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    Quote Originally Posted by WMUG View Post
    It was clear to me that his personality would never let him accept a loss, and he'd do anything he could to stay in office.
    Agree to an extent about his personality but I didn’t think he’d double down that much to the point where he was holding a rally on the day the results were being certified and whipping up the crowd to the point where it all boiled over like it did.
    I guess after his initial childish reaction of refusing to admit he lost he just had to keep doubling down until he backed himself into a corner and it was impossible for him to admit he lost.

    Ah well, thankfully it’s all over. It’s so nice to have a grown up in power again!

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    Biden should’ve been the Democratic nominee last time out.

    Sure, Clinton was the better choice against Toxic Tango Tot, but there were too many with HDS for her to get over the line in the Hick states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMUG View Post
    Didn't you? I was calling it when the primaries were still ongoing (though not on here, annoyingly).

    It was clear to me that his personality would never let him accept a loss, and he'd do anything he could to stay in office.
    I've asked several people several times to name one instance where Trump did not follow the Constitution? You realise, you are proposing a reality that is the precise reverse of what actually happened?

    Can you not see through the politics of this and just focus on the facts that we know?

    Quite obviously, Trump did not call for an "insurrection", he did the very opposite. You need to listen to what he actually said, if you can find it on the heavily censored net.

    It was the left that used violence for almost half a year, while the media and the very same politicians calling out Trump stood back and claimed we were witnessing "peaceful protests" as buildings behind them burned. Prominent figures, including Pelosi, threw their weight behind these "protesters" as they looted and burned their way through American cities. When Trump suggested something should be done about it they called him an authoritarian. Biden's own campaign staff donated money to help bail out rioters the police had managed to arrest.

    Meanwhile, every single Trump rally was peaceful. It used to be easy to find videos of real reporters, who take the time to be on the ground during these events, noting the sharp contrast between the left and right in terms of public gatherings and law and order.

    People who can be truthful to themselves know this already.

    Political violence was a key feature of the past year but it was almost entirely down to the left, with maybe one or two scattered cases where right wing (which now means normal people who are not left wing) events resulted in some degree of violence, usually in retaliation or self defence, though it could be argued the events themselves were provocative so the blame could be shared. That's the fairest assessment at least. 99% of the violence was sustained (not sporadic) and from the left. It's just the facts which even the media reported, despite trying to cover for the rioters and blow up the one handed instances of violence from the right.

    You've seen Antifa and BLM hurling fireworks at innocent people dining on the sidewalk, rabid lefties going into shops and restaurants and intimidating customers and staff. Shootings. Stabbings. Left wing politicians urging the mob to get in peoples' faces. Flash invasions of federal and state buildings. Police stations being burned or invaded. Everything, but far more, the left now hypocritically claims is an assault on democracy.

    This all actually happened, whether it's politically useful for you to admit it of not. So there's no doubt who used violence as a political tool.

    On the 6th Trump called a rally to demonstrate support that existed (and still does) for a fair outcome to a blatantly rigged election. To demonstrate to the politicians the sheer number of people demanding a fair hearing. Inside the Capitol, nobody was asking for the election to be overturned (as the media lied about time and again) they were asking for a delay in certification so, finally, the evidence of the election fraud could be examined, as the courts had refused to do. The media also lied about there being no evidence, yet at the same time smeared those who gave their testimony in public hearings that performed the role the courts should have taken up. A large volume of evidence was presented at such hearings, with even more of it unexamined. Thousands of affidavits. Video tape of the actual fraud in progress. Statistical analysis. Live analysis conducted using responses from actual voters. But no court would hear it, the media wouldn't consider (and lied to the contrary) and big tech censored or manipulated any attempt to get the information out to a wider public.

    On the 6th, while Trump was giving his speech, a motley collection of losers from Antifa and BLM (now verified by arrest and identification), and mentally questionable individuals who got suckered by that QAnon psyop, walked through thin police lines and into the Capitol. The police then started waving entirely innocent Trump supporters in after them. There's footage of these hapless visitors calmly walking through the building adhering to roped-off sections. They had nothing to do with the loon squad that initially broke the police lines.

    Then you get to the whole nonsense about a "coup" or an "insurrection". Certainly the worst attempt at either I have ever seen. Larpers in fancy dress throwing stuff around and doing it while live streaming? No firearms, no backup, no military support, nothing. Anyone who genuinely thinks this was a coup attempt is more than slightly touched in the head. It was a building occupation. Disruption. One side doing it to discredit Trump and bring about the exact (planned) hysteria we've seen since, the other because who knows why? Certainly their actions didn't help Trump in any way, so you have to wonder just how much they really "support" him. Even so, once they were in there, if they were in any way serious they could have done what the left normally does - set fire to the place. But they didn't even go that far. A coup?

    I think what we have is very low information people who don't know what a real coup looks like (not even the one pulled by the establishment to get Trump out). They probably think a coup is anything that contradicts the daily narrative on CNN.

    Meanwhile, Trump was very explicit in calling for calm and for respecting law and order. He stated specifically he has spent four years calling for the support of the police, particularly when the left wanted to defund them (though I suppose that's already forgotten). The irony as they conduct the installation of their puppet behind a barricade of 30K+ armed guards. Protection for them, but not for you.

    So why is such a patently absurd story of insurrection being spun by the media? That's very easy to figure out. The establishment never wants to see another outsider catch them off guard again, not just Trump but anyone outside their circle. And it's good we can now clearly see the boundaries of that circle, that's one very positive and useful development to emerge from this. They didn't expect Trump to win in 2016. They laughed when it was even suggested. It has ALL been about getting rid of him ever since, regardless of what he actually did or said. Now finally, through a rigged election staged on a theatrical overreaction to a virus, they have forced him out and regained control - that's the Democrats and Republicans alike, they are two sides of the same coin.

    Right at the top of their agenda is the total destruction of Trump, to send a very clear message for anyone foolish enough to contemplate taking what they feel is theirs by right, power. This is why they moved straight to impeachment without even examining the facts. This is why they are, yet again, throwing the Constitution to one side in their efforts to bar Trump from running in 2024. This is why they are talking about "truth" and "reconciliation" hearings, this is why they are censoring, de-platforming and generally trying to ruin anyone prominent who has anything to say against them or in support of Trump. And this is why Clinton wants a hearing on Putin's role in the events of the 6th and beforehand - I'm not even kidding. Russiagate is alive and well and no amount of facts can kill it. Yet Biden on videotape, or Biden's crime syndicate laid bare on thousands of data files - brushed under the carpet, censored, banned, Russian propaganda. All delivered with a straight face and with unbridled contempt and the assumption people are really that stupid.

    If you can't see what's happening here then fine, maybe you don't have the time or the inclination to delve into the details of such matters. But it's not a good idea to just assume the facts because the mainstream media told you so. It really is a more complex world than the media would have you believe. But common sense and an organised recollection of historical events goes a long way to seeing through the media bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xhaka Can’t View Post
    Biden should’ve been the Democratic nominee last time out.

    Sure, Clinton was the better choice against Toxic Tango Tot, but there were too many with HDS for her to get over the line in the Hick states.
    Biden had to be rigged in as the nominee this time around. You think they'd have picked him over their poster demon in 2016? Not a chance. He's not liked within the party. He has little support from any side. Obama had contempt for him.
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    2020 US General Election

    Since when did not violating the constitution become a benchmark?

    I tell you what though, he’s violated a shitload of laws.
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