2020 US General Election

[Niall_Quinn]

The treason I was talking about months ago seems to have broken into the mainstream. We should run a competition to see which lefty twat can explain it away the best. The funniest part is Woodward, ex-journalist - one of them. In his desperation to scrounge a buck he's dumped them in it. Can you believe he's so hopelessly indoctrinated this was supposed to be an attack on Trump?

The people who matter know what I'm talking about. The rest just follow orders.

[Globalgunner]

The worst mistake anybody who is older than 18 can make is to pre suppose that there are a set of "good guys" and another set of "bad guys". Its the first realisation anybody who has been observing his eco-environment should come to. Clinging on to illusions is the first trick of the establishment.

[Mac76]

The worst mistake anybody who is older than 18 can make is to pre suppose that there are a set of "good guys" and another set of "bad guys". Its the first realisation anybody who has been observing his eco-environment should come to. Clinging on to illusions is the first trick of the establishment.

Exactly - some people's insistence that there is some masterminded evil plot, and setting themselves up as some kind of crusader against it, is ridiculously infantile

[Niall_Quinn]

The worst mistake anybody who is older than 18 can make is to pre suppose that there are a set of "good guys" and another set of "bad guys". Its the first realisation anybody who has been observing his eco-environment should come to. Clinging on to illusions is the first trick of the establishment.

There are DEFINITELY good guys and there always has been. That's the ONLY reason the world has generally (painfully) progressed instead of stagnated. If you are saying there are no good politicians, then even that isn't true. Tony Benn was a colossus. Good people (good guys) are the tiny minority who stand between us and utter ruin. Now if you are talking about left vs right then I'd agree. Or black vs white or christian versus muslim, etc, etc.

But don't don't do such a disservice to the good guys.

[Niall_Quinn]

Exactly - some people's insistence that there is some masterminded evil plot, and setting themselves up as some kind of crusader against it, is ridiculously infantile

You are literally talking about yourself. It's fucking hilarious. I would explain it to you but your brain is not developed enough to understand it. You are so funny. You cheer me up on an almost daily basis.

[Globalgunner]

There are DEFINITELY good guys and there always has been. That's the ONLY reason the world has generally (painfully) progressed instead of stagnated. If you are saying there are no good politicians, then even that isn't true. Tony Benn was a colossus. Good people (good guys) are the tiny minority who stand between us and utter ruin. Now if you are talking about left vs right then I'd agree. Or black vs white or christian versus muslim, etc, etc.

But don't don't do such a disservice to the good guys.

I agree to the extent that there are people is positions of power that mean well but they are not many and rarely reach the ultimate levers of power. I meant it is the left v right, Dems v Repubs dichotomy. In the UK, Labour used to a working mans party but Tony Blair put well paid to that. All Im saying is we shouldnt get embroiled in defending either side

[Mac76]

You are literally talking about yourself. It's fucking hilarious. I would explain it to you but your brain is not developed enough to understand it. You are so funny. You cheer me up on an almost daily basis.

nice try - actually it's not, because you know - as does everyone else on here - that i'm describing you down to a tee

[Niall_Quinn]

I agree to the extent that there are people is positions of power that mean well but they are not many and rarely reach the ultimate levers of power. I meant it is the left v right, Dems v Repubs dichotomy. In the UK, Labour used to a working mans party but Tony Blair put well paid to that. All Im saying is we shouldnt get embroiled in defending either side

Yeah, agreed. It's the main device by which the needs and efforts of the people are thwarted by the ruling class. But it's a super effective method that shows no significant sign of diminishing, yet. More people are aware of the con but not enough. I'm already hearing some people proclaim, "That's it! I'm voting Labour or (not even kidding) Lib Dem!", as if it is the ultimate punishment to the revolving door class. But the most dangerous types are the ones who would ideologically vote for the same party regardless of what that party actually did, because they have been bred to hate the other side. That hatred, boosted by steroids injected by the media, is what led to Biden and will probably lead to a similarly horrific outcome in the UK at the next election.

However, sometimes it goes too far and the majority notices. I don't think there has ever been a national figure more despised than Tony Blair. On the other hand I've also seen people who foamed at the mouth in their hatred of Bush now fawning over him. It's such a crazy period in history I wouldn't put it past Blair to manage a comeback.

[Niall_Quinn]

nice try - actually it's not, because you know - as does everyone else on here - that i'm describing you down to a tee

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LOL!

Dope.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I agree to the extent that there are people is positions of power that mean well but they are not many and rarely reach the ultimate levers of power. I meant it is the left v right, Dems v Repubs dichotomy. In the UK, Labour used to a working mans party but Tony Blair put well paid to that. All Im saying is we shouldnt get embroiled in defending either side

By being the only labour leader to have won an election in the last 50 years?