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[GP]

The idea that Trump might be doing that knowingly as some kind of "performance art" is giving him quite a lot more credit than he deserves. Quite an amusing concept though.

He's mentally ill. Also a paedophile.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's mentally ill. Also a paedophile.

No excuse for being a nonce

[Letters]

Now you're talking nonce-sense #TheDayToday

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Now you're talking nonce-sense #TheDayToday

That was Brass Eye wasn’t it?

Well given both were Chris Morris it could easily be both

[Letters]

Ah. Yeah, what you said.
Chris Morris

[Niall_Quinn]

Inate rather than obscure its why societies thousands of years ago who wouldn’t have even known of each others existence have formed in similar ways.

From the justification means using religion and hereditary right people have sort dominion over each other, it was a kind of social Darwinism where the strong ruled over the weak, we see it in animals just as we see it in ourselves.

There has been no secret of it, until recently where open societies have forced people into more clandestine roles and the strength and extent of their influence can largely only be guessed at. Usually by people who like to believe that anything they don’t like is evidence of a deep state.

Look at free market capitalism, the people who feel left behind still believe in the system they just fill they’ve missed out on the chance to be exploiters.

It’s interesting that someone who accepts totally moral relativity. Seems to believe in this centuries old convenant of control and instilling mass delusion over otherwise decent but frightened people.

There's no such thing as free market capitalism. Never has been and probably never will be. It's a theory that has never been put into practise. Free market capitalism is the boogie man the left likes to wave as distraction from their communist excess, it's the goal the right wing claims to aspire to as they merrily endorse communist systems. Wherever you have authoritarianism, which is everywhere, it is impossible to have free anything, let alone economics.

One of the greatest tricks of communism is it's inbuilt lack of personal responsibility. Because everyone is equal then everyone is equally responsible. In other words, nobody is ever responsible. That's why communism has murdered more human beings than any other control structure barring the daddy of them all - religion. Religion, of course, dispels your notion of secrecy being a recent development. Religion is the very definition of secrecy. How many centuries did it take for the bible to become accessible to the flock? Prior to that, mystical wizards were handpicked by God himself to preserve the hidden (occult) knowledge and dispense it in whatever "translated" form was deemed most advantageous to the prospects of the church. God commanded his wizards to raise armies and slay infidels, so the infidels obeyed and everyone became responsible. Except a very few at the centre whose hands were tied, because who can deny the commands of God Himself?

Now our wizards have "grown up" and they speak of economies and 'isms and the inevitabilities of their communist system disguised as the unknowable, unmanageable hand of the people in the form of the market. The market that is constantly revealed as being manipulated from the centre and controls the lives of all in falls upon. Do you see the inherent lack of responsibility again? Globalisation is perhaps the one religion that could surpass all others in its absolute irresponsibility. See global warming for further details.

I'm afraid your requirement for everyone to be at fault, and your need for intent to be incompetence is straight from the communist book of psalms. You'd probably say you are a socialist. But again, there's no such thing. An authoritarian is an authoritarian and a thief is a thief. You can't get a little bit communist.

What's happening now is the old communist control systems are breaking down. Breaking down to... we don't know. It's chaotic in nature. And that's the fundamental choice humanity has to make now. Globalisation - global communism. Or chaos. Chaos is scary, disorganised, often violent. But it is short lived and order always settles.

Will it be the new world order as pursued by the globalists through deceit and for despicable ends? Or a new world order feared and loathed by those same globalists because they will be rooted out from the centre in the process? The criminals we have all witnessed with our own eyes stand on one side - by now we know what they represent. The unknowns that are at least in part constituted by those who seek liberty and the dignity of humanity stand on the other. It's a very simple choice to make once the fear of chaos subsides.

Chaos is coming anyway. The communists, as always, have fucked up and become so engorged even the whole world can't prop them up. So the choice really is very, very obvious. And every moment spent trying to prop up the old system is a minute of life wasted.

Enter Letters and his kind, a most useful and willing idiot. Why have one religion when you can have two?

[Niall_Quinn]

The idea that Trump might be doing that knowingly as some kind of "performance art" is giving him quite a lot more credit than he deserves. Quite an amusing concept though.

Says he who kneels to pray to the man with the beard in the sky. How much credit are you giving to your priest of the pedophile cult, I wonder? How much credibility is at stake in your own case? Or how much credit is bestowed (beyond the rattling beggar tin, because God always seems to need a few quid)?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There's no such thing as free market capitalism. Never has been and probably never will be. It's a theory that has never been put into practise. Free market capitalism is the boogie man the left likes to wave as distraction from their communist excess, it's the goal the right wing claims to aspire to as they merrily endorse communist systems. Wherever you have authoritarianism, which is everywhere, it is impossible to have free anything, let alone economics.

