Coronavirus Pandemic

[Niall_Quinn]

Because of the things he posts.
For example, the post I've quoted "Ireland reimposing restrictions despite 93% vaccination, still think this is going to end?".
His rhetoric was that the restrictions and lockdowns were here to stay. Because ItS aLl AbOuT cOnTrOl.
Was it? Really? It was about control, was it? So "they" wanted to control the minutiae of our lives, did they?
Whether we can go to weddings. Whether we can go to the theatre or pubs.
Whether we can hug our relatives. The powers that be wanted to control things like that in such an extreme way.

But they only wanted to control that for a certain period of time and then...what, they just decided they didn't want to do that any more and it was back to BAU? There is, of course, an alternative explanation. Maybe, and bear with me here, but just maybe they were doing things in an attempt to prevent the spread of a new disease which seemed to be killing a lot of people. As I said about a MILLION TIMES, we can talk about whether the restrictions were the right ones. I think most people, looking back, would say "No they bloody weren't". Even at the time most of us were calling bullshit on extended lockdowns when the data was showing that Covid really wasn't that dangerous for most people. But the "It's all about control" narrative makes zero sense given the fact that all the restrictions have ended now. And given that they have ended, Wengerbabies got it wrong, didn't he? There's no debate to be had there. He said these things wouldn't end. They ended. To me it was obvious at the time he was going to be wrong but ok, let's accept that none of us know the future for sure. But what's his reaction to being wrong? It's to just double down: "Conditioning for the climate lockdowns to come" and

So yeah. He's silly.

If someone makes wild predictions and they're shown to be wrong then they should at least have the grace to admit it. While we're here, it wouldn't hurt if they took a moment to have a think about why they got it so wrong. If someone said during the height of the pandemic that curfews "weren't far away", for example, and went on to say that there would need to be checkpoints to enforce them then when none of that materialises it would be pretty silly of them to refuse to admit they were wrong, wouldn't it?
The reason people like Wengerbabies get these things wrong, if you're interested, is that their worldview involves such an extreme distrust of authority and "the mainstream" that it leads them to pretty wild conclusions. The mystery is why they don't compare their predictions to unfolding events, realise they were wrong and conclude it's because their underlying assumptions were wrong.


People watching YouTube channels or reading blogs they agree with isn't them "informing themselves". They're not "doing their own research".
I don't have contempt for people who do that. I just think they're silly. Especially when the conclusions they come to are demonstrably wrong.


The test of a good model is it's ability to explain things and make predictions.
My model if reality - that we have incompetent and self-serving leaders, but they're not hell-bent on controlling the minutiae of our lives - led me to believe that the restrictions, while misguided, were attempts by an inept government to deal with "a situation". I expected the restrictions to change as the situation did - which is what happened. I didn't expect them to persist indefinitely and they didn't, although they did go on longer than I thought they would.
Wengerbabies' model seems to be that "they" are out to get us. Models like that do lend themselves to conclusions like indefinite restrictions - which isn't what happened - or that, say, they are "gearing up for marshal law". If someone's distrust of authority is extreme enough then it leads then to hear about the army delivering tests door to door in Birmingham and concluding from the fact they're in uniform that it's to "get us used to the presence of the army on the streets". I mean, obviously a silly conclusion, but it's one which certain extreme worldviews can lead you to.
So I'm pretty content that my model of reality is closer to the truth than his.


I haven't really but you're welcome to post the relevant papers.
Although I'm sceptical of your ability to draw the right conclusions from them given your track record.
I'm quite content to believe you do a lot more reading than I do. But you've shown your ability to draw valid conclusions is suspect.
I'd cite your proclamation that the WHO admitted that the PCR tests didn't work. The reality, looking at the WHO site at the time you posted that, is that they basically said "RTFM" and that when used properly they were the most accurate tests. Your claim about what the WHO said was so detached from the reality of what they actually said. And it's the same reason as Wengerbabies. Your underlying worldview is to be so suspicious of authority and "the mainstream" it renders you incapable of drawing the correct conclusions from the stuff you read and see. And then you strut around here claiming that you're the one who "knows what's going on". It is you who have contempt for most of us.

No, so you haven't been keeping up. But you still feel entitled to push whatever you are instructed to by your spongiform, malleable and frightened brain. I posted 2 years ago the real death toll was between 6-12.5 percent of what the BBC was scare running. Because the Italians crunched the numbers and had no agenda to protect so they blurted out the truth. But the BBC doubled down anyway. And you, like a fly to shit, landed on every deposit.

