Match Reaction: Arsenal vs Man Utd - It Will Never Change While Wenger Haunts Us

[Özim]

iF this was a one off you could say we deserved better etc etc but it's a repeat of what we've been seeing for countless years, time and time again we get beaten in these big games, ironically coming into this one off a 5-0 win supposedly in good form our run is ended abruptly, in the end we're 2nd rate a good team doesn't make so many errors or big games, lack of focus, lack of quality, lack of tactics call it what you like but it's clear it's because something is wrong.

Even if we played well it's totally meaningless, 2-0 down after 11 minutes,, pull one back and Man U score again...then they go down to 10 and we can't get another goal......it's no coincidence, Mourinho is leagues ahead of Wenger, he came here and did a job and has done it many times before against better teams than us, he's a manager that gets results regardless of form, quality of opposition , he sets up his team, gets them playing as a unit and they get results and that's what counts in the end, not playing well and coming away with nothing. Man U had to win and he did.

So yes we might have played well, but who cares, it offers no comfort whatsoever as it's utterly meaningless. A club for losers.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I watched the first half, not good. Looked like we got overconfident in our abilities on the ball, particularly in back in the first 10 minutes and forgot to bother challenging.

Also, I managed to merge a thread without deleting it.

[Letters]

Also, I managed to merge a thread without deleting it.

You are the Arsene Wenger of mods, meeting minimum expectations of what a mod should be able to do

[Özim]

Watched a bit of AFTV, there really is no hope is there, we have a group of fans that still think we're unlucky despite seeing this time and time and time again for over a decade, they're like mini Wengers who are never willing to accept he's finished and that if you're "unlucky" all the time it's not due to bad luck anymore.

We could be 15 points behind City by the end of the day, 15 points and it's still a month until Christmas, once again miles away from the title, that's what counts, it's not bad luck, it's bad play!

No excuses, it's a team game both attack and defence have to work to win games like these, the defence had a shocker, we weren't unlucky, we were poor at the back, you're never going to win a big game if you give away two goals like this, a good team is built from the back and at the back we're rubbish, we're never going to pull off those shock resuls and beat superior teams in matches that matter without a top defence.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Watched a bit of AFTV, there really is no hope is there, we have a group of fans that still think we're unlucky despite seeing this time and time and time again for over a decade, they're like mini Wengers who are never willing to accept he's finished and that if you're "unlucky" all the time it's not due to bad luck anymore.

We could be 15 points behind City by the end of the day, 15 points and it's still a month until Christmas, once again miles away from the title, that's what counts, it's not bad luck, it's bad play!

No excuses, it's a team game both attack and defence have to work to win games like these, the defence had a shocker, we weren't unlucky, we were poor at the back, you're never going to win a big game if you give away two goals like this, a good team is built from the back and at the back we're rubbish, we're never going to pull off those shock resuls and beat superior teams in matches that matter without a top defence.

So if people don’t agree with me they must be pliant morons

Defensively we were horrible but we had 33 shots on goal, 15 on target They weren’t containing us we were all over them

I think tactically you’re right we have fallen for it again, but take away the defence the team performance was good. You can blame Wenger and the two defenders for being 2-0 down inside 12 minutes and that fucked the rest of the game

But it was hardly an insipid performance from there on in, and these fans can only comment on what they’ve seen on the pitch

[McNamara That Ghost...]

You are the Arsene Wenger of mods, meeting minimum expectations of what a mod should be able to do

I've been called a cunt on here too.

[Özim]

So if people don’t agree with me they must be pliant morons

Defensively we were horrible but we had 33 shots on goal, 15 on target They weren’t containing us we were all over them

I think tactically you’re right we have fallen for it again, but take away the defence the team performance was good. You can blame Wenger and the two defenders for being 2-0 down inside 12 minutes and that fucked the rest of the game

But it was hardly an insipid performance from there on in, and these fans can only comment on what they’ve seen on the pitch

No got no problem with people disagreeing, but after a decade of basically the same thing happening surely you have to wake up and smell the coffee, it's not a one off, we see the same thing season after season, our limitations are not really up for debate anymore surely now?

33 shots and only scored 1, over the years we've heard many times how their keeper was their best player, the thing is there was also some very poor finishing, something Man U didn't suffer from, yes we played well but at the end of the day we were horrible defensively and didn't put our chances away.

In the end performance is meaningless without the result and time and time again we fail to get the result when the other team has something to play for. As for blame, happens with too much regularity not to blame the manager, we gave away chances against Huddersfield but they couldn't take them but the better teams do, so it's nothing new, it's 100% Wengers fault we're rubbish in defence, the mistakes comes from lack of quality, tactics, focus, motivation and that's all down to Wenger, these aren't one offs.

I don't agree, it's not about what happens on the pitch anymore, it's about what is happening at this club, this season we're probably going to be 15 points away from Man City by the end of today, so out of the title race well before Christmas and a decent performance in a game we lost really doesn't change anything. We've turned a 1000 corners (we do every 3 matches these days), problem is there's never any light at the end of the tunnel it's just a constant loop.

[Bumble]

despite the result it was actually a really good game. de gea is a quality keeper so those saves are more expected I think so its not what has gone on before where we make an average keeper a superstar. in fact something like the sanchez or lacazette chance would have actually resulted in a goal against a more modest keeper.

[AFC Leveller]

Koscielny was so amateurish on the 3rd goal, what was he doing? he tried to barge Pogba off the ball and he ended up being rolled like a kid. All he needed to do there was stand his ground and move Pogba away form our goal.

That 3rd goal was the killer because we were peppering their goal.

[Özim]

If we'd won 3-1 and Man U had peppered our goal with 33 shots, would any of us give a damn? No we'd be happy we got the points and wouldn't care about the performance. Couldn't care less if we'd created 100 chances, once again we lost.