One of the greatest tricks of communism is it's inbuilt lack of personal responsibility. Because everyone is equal then everyone is equally responsible. In other words, nobody is ever responsible. That's why communism has murdered more human beings than any other control structure barring the daddy of them all - religion. Religion, of course, dispels your notion of secrecy being a recent development. Religion is the very definition of secrecy. How many centuries did it take for the bible to become accessible to the flock? Prior to that, mystical wizards were handpicked by God himself to preserve the hidden (occult) knowledge and dispense it in whatever "translated" form was deemed most advantageous to the prospects of the church. God commanded his wizards to raise armies and slay infidels, so the infidels obeyed and everyone became responsible. Except a very few at the centre whose hands were tied, because who can deny the commands of God Himself?

Now our wizards have "grown up" and they speak of economies and 'isms and the inevitabilities of their communist system disguised as the unknowable, unmanageable hand of the people in the form of the market. The market that is constantly revealed as being manipulated from the centre and controls the lives of all in falls upon. Do you see the inherent lack of responsibility again? Globalisation is perhaps the one religion that could surpass all others in its absolute irresponsibility. See global warming for further details.

I'm afraid your requirement for everyone to be at fault, and your need for intent to be incompetence is straight from the communist book of psalms. You'd probably say you are a socialist. But again, there's no such thing. An authoritarian is an authoritarian and a thief is a thief. You can't get a little bit communist.

What's happening now is the old communist control systems are breaking down. Breaking down to... we don't know. It's chaotic in nature. And that's the fundamental choice humanity has to make now. Globalisation - global communism. Or chaos. Chaos is scary, disorganised, often violent. But it is short lived and order always settles.

Will it be the new world order as pursued by the globalists through deceit and for despicable ends? Or a new world order feared and loathed by those same globalists because they will be rooted out from the centre in the process? The criminals we have all witnessed with our own eyes stand on one side - by now we know what they represent. The unknowns that are at least in part constituted by those who seek liberty and the dignity of humanity stand on the other. It's a very simple choice to make once the fear of chaos subsides.

Chaos is coming anyway. The communists, as always, have fucked up and become so engorged even the whole world can't prop them up. So the choice really is very, very obvious. And every moment spent trying to prop up the old system is a minute of life wasted.

Enter Letters and his kind, a most useful and willing idiot. Why have one religion when you can have two?

I tried to take this seriously but I got to the point where you said “you probably say you’re a socialist” and gave up

No free market capitalism is very much a thing, the fact that it’s in actuality corporate socialism is because if you have the money to make sure the deck is forever stacked in your favour why wouldn’t you?.

You can’t have free market capitalism and anti trust capitalism. Plutocracy and oligarchical rule where it exists is the inevitable result of the free market.

Of course the idea that socialism is the cure, where the oligarchs and plutocrats instead of influencing the state become the state. I’m amused that you’ve somehow extrapolated that from anything I’ve written.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Says he who kneels to pray to the man with the beard in the sky. How much credit are you giving to your priest of the pedophile cult, I wonder? How much credibility is at stake in your own case? Or how much credit is bestowed (beyond the rattling beggar tin, because God always seems to need a few quid)?

Leave off, this comes from a person who again thinks religion has been exploited rather than religion being created to exploit in the first place.

[Niall_Quinn]

I tried to take this seriously but I got to the point where you said “you probably say you’re a socialist” and gave up

No free market capitalism is very much a thing, the fact that it’s in actuality corporate socialism is because if you have the money to make sure the deck is forever stacked in your favour why wouldn’t you?.

You can’t have free market capitalism and anti trust capitalism. Plutocracy and oligarchical rule where it exists is the inevitable result of the free market.

Of course the idea that socialism is the cure, where the oligarchs and plutocrats instead of influencing the state become the state. I’m amused that you’ve somehow extrapolated that from anything I’ve written.

Well you are very into your right and left and your competing philosophies. You don't strike me as overtly communist, so surely a socialist then? I didn't mean it as an insult, although I suppose I'd be a bit aggrieved (or perplexed) if somebody applied the term to me. Anyway, let me rephrase and say you tend to believe politics is real and there really is a philosophical divide within the establishment.

And so we come back to terminology that relies on establishment definitions as opposed to actions and the consequences of those actions. Let's say that with "free market capitalism" the rich get extraordinarily rich and everyone else fights for the leftovers. And now if you compare that to the inevitable outcome of communism, it leads to the conclusion that "free market economics" (lobbying, subsidies, tax break, tax evasion, two tier law, millions of pages of code) looks like communism, walks like communism and quacks like communism. The end results are the same. Even the methodology is the same.

Genuine competition absent the manipulative state, well that would be very interesting to see. But meritocracies run contrary to the principles of communism. Plutocracy - the politburo, Oligarchy - the priests from the business temple. But the same model. A few at the centre and everyone else directed from that centre. Underpinned by taxation for those who are not as equal as the leadership class. It's always the same.

When people snap out of this then things MAY change. They might. Or people could find another equally pointless, centuries long dead end. We don't know and only somebody selling a book would try to predict. But we do know what happens if we carry on down the current path. There's no secret made about what lies at the end of that path.