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[Power n Glory]

Not really, it would be a contradiction if i said the media were both responsible and not responsible for these killers do

What I'm saying is they may well do it anyway but why encourage them.

To say it's an incentive or encourages....it shifts the responsibility. It's close to what you were arguing against with NQ. The Ted Bundy example comes to mind. It's not a million miles away from what was said about the influence of porn.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

To say it's an incentive or encourages....it shifts the responsibility. It's close to what you were arguing against with NQ. The Ted Bundy example comes to mind. It's not a million miles away from what was said about the influence of porn.

It would be if I said these people are victims of a culture that sensationalises violence....I didn't

And it would be if I said these people wouldn't have killed but for the media misery porn, again I didn't

The point is more that when as I say people like Muir commit acts for notoriety, the media are rewarding them.

Would he have found another outlet for his violent tendencies? Yes more than likely.

Would he have still killed Jo Cox if the media didn't go out of its way to sate people's morbid curiousity....again quite possibly because many people like attention, only certain people kill for attention and they want to kill anyway.

But let's be fair if this wasn't a murderer we were talking about no one would be discussing what Nazi books he had in his bookshelf at home, nor would anyone care what his far right beliefs were.

So no the Media is not responsible for the behaviour of the atavist, but it's rewarding him/her for that behaviour

[Power n Glory]

It would be if I said these people are victims of a culture that sensationalises violence....I didn't

And it would be if I said these people wouldn't have killed but for the media misery porn, again I didn't

The point is more that when as I say people like Muir commit acts for notoriety, the media are rewarding them.

Would he have found another outlet for his violent tendencies? Yes more than likely.

Would he have still killed Jo Cox if the media didn't go out of its way to sate people's morbid curiousity....again quite possibly because many people like attention, only certain people kill for attention and they want to kill anyway.

But let's be fair if this wasn't a murderer we were talking about no one would be discussing what Nazi books he had in his bookshelf at home, nor would anyone care what his far right beliefs were.

So no the Media is not responsible for the behaviour of the atavist, but it's rewarding him/her for that behaviour

I didn't say you made all the above arguments, you're just skating pretty close to the argument of censorship and media influence.

Now the media will always allow this to happen to push an agenda, I mentioned Ted Bundy earlier and how a Christian conservative interviewed Bundy where Bundy blamed violent pornography that dehumanises women on what he did. This was beneficial to the Christian conservative because he could peddle something that confirmed his own bias and it benefited Bundy because like any other sociopath it gave him an avenue to direct the responsibility of his actions onto others.

The above is what I mean and where I see a slight contradiction.

[Letters]

Fidel Castro

I'm sure this is how he'd want to be remembered

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Fidel Castro

I'm sure this is how he'd want to be remembered

I'm not quite sure why there is this fawning reverence for this guy. Don't get me wrong I think it was amusing for the Americans to have their nose rubbed in shit by having a communist state thirty miles or so off their own coastline, especially as he overthrew the US endorsed military dictator in Fulgencio Batista.

But ask any of the Cuban exiles what it was like living under Castro and it won't be the same romantic picture, these aren't all hard right individuals and I genuinely believe that the Obama administrations bizarre decision to normalise relations with Havanna led to many Cuban Americans deciding to vote for Trump in Florida.

Fuck him basically for all the people his regime killed, tortured or simply imprisoned without trial.

[Letters]

Is there a fawning reverence for him?

[Niall_Quinn]

Is there a fawning reverence for him?

Castro is a trigger. If you don't come out 100% against him, if you say anything at all that doesn't condemn him outright and in the harshest terms, then you support him. Americans are as paranoid about Castro as they are about off-white teeth or abridged editions of Catcher in the Rye.

[Power n Glory]

Imprisoned without trial. Sort of ironic that the Land of the Free cut Cuba off but still have a certain base open over there.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Is there a fawning reverence for him?

Clearly there is, all you need to do is look at even obituaries from the Guardian and Independent almost in admiration for the "revolutionary leader"

[Letters]

Castro is a trigger. If you don't come out 100% against him, if you say anything at all that doesn't condemn him outright and in the harshest terms, then you support him. Americans are as paranoid about Castro as they are about off-white teeth or abridged editions of Catcher in the Rye.

Bit like Wenger on here then?