performances with the odd freak game where he'll get a few assists and "remind" everyone of his ability.

[Mac76]

I've already gone over this and posted a video of what counts as a chance created. Any chance created that results in a shot in target counts as a created chance. So if Ozil pulls a Hleb and cuts the ball back to a player that's getting charged down and the shot gets blocked, that still counts as a chance created.

It speaks nothing of the quality. Also, it's a worry if he can't find quality strikers like Aube and Laca to finish chances. For example, if he's creating chances for overlapping wingbacks to blast into the side netting that's not something to rave about. We often get so congested down the middle there is no where else to go but wide and it ends up at the feet of the least threatening player. Unless you're Monreal.

Same goes if he's taking corners that result in a tame header or something that goes well wide. Those aren't chances to write or home about. Most of what he creates doesn't put the key players into great positions.

i agree but you can't overestimate the extent to which Wenger nerfed our team through making them pass pass pass instead of being more direct, plus playing the wrong lineup half the time - noone would find it easy trying to get Walcott and Welbeck to score.

but that can't explain the time off and it seems odd tbh but maybe there's something we don't know about, all the same it does leave a bad taste in the mouth considering what he's paid

i do think another manager might be able to get better - and more - performances out of him, so we may as well wait and see.

to me he's clearly more of a confidence player than most and Wenger as we know isn't a good man manager

[Power n Glory]

Sorry, but our fucking club captain was clapped off the pitch over the weekend for taking the last 2 years off. Under Wenger this has been a very fucked up club. All change now and it seems reasonable to suggest that anyone who doesn't want to change is out. But letting the new guy get his feet under the desk is long way from making excuses for Ozil - which I didn't do btw, in fact I have been singling out his random holidays for weeks now.

Merts is at retirement age where he's more of liability on the pitch and has more use to us coaching behind the scenes. Ozil is in peak condition and these should be his best years. Are you really comparing the two situations?

Also, how many times do I have to repeat myself on this? I'm not saying we should sell Ozil before the new guy arrives, I'm saying Ozil needs to sort himself out when the new guy arrives. The amount of sick days he takes won't have gone unnoticed and the amount of no shows on the pitch will also be issue. Whoever takes over will either want to push him beyond the shite we've seen so far or show him the exit. Especially if it looks like he's not training hard and coasting during a game.

[Niall_Quinn]

Merts is at retirement age where he's more of liability on the pitch and has more use to us coaching behind the scenes. Ozil is in peak condition and these should be his best years. Are you really comparing the two situations?

Also, how many times do I have to repeat myself on this? I'm not saying we should sell Ozil before the new guy arrives, I'm saying Ozil needs to sort himself out when the new guy arrives. The amount of sick days he takes won't have gone unnoticed and the amount of no shows on the pitch will also be issue. Whoever takes over will either want to push him beyond the shite we've seen so far or show him the exit. Especially if it looks like he's not training hard and coasting during a game.

Of course it's the same thing. At what other club would you see any of this? The captain benched for 2 years writing about how he doesn't fancy playing any more and the star player on holiday all the time? It could only be Wenger's Arsenal.

Accountability. Wenger never had any and he never demanded any from his players either. A disaster that now has to be undone.

[Power n Glory]

Of course it's the same thing. At what other club would you see any of this? The captain benched for 2 years writing about how he doesn't fancy playing any more and the star player on holiday all the time? It could only be Wenger's Arsenal.

Accountability. Wenger never had any and he never demanded any from his players either. A disaster that now has to be undone.

As said, the lengths you go to justify Ozil's disappearing act. If you can't tell the difference between a player that's in peak physical condition choosing not to play because he doesn't fancy it over a player about to retire and taking on a player/coach role, I can't help you. It boils down to professional pride. You mention accountability but always fail to hold the players accountable.

[Niall_Quinn]

As said, the lengths you go to justify Ozil's disappearing act. If you can't tell the difference between a player that's in peak physical condition choosing not to play because he doesn't fancy it over a player about to retire and taking on a player/coach role, I can't help you. It boils down to professional pride. You mention accountability but always fail to hold the players accountable.

And what utility did they club get from either of the players when they were missing? And if Merts wasn't fit to play then why has he been on the payroll for the last 2 years? Professional pride? A far worse case of absence, but he's clapped off as a hero?

No, sorry. You need to defend your constant sniping at Ozil by insisting I have been excusing his absences when, in every recent match thread, you'll find posts by me to the contrary. This thread, even by your own admission, remains as irrelevant as ever because there's no way anything is happening with Ozil until the new guy gets in.

[Goonermerree]

Charity FC, that's Arsenal. So many players have been on our books for sentiment only. Per should have been gone a couple of years ago. The money we've paid him we could have got better defender in.Ozil shouldn't have been given such a pay rise and then be allowed to not play. It's not as if he plays half the time when he's on the pitch. He is a good player, but we can't afford passengers.

[Xhaka Can’t]

That is grounds for terminating his contract.