Arsenal 3-1 Liverpool, Player rating and Match reaction

[HCZ_Reborn]

Raya 5 - Left Saliba looking like a cunt for their equaliser, but his distribution is paying dividends


White 7 - Defensively solid, yellow card aside


Saliba 6 - Total lack of communication between him and Raya


Gabriel 6 - If he hadn’t put in own net, would have given away a penalty


Zinchenko 5 - Did fuck all and was hooked at half time


Rice 8 - Jorginho makes Rice a better player,


Jorginho 8 - He’s so tidy


Odegaard 7 - When he gets space, he’s far more effective


Havertz 8 - Konate had to get himself sent off in dealing with him, he was an excellent decoy for Saka and Martinelli in attack


Martinelli 8 - The player that we had last season.


Saka 7 - His obligatory goal against top team



Subs: Trossard 7, Kiwior 6, Nelson 6


We were just better than them, Klopp admitted it…their defending was poor, Van Dijk and Alisson were a joke . They were never in the game Luiz Diaz aside, they miss Salah big time. That said glad not to have to play them again under Jurgen the German.

[Niall_Quinn]

Two awful teams who are using tactics that clinically expose their lack of technical and mental expertise. Liver pool were slightly better, but we're talking a millionth of a degree. Both were abject shite, so who was the best shite?

The pathological desire from these players to be negative is stunning. This must come down to the anti-football philosophies of the managers. Managers who think they are Pep Guardiola with a prime Barca squad at their disposal. But they don't have anything like that, and so the tactics are hysterically funny.

Is this current Arsenal squad the orst of all time (and I mean in the histiry of football) at taking a throw-in? I think they are.

Thank God for Martinelli though. At least he realised you have to disrupt the opponent before you can defeat their tactics.

Saw the Klopp interview afterwards. It's almost like modern art. Talking about something that simply doesn't exist. No wonder he's getting out before he's rumbled. Smart move.

I think Arteta probably has 2-3 more years before even the most dull-witted realise he's prancing through the street naked.

[Niall_Quinn]

And I suppose a shout out to Jorginho for cleaning up Rice's and that useless captain's dogshit. He was very busy trying to find one extra step after we did one step forward, two back. Odegard was particularly bad.

[Niall_Quinn]

And the obvious observation that astounds me why so-called professional managers can't spot it. When you move the ball forwards at pace, the opposition panics by default. Pep's cancer is so ingrained the modern game expect strict adherence. And when that is abused, such as with the first goal today, football suddenly reverts to what it should be and what it always was before it developed the coof.

[Mac76]

[Niall_Quinn]

Havertz 8 - Konate had to get himself sent off in dealing with him, he was an excellent decoy for Saka and Martinelli in attack

This is a lesson. Reality has no bearing on perception. The chav deserved 0/10, same as every other game he turned up to to which he was woefully qualified to compete in. But, I guess football is more about opinion than what actually happens before our eyes. Anyone who didn't know this shitkicker was definitely, 100%, going to miss when clean through on goal, based on all the other observations of his game, or lack of game, prefers to craft reality rather than observe it.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

This is a lesson. Reality has no bearing on perception. The chav deserved 0/10, same as every other game he turned up to to which he was woefully qualified to compete in. But, I guess football is more about opinion than what actually happens before our eyes. Anyone who didn't know this shitkicker was definitely, 100%, going to miss when clean through on goal, based on all the other observations of his game, or lack of game, prefers to craft reality rather than observe it.

Agree with all what you said except the 0/10, yesterday was probably his best game for us so a 4 or 5/10 would be more appropiate.

Anyway, like you and MO said, he was always going to miss any chance he had that isn't instinctive as he is the worst sissy I've seen in front of goal ever. I mean he's either hitting the ball half heartedly or "conveniently" falling over anytime a big chance comes his way.

Again, easily the worst attacking player I've ever witnessed us sign.

[Mac76]

@HCZ

i'd still prefer Ram in goal, but giving Raya a 5 because of one mistake is a bit silly, his general performance was probably the best I've seen him, he took some very good clean catches under some pressure and his distribution was very good in general. 7

Gabriel and Saliba were both between 7 and 7.5 - again you're punishing them for one moment which is over the top, - in particular Gabriel knew nothing about that handball, it's ridiculous to blame him for it - Saliba should have cleared it though

Also Kiwior did very well and was a 7.5 for me, I'm taking off a half point becuase he could have done better with the header but tbf he got himself into that position and that's what we need, people taking responsibility

Jorg was great and yes, he and Rice work well

White got a silly booking but outside that he was really turning on the style in the first half

Also Trossard was an 8, he was excellent when he came on and did really well to win the ball that he ended up putting in the back of the net

Also I'll give Arteta an 8, we set up well against them with teh players we had and it took a stupid mistake for them to get past us and then they had 5-10 minutes at the start of the second half where they threatened

[HCZ_Reborn]

@HCZ

i'd still prefer Ram in goal, but giving Raya a 5 because of one mistake is a bit silly, his general performance was probably the best I've seen him, he took some very good clean catches under some pressure and his distribution was very good in general. 7

Gabriel and Saliba were both between 7 and 7.5 - again you're punishing them for one moment which is over the top, - in particular Gabriel knew nothing about that handball, it's ridiculous to blame him for it - Saliba should have cleared it though

Also Kiwior did very well and was a 7.5 for me, I'm taking off a half point becuase he could have done better with the header but tbf he got himself into that position and that's what we need, people taking responsibility

Jorg was great and yes, he and Rice work well

White got a silly booking but outside that he was really turning on the style in the first half

Also Trossard was an 8, he was excellent when he came on and did really well to win the ball that he ended up putting in the back of the net

Also I'll give Arteta an 8, we set up well against them with teh players we had and it took a stupid mistake for them to get past us and then they had 5-10 minutes at the start of the second half where they threatened

Where I think we disagree on player ratings is that I think you have to judge a player by their worst moment in the game. Therefore if they make a mistake it has to bring down their overall score. If you go to a Dental hygienist you’ll find that’s how they score plaque..they won’t look at where you’ve brushed well, they’ll look at where you haven’t brushed well.

Now I think it’s also fair to say that I judge defensive players harsher than offensive ones. But that’s simply because the defensive player makes a mistake it will more likely lead to us losing than will an offensive player.

I like Rayas distribution if I’m honest, really good for counter attacks


As for Subs, unless they really stand out I don’t tend to score them that highly….very similar to football manager in that regard. Trossard scored a fantastic goal though

[Marc Overmars]

Question is now, will we beat West Ham on the weekend? An opponent that has caused us a lot of bother of late. Need to win most if not all of our games now before we go to the Etihad in March. You feel like City are gearing up for their usual end of season winning streak.