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    Quote Originally Posted by Goonermerree View Post
    I don't think Ozil justifies the wages he's been given, I'm sure we could have got somebody better in for those wages. We just didn't have to pay a huge transfer fee for him so we kept him on the 'cheap'.
    We might have had trouble attracting a better player if Ozil followed Alexis out the door. No decent player would look at our average team sheet and choose to come here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    We might have had trouble attracting a better player if Ozil followed Alexis out the door. No decent player would look at our average team sheet and choose to come here.
    I don't think Ozil leaving or staying will impact that either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ View Post
    I’m sorry you are mistaken. Wenger very much gets directly involved in contract negotiations

    I don’t think you seem to realise the absolute power grab Wenger made when the likes of Dein and Edelman left, what he does at the club goes far beyond any normal manager.

    He was the one who implemented the socialist wage structure that had people like Bendtner on 50k a week

    There was interest in Ozil but if clubs had wanted him that much, he’d be gone

    And the Joachim Low rumours are just that. Totally unsubstantiated
    You're conflating his power/authority with him being omnipresent.

    Wenger does get final say on nearly everything at the club (or certainly used to until recent changes) including how the wage system should operate, but outside of telling a player whether he has a future or not at the club & perhaps telling them directly whether he wants them to stay, he doesn't get into the technical details of contracts. He's just one man ffs who can't be everywhere doing nearly everything at the club. That's left to Dick Law, Ivan etc who meet with the player representatives and really hammer out the details to convince them to stay which is where the assurances would have been given I suspect.

    And you can't be telling me that another top club wouldn't have picked up Ozil on a FREE? I mean just for marketing purposes he's valuable asset - he's got more twitter followers than the club. The likes of PSG, Man Utd, Chelsea, Juventus etc would have been all over him.

    Of course. The club are hardly going to admit to them or give them any credence at this stage are they? As I said above, they've got too much respect for Wenger to dismiss him until at least the summer. But it's the timing of them that was very convenient - they came straight after Ozil resigned.


    Quote Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur View Post
    How do we know Ozil could have got the same wages anywhere else? It was dead quiet for him over the summer and his agent would have been putting out the feelers to see how much he could get for a deal. Ozil has been underwhelming here at Arsenal and not many clubs are looking for a number 10 like Ozil. It's a position that's evolved in football and I doubt clubs would have been looking at his recent performances here at Arsenal and thinking he's worth £350k a week.

    Wenger was the one saying Ozil was likely to stay. How comes Sanchez left? How comes other players haven't signed a deal if the word is going around about Wenger's departure?
    He'd be on a free PnG which means he would have got a lot higher wages than had he been bought with a transfer fee as that would have just either gone into a signing on bonus or higher wages. That's usually how these things work - I think Kolosanic is on ridiculously high wages here for the same reason.

    And I don't disagree that he's been underwhelming which is why no one was prepared to pay a fee for him, but as I said to HCZ plenty of clubs would have taken him on a free.

    There's no doubt he's a very talented player and like a lot of players at the club currently, we're not getting the best out of him due to Wenger's incompetence. A change of club could have caused him to flourish. And 10's may be falling out of favour but talented, skillful players like Ozil are always valuable - Man City have the likes of De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogen regularly featuring for them in their lineup. Ozil on his day is as good if not better than them.



    I thought it was clear Sanchez went for money primarily. Only about 3 or 4 clubs in the world can offer 600k a week and we're certainly not one of them. Jack's stalling because we've offered him lower wages and Ramsey has apparently just changed agents so we have to wait around a bit to get him resigned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico View Post
    You're conflating his power/authority with him being omnipresent.

    Wenger does get final say on nearly everything at the club (or certainly used to until recent changes) including how the wage system should operate, but outside of telling a player whether he has a future or not at the club & perhaps telling them directly whether he wants them to stay, he doesn't get into the technical details of contracts. He's just one man ffs who can't be everywhere doing nearly everything at the club. That's left to Dick Law, Ivan etc who meet with the player representatives and really hammer out the details to convince them to stay which is where the assurances would have been given I suspect.

    And you can't be telling me that another top club wouldn't have picked up Ozil on a FREE? I mean just for marketing purposes he's valuable asset - he's got more twitter followers than the club. The likes of PSG, Man Utd, Chelsea, Juventus etc would have been all over him.

    Of course. The club are hardly going to admit to them or give them any credence at this stage are they? As I said above, they've got too much respect for Wenger to dismiss him until at least the summer. But it's the timing of them that was very convenient - they came straight after Ozil resigned.




    He'd be on a free PnG which means he would have got a lot higher wages than had he been bought with a transfer fee as that would have just either gone into a signing on bonus or higher wages. That's usually how these things work - I think Kolosanic is on ridiculously high wages here for the same reason.

    And I don't disagree that he's been underwhelming which is why no one was prepared to pay a fee for him, but as I said to HCZ plenty of clubs would have taken him on a free.

    There's no doubt he's a very talented player and like a lot of players at the club currently, we're not getting the best out of him due to Wenger's incompetence. A change of club could have caused him to flourish. And 10's may be falling out of favour but talented, skillful players like Ozil are always valuable - Man City have the likes of De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogen regularly featuring for them in their lineup. Ozil on his day is as good if not better than them.



    I thought it was clear Sanchez went for money primarily. Only about 3 or 4 clubs in the world can offer 600k a week and we're certainly not one of them. Jack's stalling because we've offered him lower wages and Ramsey has apparently just changed agents so we have to wait around a bit to get him resigned.

    I’m sorry but again you are wrong, Wenger is a micro manager and when it comes to how much a player is going to earn it would not happen without his prior consent. On a footballing level he controls EVERYTHING, he’s the first person at London Colney and the last person there at night.

    Why do you think he won’t go? This is his life there is nothing else for him.

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    @TEG it still doesn't make sense. If Ozil could earn more money elsewhere plus play for a better team and a new manager, why would he sign a new deal with Arsenal based off a flimsy promise that Wenger will go? Why take the risk? Anything could happen after signing that deal. Such as this scenario right here where he's wasted another season. I don't believe any promises were made to him about Wenger's future and I don't think there were any other clubs out there willing to pay him what we paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur View Post
    @TEG it still doesn't make sense. If Ozil could earn more money elsewhere plus play for a better team and a new manager, why would he sign a new deal with Arsenal based off a flimsy promise that Wenger will go? Why take the risk? Anything could happen after signing that deal. Such as this scenario right here where he's wasted another season. I don't believe any promises were made to him about Wenger's future and I don't think there were any other clubs out there willing to pay him what we paid.
    That sounds about right to me.

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