2020 US General Election

[Letters]

The left could short circuit all of this by demanding signature counts in all disputed swing states. That would take the wind out of every sail and, according to them, remove all doubts about the legitimacy of the cadaver they have allegedly elected to the presidency.

It wouldn't, though. Because that's not how conspiracy theories work.

The people who believe in these theories would just double down and start claiming that those counts are corrupt in some way.
Georgia already had a recount which found no major discrepancies, so now that becomes "well of course it didn't, they just recounted the fraudulent ballots".
The very people demanding recounts just dismiss the results when they don't show what they want them to.

It's been interesting on here and in other places watching how these conspiracy theories develop in real time.
As every part of the theory is debunked people just move on to another part, never stopping to consider that they may be mistaken.
As more people speak out about Trump's ridiculous embarrassing attempt to stay in power (which he knows won't succeed, he's just on a money raising venture to cover election debts and, yes, maybe position himself for another run in 2024) the people speaking out simply become part of the conspiracy, in the theorists minds.

Conspiracy theories work by starting with the premise and then cherry picking evidence to fit that narrative. Any that shows the premise to be incorrect is simply declared to be false or part of the conspiracy.

[Niall_Quinn]

Baseless claims.

No evidence.

No widespread evidence.

Not enough evidence to overturn the result.

No proven fraud.

Conspiracy theories! (while probably claiming Russia is behind everything)

The story slowly changes. The balance slowly tips. From mocking chants of no evidence through to desperate interventions that declare evidence debunked before it is even seen, with "fact" checks that are so hastily issued the lies contained within can be laid bare in a moment with a simple search. Even low information, drive-by types are starting to ask questions as diehard propagandists beg them to hold the media line and avoid being distracted by their own eyes and ears.

[Letters]

The story slowly changes.

Exactly

Dead people voted - No, someone checked and they're all alive.

More people voted than registered - No, they were actually using numbers from the wrong State or out of date lists.

Aha, but the USPS guy! - No, he just heard a thing, made an assumption and has no evidence of actual fraud at all.

But we have all these affidavits - well sure, you do have those. But a judge had a look at those and I've shown you a video of his response. Strangely, that bounced off you and you continue to claim the judges aren't looking at the evidence. Of course when you have a President sowing this amount of disinformation a lot of his more unhinged supporters are going to come forward and say "hey, I saw a thing". When courts look at evidence Quality > Quantity.

The voting machines tho - whoops, no, the by hand recounts show that they didn't switch votes.

Here comes Powell, here's the Kraken! - Oh dear, she's properly mental. Too mental even for the Trump team, and that's saying something.

Maths shows it was rigged - Oh cool, can I see that? Nah... Oh, OK then

What is it, 40 cases now and 1 won? The 1 being nothing to do with fraud. You can shout "fraud, fraud, fraud" as loud as you like on social media, when you get into court when you're under oath and need to provide actual evidence and facts they're repeatedly getting laughed out of the place. Weird, that. There's so much evidence.

Oh, and once again, care to explain why those dastardly dems rigged the presidential election but completely forgot to rig the senate one which were on the same ballots? What a mistake-a to make-a! Yet to see anyone explain that but I'm sure you'll come up with something.

[Niall_Quinn]

And as events progress in so many directions at once, to the point where nobody can hope to keep up, the low information, drive-by types are left plodding along with their second hand talking points, which they don't actually understand so can't amend in light of current events. Over and over and over again they copy/ paste as the world moves around and past them. It doesn't take much to consider what they have to say, one pass is enough. So have a look at what they don't and will never say and don't want you to say either.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Trump lost.

By a lot.

It wasn't even close. And that was despite seeking to disenfranchise and making in person voting difficult in areas where he was likely to do poorly (even moreso).

Just accept it and move on with your life.

[Niall_Quinn]

Trump's slogan team needs a medal. Make America Great Again is a classic. And now, quite simply, Save America. And at least 75 million Americans know exactly what that means. Millions more, on the other side, know what that means too, but it's not something they agree with. Quite the contrary. The table is set.

The left's rallying call? Build Back Better? LOL. 75 million people have already figured out what that means. Actually, hundreds of millions because it's the same bullshit message being pushed by globalists across the planet. Pure coincidence, of course.

The left isn't getting these hundreds of millions of aware people to play ball, under any circumstances. And the left goes into this fight divided and psychologically and practically unequipped. The speed at which America has organised against the left is impressive, and it's early days. And Americans have always been equipped, psychologically, culturally, spiritually and practically for just this moment. This is why the 2nd Amendment was defended above all else.

I don't fancy our chances in Europe, considering what has been given away with minimal protest. Maybe, in a magnificent twist, the French can save us.

[Niall_Quinn]

Trump lost.

By a lot.

It wasn't even close. And that was despite seeking to disenfranchise and making in person voting difficult in areas where he was likely to do poorly (even moreso).

Just accept it and move on with your life.

I get that's the official message. But it's not true, it's not ethically or morally acceptable and a perfectly legal and constitutional route exists to remedy the situation. So calls to just walk away, while convenient for one party, are unethical, immoral and impossibly unrealistic.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I get that's the official message. But it's not true, it's not ethically or morally acceptable and a perfectly legal and constitutional route exists to remedy the situation. So calls to just walk away, while convenient for one party, are unethical, immoral and impossibly unrealistic.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

[Niall_Quinn]

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

We'll see, won't we? When you map out your version of the story, which you should try, look at how utterly ridiculous it has to be if it is true. You don't have to do it here, do it in private. You'll see what it takes to make your version of events true. Then map out the opposite and suddenly reality dawns. But it won't come down to that, will it? It'll come dow to the left holding their nerve and running out the clock, against Americans fighting within the law to verify the result. It's condemnation of the most forceful kind that your people have pulled out every stop to avoid verifying the result. Bothe before, during and after the election, btw. If even that doesn't strike you as questionable then I wonder why you are going around accusing people of drinking Kool-Aid?

[Xhaka Can’t]

How should I map out my version of he story?

Which crackpot theory should I respond to? Should I respond to Guilliani in the parking lot? Long Island Ice Tea girl? Or the myriad of unsubstantiated claims you post?

There was an election. That was subject to meticulous oversight, the likes of which were never seen before.

Joe Biden received significantly more votes. And that was despite the efforts made to ensure it was more difficult to vote for him.