Bad news for you - yeah sure there are still millions of you. But one of us is worth 10 of you because you are all cowards. And we're almost at the tipping point. The theatre of the absurd is starting to come into view as a growing mass tugs at the curtain.

I'll just sit back and wait for you to tell me all about it, as if you'd known it all along.

Jesus, what a fucking pathetic weakling.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ah yes, wasn’t that another one of your predictions? Boosters every 6 months for life.
I can’t remember the last time I was contacted about that. How about you?

You can thank us later. You really think people like you would have pushed back on big pharma and made them settle for the hundreds of billions they already stole? You think if everyone was like you we wouldn't be boosted up the arse every 15 minutes?

[Niall_Quinn]

oh no don't tell me you're a conspiracy theorist too... tell us, who's behind the Big Plot? the Illuminati? the lizard people?

Yup, he is. He's one of those nutters that believes government and voracious profit corporations haven't got our best interests at heart and are all out for themselves.

What a fucking nutter.

Hit him some more to prove to the master how dependable you are.

Here's my boot. Lick it. Love it.

[Letters]

You can thank us later. You really think people like you would have pushed back on big pharma and made them settle for the hundreds of billions they already stole? You think if everyone was like you we wouldn't be boosted up the arse every 15 minutes?

I haven’t had a single booster
You actually think it was conspiracy theory nutters that changed things?

[Niall_Quinn]

I haven’t had a single booster
You actually think it was conspiracy theory nutters that changed things?

Dumb as a plank, aren't you? Totally mind washed.

The "conspiracy theory nutters", who are they? The "experts" who collaborated to claim the bat flu came from a wet market? Yet can't find a single shred of evidence to support their "facts"?

No, I get it. The "conspiracy theory nutters" are the not-for-hire experts behind, for example, the Great Barrington Declaration. The one's who remembered their science and retained their integrity. And why are they "conspiracy nutters"?

Well, that's obvious, because they spoke out against authority. And we can't have that, can we?

Go and wait in the corner until your master summons you.

[Mac76]

Dumb as a plank, aren't you? Totally mind washed.

The "conspiracy theory nutters", who are they? The "experts" who collaborated to claim the bat flu came from a wet market? Yet can't find a single shred of evidence to support their "facts"?

No, I get it. The "conspiracy theory nutters" are the not-for-hire experts behind, for example, the Great Barrington Declaration. The one's who remembered their science and retained their integrity. And why are they "conspiracy nutters"?

Well, that's obvious, because they spoke out against authority. And we can't have that, can we?

Go and wait in the corner until your master summons you.

you want facts?

1. There was an illness - we know that because many people caught it - including many people I know
2. If everyone had caught it at the same time, the NHS would have been overwhelmed
3. So we needed some kind of counter policy - admittedly our government fucked it up and so did most in some way or other, but some kind of restrictons and some kind of alleviating medicine (whether or not it is technically a 'vaccine') was needed
4. I wore a mask out of doors and I took the original 'vaccine' and i think one booster (possibly two but i can't remember) and I didn't get covid nor suffered much in the way of side effects - it was undoubtedly the case for most people

It's all passed now, there's not (and never has been) the army in the streets, yes the pharma companies and a few government cronies did well out of it but was it some big conspiracy? - well i think i've said this before but i'm amazed you think our bunch of lazy, stupid and ignorant governing politicians have got the ability to cook up and enact something like that - trust me it's totally beyond them

[Letters]

The "conspiracy theory nutters", who are they?

They're people who heard about the army going door to door delivering Covid tests and inferred that it was to "get us used to the presence of military forces on our streets" rather than, y'know, thinking maybe they were in uniform because they wear uniform as part of their work.
They're people who saw the 10pm pub curfew being introduced (admittedly a stupid policy) and inferred from it that general curfews were "not far away" and that would require checkpoints.
They're people who watch YouTube videos which deliberately misrepresent or even completely misquote articles to make it sound like they say the exact opposite of what they actually say, or videos which quote data extremely selectively, deliberately leaving out other data to make it look like it supports conclusions which don't stack up if you look at the wider context. And then when all that is pointed out it just bounces off them.
They're people who see the WHO state that the PCR tests need to be done properly and that if they are then they're the most accurate tests and claim the WHO are admitting the tests don't work.
They're people who claim that the lockdowns will never end and then, when they end, just double down and start talking about "climate lockdowns" rather than admitting they were wrong.
They're people who are so distrustful of authority and the mainstream that they think that "they" are out to get us.
They're people who believe there are only two possible positions - you either want all authority crushed and government scrapped or you're blindly subservient to it.
What a strange black and white way to see the world.

