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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    "Unacceptable"? "Dealt with?"

    Unacceptable to you? Dealt with by the thugs who operate on your behalf? What's it to you if somebody wants to work for a company? Or a customer wants to interact with a company? Do you want to work for Uber? Do you want to use their services? No? Well there you go then, problem solved.
    Simply, I find it unacceptable that people are exploited ruthlessly. I don't believe it is right to just stand and watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coney View Post
    Simply, I find it unacceptable that people are exploited ruthlessly. I don't believe it is right to just stand and watch.
    So do I. I find it a despicable symptom. But I find the huge lie even more hateful, the idea that private companies need to be constrained by government regulation to protect the consumer and the workers. This is completely insane, it's a total reversal of the reality. It is government that causes every single problem related to employment and commerce. Every last one. Without government and their mates in the banks we could operate a consumer driven free market that had at its foundation genuine competition. That can't be done with government or banks in place. Governments give massive advantage to the big corporations over those companies who would seek to enter the market and compete. And banks tip the balance even further. Between government and banks it is almost assured that monopoly will prevail and as soon as you have a monopoly that's when all the very worst practises manifest.

    Big corporations LOVE and CRAVE government regulation because they can afford the armies of bureaucrats to administer the deluge and find every way to take advantage of the always conveniently laid loopholes. Big corporations LOVE lawyers. They love every barrier to entry they can possibly heap on the shit pile. Take away all this shite and suddenly the corporations would have to compete again. Take away their ever so convenient tax concessions, take away their favourable terms at the banks. Level the playing field and then you will see a better deal for consumers and a fair deal for workers. Why? Because competition thrives on consumer freedom of choice and is the arch enemy of monopoly, and without the huge cost of government and the industrialised criminality of the banks, every worker (who is in turn a consumer) would be considerably more wealthy and have considerably more choice. Get rid of government and the banks and the engineered instability and inequality in the economy would disappear overnight. The number of losers in a free market system would pale compared to the army of losers we see today. Ever growing numbers of people with no prospects and no hope. Stuck in shitty jobs, forever. Passing on a diminished situation to their children, which essentially means they have had a core reason for procreation removed. This nightmare has been built, brick by brick, by government. Every injustice you see around you today was carefully and patiently crafted, by government.

    But perhaps you don't believe any of this. Perhaps you think you need a government and huge, too-big-to-fail banks or else life will come to a halt. Funny though. Look at the deal consumers and workers are getting right now. Consumers of government and the unbelievable huge tax burden in return for ever declining services that you are FORCED to consume whether you want to or not (Joe Stalin?). Look at the banks you are FORCED to bail out, your reward being austerity for years. Look at the job market, the abolition of stability and security as "human resources" are reduced to competing with desperate refugees and economic tourists. Look at globalisation, the brainchild of the bankers and their governmental puppets. I'm wondering how any alternative could possibly be as bad as what we see now. Perhaps you think EVEN MORE government will help? To "deal with" these corporations that make no secret at all about the prime directive, private profit is as few hands as possible, while government busies itself with the other side of the equation, socialising all the costs. After all, what is austerity? Credit card debt? Mortgage debt? Bank overdrafts and loans? These are all the cause, we are told. But that's just another huge lie. Without this mountain of debt the whole governmental/ banking/ globalist scheme would collapse. The whole rotten thing is built on debt, debt is the very lifeblood of government, both the theatre company that poses as a multi-faceted public servant and real government in the Whitehall bureaucracies and the City boardrooms.

    I'm speaking generally, it is unlikely you are committed to one extreme or the other - although there are unspeakable people who would literally drop dead if the power of government was even diminished, let alone removed. I hate the abuses I see all around me too. But I despair that such a large majority seem oblivious to the causes, even thought they can see all the evidence with their own eyes and freely admit they have been lied to ver and over and over again. These people are completely incapable of daring to cast a fleeting thought towards an alternative. They point blank refuse to consider an alternative might even exist. They are their own jailers and they are also the majority who keep desperate and helpless people locked into the poverty cycle and condemned to shitty jobs and an increasingly shittier future.

