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[Mac76]

Labour is bankrupt as a concept, most people hve moved beyond trade unionsim in its pure form, based on massed ranks of workers walking in unison to the factory

a divide party which can't escape socialism will always struggle to win a majority but with the Lib Dems having been destroyed by Clegg they remain by far the second strognest party. It's the reason why we need proportional representation but of course the tories will neveer give it so us and Labour if and when they get into power are too short-sighted to do it either

[Niall_Quinn]

I agree in respect of Tony Blair being the best PM.

I don’t know what the hell happened to him in respect of Iraq. But there are a lot of people in Ireland that are alive today because of his commitment to the Irish peace process - John Major also deserves credit for this.

He also achieved in terms of levelling up before it was a thing by introducing the national minimum wage, despite howls of protest from employer groups and the opposition. That, more than anything, reduced corporate welfare and contributed to an increased standard of living amongst the weakest in society without a voice.

It is some contrast with the completely self absorbed slob we have for a PM now. He doesn’t really give a damn about levelling up - it is a catchphrase and all he will do is put lipstick on a pig.

As for Ireland, it was clear that Brexit, inflicted on Ireland by England, would lead to increased tension, a risk of return to violence and breaches of the GFA. But Johnson didn’t give a fuck because people’s lives pale into insignificance with his pursuit for power.

This is scary. It just shows how little you know about the people behind the rather dull witted Mr Blair. If you want to trace every single problem this country is facing right now back to a catalyst, if not a root cause, Blair was the vessel that delivered it all. His rotten administration picked apart the very fabric of the nation and sowed the seeds for the lunatic left you see today, an absolute slap in the face for the traditional left that busied itself with labour rights as a primary focus. Blair was the empty suit in which the corporatists posing as Cool Britannia rode in to privatise everything in sight, enough to make a tory blush.

Then you say, but wow, what went wrong with Iraq? As if anything went wrong at all. Everything went according to plan because a stuffed shirt can carry new stuffing on a daily basis. Oh yes, one of the two most egregious war criminals of modern times was most certainly the best PM.

Makes total sense, provided you turn a blind eye.

It really is incredible the mountain that needs to be climbed, over that backs of victims that will defend their own slavery with tooth and claw. It would be easy to despair if anyone had the time.

[Niall_Quinn]

Stupid cunt.

[Niall_Quinn]

You make some very fair & interesting points. I do think leaders matter as you say and that was shown in 2019. Corbyn certainly ran on a “positive statement” if you like but people did not trust him at all. They all though Johnson was a better leader. Of course many other issues in that election but i think the polling afterwards showed corbyn was a bigger factor then brexit. People just didnt trust him, no matter if his policies may have been popular.


One issue i do have with you comments on Rayner is about her sacking. She was in charge of the national election campagin which was a failure. Labour lost many councils & councillors while tories made gains 11 years into government. While fully accepting that Starmer is leader, others do have responsibility so is it taht bad if they are held accountable for failing in their role?

No he doesn't. He's a fucking moron who makes it that much harder for non-brain damaged individuals to deter the excess of the ruling class - something the left has been supposedly opposed to since day one but look at the evidence. Anyone that can't see the wood for the transparent trees is likewise a moron.

You people need to wake up now. Just take a look around, see what's happening in the world (as opposed to on your fuckwit TV screen) and tell me the intricacies of party political theatrics is the answer. I mean, what's it going to take?nWhen will that first shoe drop, let alone the other one?

[Niall_Quinn]

The question is, why do people trust Boris? I mean yes yes, he's funny and ha ha ha, look at his hair!
The affable bumbling character he plays is depressingly effective. But he wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him in the face.
He's been sacked more than once for lying.
I sort of get why he's popular but it's frustrating that people don't think a bit deeper than "good old Boris! Ha ha ha, wiff-waff!"

Don't make any firm judgement on Johnson quite yet. Several times now, despite the fact he crumbled in the end, he at least tried to do the right (sane) thing. His spine is not up to bearing much weight. He even lets that rotten cunt he's fucking (can you imagine?) dictate. But I'm not sure he is totally onboard with the nutter crew that is striving to steer the nation into oblivion.

I'll tell you this. Churchill would have eaten every single lunch belonging to these globalist motherfuckers. Boris might be related, but he's no Churchill.

[Niall_Quinn]

Labour is bankrupt as a concept, most people hve moved beyond trade unionsim in its pure form, based on massed ranks of workers walking in unison to the factory

a divide party which can't escape socialism will always struggle to win a majority but with the Lib Dems having been destroyed by Clegg they remain by far the second strognest party. It's the reason why we need proportional representation but of course the tories will neveer give it so us and Labour if and when they get into power are too short-sighted to do it either

OR

The trade unions sold out, hook, line, sinker. Like every leftist that caught sight of the gleaming coin. That's the place you don't want to go, am I right? Trade unionism is just a magical failure with no set cause and there's no point digging into it because what you would find blows the very guts out of this fantasy called socialism. Everyone's a socialist until they have a few quid. True story.

[Xhaka Can’t]

NQ, if you’re right, what does it matter?

[Mac76]

OR

The trade unions sold out, hook, line, sinker. Like every leftist that caught sight of the gleaming coin. That's the place you don't want to go, am I right? Trade unionism is just a magical failure with no set cause and there's no point digging into it because what you would find blows the very guts out of this fantasy called socialism. Everyone's a socialist until they have a few quid. True story.

I'm no massive trade unionist but it's a valid idea for workers to have representatives who dialogue with company owners, the problem is they all too often get hijacked by either extreme left-wing or right-wing leaders who turn the union into a political vehicle

[Ollie the Optimist]

I'm no massive trade unionist but it's a valid idea for workers to have representatives who dialogue with company owners, the problem is they all too often get hijacked by either extreme left-wing or right-wing leaders who turn the union into a political vehicle

I think its fair to ask questions about some trade unions, especially the Unite one which seems more interested in politics then actually trying to help workers.

There was a libel case between Skwakbox (a pro corbyn blogging site) and an ex labour MP. The Labour MP won costs & damages which are around £1.3 million. Unite decided to defend the case for Skawkbox so are picking up the costs. How is that a good use of funds paid by members?

Some of Len Mckluskey’s actions as well as leader also make the Tory corruption scandals look pretty small. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ilding-project


As you say, they get hijacked by the extreme left wing or right wing (although off top of my head I can’t think of any right wing trade unions!).

[Mac76]

I think its fair to ask questions about some trade unions, especially the Unite one which seems more interested in politics then actually trying to help workers.

There was a libel case between Skwakbox (a pro corbyn blogging site) and an ex labour MP. The Labour MP won costs & damages which are around £1.3 million. Unite decided to defend the case for Skawkbox so are picking up the costs. How is that a good use of funds paid by members?

Some of Len Mckluskey’s actions as well as leader also make the Tory corruption scandals look pretty small. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ilding-project


As you say, they get hijacked by the extreme left wing or right wing (although off top of my head I can’t think of any right wing trade unions!).

there are ones which are relatively right-wing though only up to a point obvs, it's going back a long way but in response to when Scargill hijacked the NUM, another miners' union sprang up which was basically a trojan horse for Thatcher politics