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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Not only that, if we focused more on winning than losing, we'd be higher in the table.
    Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall Quinn View Post
    If we won more games than City we probably would be top. We just need to sort out that discrepancy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Whatever. If we had a similar set of results away from home we'd be in the top 4. You get the same number of points for beating any of the sides.
    IF you're pushing for the title then these 6 pointers become important, right now let's focus on getting back in the top 4, our home form is more than good enough to, our away form is pretty much relegation form.
    Sort out that discrepancy and we'll start competing again.
    So many years of making the bare minimum the pinnacle of our ambition. So let's do the same thing and see if we get a different result.

    What makes you assume the away form is the anomaly, rather than the home form?

    We are fucking fortunate Wenger didn't get the extra year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    What makes you assume the away form is the anomaly, rather than the home form?
    Interesting. OK, that's a fairly good point.
    I guess it's the quality of our squad. I think we're better than our away form suggests.
    Well, we definitely are. Our away form is pretty much relegation form, we're clearly not a squad which should be anywhere near the relegation zone.
    And in the last two seasons our away form has been significantly better than this year.

    https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...une-2017/away/
    https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...une-2016/away/

    Where our home form has been consistently good in other years:

    https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...une-2017/home/
    https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...une-2016/home/

    So our home form is a bit better than usual, but there's not a huge gap. Our away form has dropped off a cliff this year, so I see that as the anomaly.
    Home and away point split over the last 3 seasons:

    40 - 31
    45 - 30
    47 - 13

    It's clearly the 13 which is the significant difference from other seasons.

    (Careful, this could just develop into a sensible conversation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Whatever. If we had a similar set of results away from home we'd be in the top 4. You get the same number of points for beating any of the sides.
    IF you're pushing for the title then these 6 pointers become important, right now let's focus on getting back in the top 4, our home form is more than good enough to, our away form is pretty much relegation form.
    Sort out that discrepancy and we'll start competing again.
    If we had a similar set of results at home as we did away. Where would that leave us?

    And had Wenger stayed on, what would be more likely? Our away form improving to match our home form and the resulting glory?

    Or would it likely go the other way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Interesting. OK, that's a fairly good point.
    I guess it's the quality of our squad. I think we're better than our away form suggests.
    Well, we definitely are. Our away form is pretty much relegation form, we're clearly not a squad which should be anywhere near the relegation zone.
    And in the last two seasons our away form has been significantly better than this year.

    https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...une-2017/away/
    https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...une-2016/away/

    Where our home form has been consistently good in other years:

    https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...une-2017/home/
    https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...une-2016/home/

    So our home form is a bit better than usual, but there's not a huge gap. Our away form has dropped off a cliff this year, so I see that as the anomaly.
    Home and away point split over the last 3 seasons:

    40 - 31
    45 - 30
    47 - 13

    It's clearly the 13 which is the significant difference from other seasons.

    (Careful, this could just develop into a sensible conversation)
    The 13 points is anomalous in reference to prior years. But it's future years we are speculating about. Certainly, we have a squad that should be doing much better than this. But they aren't. 7 away losses in a row is almost unbelievable. It represents a complete collapse on the road. Complete. And the manger has done nothing notable to turn the tide. He's pretty much stuck to the same policy of randomly rotating the line-up, playing players out of position, the slow tempo possession game and the catastrophically flawed zonal defensive "system" that has failed like clockwork. We already have a decent theory on why there might be such a divergence in results home and away. On the road our opponents come after us. At home they show us too much respect, probably because they remember what sort of team we used to be rather than see us for what we are now. Weak. With a negative mentality.

    I've said it in the past and the evidence strongly favours the idea we win when the opposition suits us. When they mass behind the ball and let us tip and tap it around we generally find a way through against the weaker defences. But when the opposition presses or plays an effective counter attacking game we are almost sure to lose.

    The question is, having seen this awful away form and given a summer to analyse the games (if so inclined) what's to say most of the managers in the PL would not reach the easy conclusion it is better to pressure us rather than let us play - home or away?

    It's all moot anyway because Wenger is leaving. But, if he was staying and I had to bet, I'd put money on our home form getting worse with the away form improving (because it can't possibly get worse). I'd predict an 8th, 9th maybe 10th place finish with a handful of wins both home and away against the weaker teams. That seems more realistic than suggesting we'd hold up the home form and then significantly improve the away form too. And it all fits in with the evidence of steady decline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall Quinn View Post
    If we had a similar set of results at home as we did away. Where would that leave us?
    2nd, which is a damn site better than where we are now.

    And had Wenger stayed on, what would be more likely? Our away form improving to match our home form and the resulting glory?
    Or would it likely go the other way?
    As I've said above I think it's our away form this year which is the real outlier.
    Our home form this year is actually better than the last 2 years, our away form is a complete car crash and by a distance the worst we've ever done under Wenger.
    I doubt that would be repeated. So I think had he stayed we'd probably be less bad away from home next year, perhaps not quite as good at home and overall we wouldn't be title contenders.
    But I've long since been in the Wenger Out camp, I think the Wenger In camp is pretty much one tent with Ty in it these days.
    I'm hoping a new manager will push us in the right direction, we've got the squad to compete much better than we have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Hopefully we can at least pub something at Huddersfield. This pitiful record needs to do one so we and the new manager can start with a clean slate next season. Don’t want this remnant of Wenger hanging over us all summer.
    Huddersfield will easily do us, they 've drawn against Citeh and Chelski away in their last two games

    Arsenal at their ground will be a walk in the park for them

    Wenger really couldn't be leaving soon enough

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    I think Huddersfield will be fucked from those two games. They worked unbelievably hard in both ties with little of the ball and having to cover a lot of ground, chasing, organising and defending.

    Both of their points were achieved through heart and hard work. They then cancelled their flight and went back by coach so they could drink beer.

    Lots and lots of beer.
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