Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
No, I'm just not 14. You'll see me after school will you? What kind of adult talks like this?
As I said violence, like insults, is the sign of a lost argument. How about we stick to jaw jaw.
Yes, because you said: "But now, according to you, I'm the one who made it local."You pick out posts and ignore all the others about Canada, the US, Italy, Germany, France, Australia
So I just pointed out the post where you did just that. You were very clearly talking about what would happen in this country.
But it's a good thing you were wrong, isn't it? Did you want those things to happen?
Obviously I care more about what happens in this country than others. OK, so other countries went more authoritarian than ours did.
I'm glad Boris never quite went that way.
BUT in all countries where that happened the level of restrictions has varied over time as the data has, as it has here. I think Italy was a country where there was a literal curfew and you had to fill in a form if you wanted to go out.
But, like here, that was a response to a situation. You can argue whether it was the right response, it feels too draconian for my liking. But it's not happening now. It wasn't part of a one way slide into an authoritarian regime.
I have a friend in Rome I can ask but I think right now it's been pretty much business as usual for a while, it definitely has been at times.
That is not the context in which you said it. You said it in the context of checkpoints.You post up a quote, "Your papers please!", as if covid passports aren't front and centre.
But I agree, I don't think there should be covid passports or "no jab, no job". And OK, you got the covid passports thing right. But stop pretending your foresight was 20:20, I've highlighted plenty of other things you got wrong.
I actually don't. I mean, I'd prefer it if you stopped the silly insults and threats, but those make you look foolish, not me.You don't have a problem with me
What's happening all around me is things are basically normal again, for now. I've been to the theatre with the boy a couple of times in the last week (The GruffaloZog
Some people were wearing masks but most weren't. Church is running again normally - has been for a while actually, but we've dispensed with the masks now.
The office is open if I want to go in to work (I don't). Basically everything is open now.
Right now there are no restrictions on my day to day freedoms - that's what I care about. Sure, there's some complication if I wanted to travel abroad but it depends where you want to go. Some friends left for a holiday in Spain today.
I do think Covid passports are problematic. I think there's a pretty decent chance of more restrictions being imposed over this winter. The Spanish Flu had 4 waves over a couple of years. The difference this time is the vaccine so maybe things will be better but we'll see. But the main point is this is all temporary. It's a response to a situation. If it wasn't then why have the restrictions varied over time and correlated with the data?
We don't have an authoritarian government, I don't think we are likely to have one. And you do know this - you were the one who at the height of the first lockdown noted that people were going about their day to day business and ignoring the rules. Did those people all end up in internment camps or incarcerated? There are some things of concern, but I don't believe we're slipping into this dystopian nightmare you imagine. The government might not be bending over backwards to help you but I don't think they're trying to control you to the extent you imagine either. If they are then they're doing a pretty lousy job of it.
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