    Government will not volunteer to remove itself. The banks will not shut their doors as a charitable act. The victims of these evil institutions will have to stand up and take action for themselves. Instead we are busy calling Uber out for playing in the very system created by government and the complacency of the people. We're pulling the dog's tail while it eats our lunch and then shits in our face.
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    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    So do I. I find it a despicable symptom. But I find the huge lie even more hateful ....
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    .... The victims of these evil institutions will have to stand up and take action for themselves. Instead we are busy calling Uber out for playing in the very system created by government and the complacency of the people. We're pulling the dog's tail while it eats our lunch and then shits in our face.
    I don't think it is complacency of the people - more a mental laziness to reason it through.

    Re: the banks. I vote bremain, not brexit. However, if brexit does go through to completion, it is possible that the financial centre of London will move to Frankfurt. While that might have some initial painful effects (and yes, as you indicate, we ordinary people will be hit more than those in power atm) it might mean that instead of our economy relying heavily on the casino of the stock market and have to do what the Germans do and rely on real production by real people of real product, giving stability to the economy.

    What I find incredible is that bankers, who apparently need to be paid obscene amounts of money for their 'expertise', thought it great to sell mortgages and loans not even to people at random but to people with a track record of failing to maintain repayments and thought this was a good thing. I am no expert but I am pretty sure that anyone with more than half a brain would know that is bollocks. Their greed muddied their judgement - or maybe they already had their money safe elsewhere and did not give a toss as the risk. And we pay for this.

    The austerity idea is also crap. Right now, for the government to take loans for real infrastructure projects, rates are dead cheap. We should invest in perparing for the future. Takes people off the dole. Most of the money for projects goes on wages so you get some back in tax. The people spend the money boosting local economies and resulting in more tax coming back - bang for a buck and we all win. Oh - except the banks. Well, I can live with that. Alongside a minimum wage which is set at a living wage, we can reduce the amount of our tax money that is spend subsidising c***s who run companies paying below the living wage (which right wingers seem to call subsidising the lazy because they are also c***s).

    The overriding problem is finding a way to get people to get off their arses and vote having first got their brains into gear and thinking of their and their children's log term benefit, plus what kind of society and world they want to live in. With the Murdochs, Tories and other scum leading the media, this is an uphill task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Wrong account!
    Should he have used his Bruce Wayne account?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coney View Post
    What I find incredible is that bankers, who apparently need to be paid obscene amounts of money for their 'expertise', thought it great to sell mortgages and loans not even to people at random but to people with a track record of failing to maintain repayments and thought this was a good thing. I am no expert but I am pretty sure that anyone with more than half a brain would know that is bollocks. Their greed muddied their judgement - or maybe they already had their money safe elsewhere and did not give a toss as the risk. And we pay for this.
    Not incredible at all really

    You offer horrible poison mortgages to people who have no chance of ever repaying them. And then repossess the house sell it on for a small profit and take out a credit default swap against the mortgage loan you're not getting back which is a form of insurance which means someone else pays out. If it crashes the economy? Too fucking bad.....The Glass-Steagall act which prevented Banks from becoming too big to fail all went to the way side, so they knew that if the banking system ever started to strain from its own greed government would have to act to prevent the whole economy collapsing.

    Most of the bankers doing those kinds of deals lost their jobs but they didn't give a shit they had made vastly more money in a short space of time than they could hope to have achieved in a lifetime in any other field. And the people at the top and the economists and the economic professors teaching the inherent virtue of this economic anarchy all got their golden parachutes.

    A giant hustle which no one seems to want to learn the lessons of. Mainly because there were no mistakes, this was all deliberate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coney View Post
    Should he have used his Bruce Wayne account?
    Absolutely. Although it could be Robin fantasising.

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    Holy multiple logins!

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