It is interesting, but people will have to face reality sooner or later.
Or they will just double down on the conspiracy noncesense. I know which is more likely.
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It is interesting, but people will have to face reality sooner or later.
Or they will just double down on the conspiracy noncesense. I know which is more likely.
NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.
If they dont take it to court, then Biden wins (although given the way its going so far, even going to court is meaning Biden wins)Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Of course they'll double down. This is what I'm finding interesting, we're seeing it play out in real time - I've seen it in other people too.
The starting point is: Trump was robbed. There's loads of evidence.
But none is ever presented - nothing credible, anyway. It's a mess of people who think they saw a thing or don't understand how elections work. Then there's a few wild conspiracy theories which have been easily debunked.
Ultimately the fact this all keeps getting laughed out of court is surely a good indication of the reality.
But rather the reality being accepted, they just double down and go deeper down the conspiracy theory rabbit holes. Now Powell has been "frightened off", it's not that she's spouting a load of bullshit and has nothing. Even Tucker Carlson is calling her our on it. Tucker Carlson ffs!
It'll go to the court, the procedural and constitutional aspects of the case which Trump will win. Don't confuse cases being brought by private individuals with allegations of fraud. The majority of the campaign's cases so far are related to time essential rulings or election related legislation set by individual states. Unsurprisingly, most of the rulings have either been defeated due to counts having concluded or dismissed prior to evidentiary hearings by the same state apparatus that rigged the election. Trump has to get through thee crooked courts in order to appeal. The media confuses this by reporting non-campaign cases and cases that will be appealed and necessarily moved up as losses.
The media also fails to report, or apologises for, the obscene intimidation that has been directed against Trump's legal teams. Trump has every right to challenge the results of a most obviously rigged election. He has a right to use the courts as part of the process to ensure the result of the election is reported correctly. The left has no right to intimidate or coerce the lawyers undertaking this work. But it demonstrates the nature of the people trying to seize power by any means.
One of the lawyers, Powell, who had already done a good job exposing the corruption of the FBI in the Flynn matter, and has already been subjected to a supposedly impartial judge, Sullivan, and his outrageous tactics, was responsible for gathering the evidence that demonstrates widespread fraud. She was doing another good job, tracking down the statistical anomalies and deviations that would have supported the large body of testimony to show how the fraud was conducted on the ground. Then, suddenly, she shifted her focus as far away from that essential matter as possible and started talking about different countries and attacking pro-Trump officials. Either she's had a nervous breakdown under the pressure or, far more likely the left has managed to intimidate her as well. Somebody else will step up and bring things back on track. But again, it shows that certain parties will go to any lengths to stop one basic procedure happening.
In all of the disputed states that one procedure is the audit. We've had recounts that recount the fraudulent ballots. This is more theatre for the left. It adds to the narrative of lost cases to build a picture of a challenge to the stolen election that can't possibly succeed. This is far from being the truth. Provided Trump can get audits in all the relevant states, and provided he can appeal on procedural and constitutional law all the way to the Supreme Court, he has a very good chance of overturning the steal. He already has 4 votes in the bag and a 5th available. However, it's not purely a legal battle. There's the vile, illegal fight that has been waged relentlessly. Cancel culture, threats, intimidation, violence and an absolute refusal to do the one thing that would sort this out once and for all, the audit, that's the left's claim to the win. The Constitution, the law, proper counts examining the ballots in the presence of observers, this is Trump's claim.
The media can spin it any way they want, and they will and they have, but it's very easy to see the positions of both parties and examine the tactics they use. Incidentally, if that Congressman is right, and he has two sources supporting him now, if the election data flowed outside the borders of the US on election night a third party comes into play, the federal government, and then the left is in deep shit. Trump already planned for this possibility with his executive order on 2018. Ironically, partly because the left was screaming so loudly about election fraud. The same left that now claims there is no election fraud. Again, you can easily see what these people are all about.
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And there it is.
The original claim: The election has been stolen. The evidence for widespread fraud is strong.
The reality: There is no credible evidence. There's a lot of people signing affidavits who don't understand how elections work or who claim they "saw a thing", there's a lot of easily debunked conspiracy theories. But that's about it.
Courts are rejecting all the cases because for all Trump's team's bluster, when they get in front of a judge - someone who has to consider evidence and facts, not hearsay and ALL CAPS TWEETS. When they get there and they're under oath, they've got nothing.
But to the conspiracy theorist rather than considering they might be wrong, the fact courts are ruling the way they do is because they are part of the conspiracy
It's Cognitive Dissonance 101.
Anyone wanting to examine the desperately alleged "conspiracy theory" regarding the bias of some courts (not all, of course) might want to review what has essentially (and ridiculously) become Flynn vs (judge [sic]) Sullivan, one of the most egregious abuses of power and the law in legal history. The cover-up and fake/ low information smear merchants in the media/ social media and here on this forum will tell you that such abuses don't exist. But you can simply go and read the transcripts and rulings to see for yourself. Or you can examine their attitudes to Justices Amy Coney Barrett or Brett Kavanaugh where, suddenly (and in an actual demonstration of cognitive dissonance) bias immediately springs back to life.
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You might also consider that an "impartial" judge has already summarily ruled that Trump's campaign was not disadvantaged due to election watchers being excluded from the count because ALL watchers were excluded. Now technically (provided the main claim of fraud is removed and assuming an entirely fair election) this could be torturously twisted into truth. However, any reasonable person would laugh the judge out of his own court. Added to that, the media will then chime up and highlight the judge's interrogation of the plaintiff demanding "proof" that fraud was observed, yet knowing full-well observers were excluded. The left is claiming such political, as opposed to legal or lawful, meanderings in lower courts represent some sort of victory that has some chance of standing should the cases be appealed to higher courts. If they were honest you could say they are mistaken, but they aren't honest in any way. They're just bathing the audience in lies, misdirection and propaganda.
The simple remedy is to count and audit the votes WITH watchers present from all sides (including independents and other candidates btw, as they never get a mention). This is the outcome the left is fighting tooth and nail to prevent. Instead they prefer to simply claim no fraud occurred, declare their man the winner and brush it all under the carpet. For the good of the nation, you understand? What they repeatedly fail to realise is the Trump campaign has every right to pursue legal action as has been the case with many U.S. elections in the past, including those which the left used to secure power btw. Now it is apparently dangerous and immoral to follow the legislated course of action. The tune changes according to the circumstances.
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Michigan certifies.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ctory-khv2myl5
Trump doesn’t exactly concede but he does start to act like a grown up, which is something
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55052640
Exactly the action a man who was confident of winning in the election in court would take......
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