Wengerbabies isn't "one of those nutters that believes government and voracious profit corporations haven't got our best interests at heart and are all out for themselves"
Because that's not a "nutter" position at all. Most people acknowledge that those in government are incompetent, self-serving and corrupt. Not all of them, in my view, but it's far more prevalent than it should be.
And of course corporations don't have our best interests at heart, why should they have? Corporations aren't altruistic, they exist to make money. BUT they only do that if they're providing services or products people want or need.
BUT, they're not out to get us, they're not hell-bent on oppression and control. The conspiracy theory nutters say things like this:

Hands up who thinks full blown tyranny usually arrives on a Monday morning and goes full Joe Stalin by Monday night? And if it doesn't get done in a day, and is gradually phased in over time, is that still tyranny, or just a series of "reasonable" steps. To keep you safe?

They see Covid restrictions and conclude that it's the start of that tyranny and part of phasing in that control over time.
The really curious thing is when none of the above materialises - when instead of the military on our streets, general curfews and checkpoints we actually go back to BAU - the conspiracy theory nutters don't stop and think about why they got it wrong. They don't even admit they got things wrong. They just move on to the next conspiracy - climate change, the 2020 election, the Ukraine situation, pick your poison.

But they did get it wrong. Demonstrably. Unless the military are in camouflage and very well hidden.
And the reason they got it wrong is simple - the underlying assumptions which led them to those wild conclusions are wrong.
But I guess when that's your whole worldview it's hard to admit that to yourself, let alone anyone else.
So they go on thinking they're the ones who know "what's going on" and that the rest of us are the saps buying in to the mainstream view of things.
Even though the mainstream view was that the restrictions were a response to a pandemic, that the response would change as the situation did and that when the restrictions were no longer needed then they would be removed.
Which is what happened.
Weird, innit?

[Niall_Quinn]

Look at you two. Every dance move in the book to jive around the answer I gave to a direct question. Same as your 97% consensus bullshit. It's super important to avoid all discussion of people who are just as expert as the ones who took money to shill for the state. We all know the real world is "experts" in authority (good guys) versus Niall Quinn.

The moves guys. Smooth.

[The Wengerbabies]

you want facts?

1. There was an illness - we know that because many people caught it - including many people I know
2. If everyone had caught it at the same time, the NHS would have been overwhelmed
3. So we needed some kind of counter policy - admittedly our government fucked it up and so did most in some way or other, but some kind of restrictons and some kind of alleviating medicine (whether or not it is technically a 'vaccine') was needed
4. I wore a mask out of doors and I took the original 'vaccine' and i think one booster (possibly two but i can't remember) and I didn't get covid nor suffered much in the way of side effects - it was undoubtedly the case for most people

It's all passed now, there's not (and never has been) the army in the streets, yes the pharma companies and a few government cronies did well out of it but was it some big conspiracy? - well i think i've said this before but i'm amazed you think our bunch of lazy, stupid and ignorant governing politicians have got the ability to cook up and enact something like that - trust me it's totally beyond them

Just lol at your "facts"

Absence of military presence in our streets doesn't validate the restrictions. This absence might be influencing us to perceive our situation as reasonable. However, it's crucial to remember that while we didn't experience extreme measures like military intervention, other countries did. Australia deployed the military, and Canada even froze protestors' bank accounts. Our situation could have easily taken a different turn, and the absence of such extreme actions should be seen as fortunate rather than a measure of justification. The casual dismissal of what transpired is disconcerting.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just lol at your "facts"

Absence of military presence in our streets doesn't validate the restrictions. This absence might be influencing us to perceive our situation as reasonable. However, it's crucial to remember that while we didn't experience extreme measures like military intervention, other countries did. Australia deployed the military, and Canada even froze protestors' bank accounts. Our situation could have easily taken a different turn, and the absence of such extreme actions should be seen as fortunate rather than a measure of justification. The casual dismissal of what transpired is disconcerting.

Tbf, I have a cat and it doesn't seem in the least bit bothered about what went on during the covid project. So the Covidians aren't alone in dismissing anything that's not related to them getting fed and fucked.

Don't like my cat much. Stupid animal.