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LDG
20-01-2012, 01:24 PM
Following consecutive league defeats (both games in which we took the lead) I think we can all agree the need for savage and violent revolution is obvious. A blood thirsty, shrieking gallop to the hills followed by a good fortnight of medieval combat ought to sort it. Because nothing quite says “ambitious football club” like flapping through a wooded area wearing Arsene Wenger’s skin as a dress and Peter Hill Wood’s nuts for earrings. All whilst screeching like horny hyenas, naturally.
In all seriousness, there’s plenty to be concerned about given the symmetry of our defeats. Both the Fulham and Swansea games were bookended by fast starts, followed by sluggish, leggy second halves that have allowed our opponents to overpower us and win the game. I think that does come back to a point blogger made earlier in the week (http://arseblog.com/2012/01/squad-inefficiencies-require-decision-making/) that a small group of players is being overloaded and the congested Christmas period, with little replenishing of the starting XI has taken its toll.
Still, it’s difficult to ignore the fluctuating, frankly schizophrenic reactions of the fans. Little less than a month ago we were hailing the newfound professionalism in this squad. Two defeats later and we’re back to everything being shit and everyone being a cunt. Defensive frailties can be amended by the sacking of the whole board of directors.
Where Szczesny’s confidence once made him a future great, now it’s evidence that he thinks he’s made it and Ramsey’s entire career written off as average at the age of 21. I often sit and marvel at the energy required to maintain this sort of flip-flopping. It’s dizzying just watching it.
I think the truth is, we’re in a bad spell. All teams get them at some point in a season. The trouble is, the club handled last summer in such slipshod fashion, that we almost wantonly gave ourselves a 5 game handicap at the start of the campaign. These were fairly unique circumstances due to the turmoil we incubated ourselves into. We’ve done well to come from a long way back, but unfortunately, it didn’t leave much room for a bad patch.
It’s important to remember that a good deal of this team weren’t even in situ during that turbulent summer. So the last iffy run of form doesn’t even belong to them, it sits with a barely recognisable mutation of this squad. For all of the full back woes we’ve experienced in the last month or so, it seems ridiculous to contemplate that we finished our first home game of the season with Henri Lansbury at right back. He was an 84th minute substitute in a Championship match this weekend past.
But our full back woes, as it were, have had a deep and cutting effect I think. It’s no coincidence that Walcott’s early season pizzazz has evaporated completely since the twin losses of Sagna and Jenkinson. There was a time, around two seasons ago, when Eboue was preferred to Sagna at right back for home matches. This was not solely because, at the time, Eboue posed a greater attacking threat than Sagna. (Of course Sagna’s response was to stay quiet and improve his crossing, Eboue’s was to soak up the faux adulation afforded to him by his cult status).
But this was just as much because Walcott depends on the ability of his right back to push him up the pitch, to carry the threat and leave him to run in behind opposition defences. We don’t have that sort of weaponry at right full back at the moment, meaning Walcott is having to do his work nearer the halfway line, where his effectiveness is dulled. Gervinho fared slightly better without an attacking left back because he’s more adept at beating players. But the lack of an overlap has affected his and Walcott’s ability to take up central positions.
I’ve seen some scathing criticism of Ramsey’s form and it has confused me somewhat. For me, a player, particularly a midfielder, isn’t in trouble form wise unless he starts completely disappearing in games. Anonymity is a cause for concern. Ramsey has been anything but anonymous. I think he’s become identifiable because it’s perceived that his passes aren’t coming off and that he’s not creating.
Given what I’ve explained above; the reality in my eyes is that he doesn’t have an awful lot ahead of him to aim for. Without overlapping full backs, the wide players aren’t assuming dangerous positions centrally. In Gervinho’s absence, we’re playing Arshavin who, like Benayoun and Rosicky, doesn’t really penetrate in behind defences, but sits off the front line looking to create an opening.
This essentially means our forward line has lacked diversity without proper attacking full backs. Ramsey’s seemingly wonky radar is much about the lack of movement in front of him as it is erring execution. The heavily marked van Persie is usually his only option. That also explains why van Persie’s overall contribution to our build up play has dwindled in the last few games- though thankfully his ability to finish moves hasn’t. The wide players aren’t the viable outlets they were when Sagna and Santos were manning the line, so often the captain has to try to conjure his way through crowds single handedly.
But given the run of form we are in, the voguish criticisms of every facet of the club are creeping back. Whilst in relatively good form, no supporter breathes a word about the board of directors, but a couple of defeats later and blood needs to be smeared across the oak panelled walls of Highbury House. Peter Hill Wood apparently invited a petition for his removal from the board with some really tame comments this week.
Whilst it’s true that Hill Wood is something of an old fuddy duddy, I fail to see the mortal offence taken. His comments amounted to, ‘we really want to get in the Champions League, but if we don’t, we won’t go bust.’ Heathen! How dare he? You can argue that he should perhaps hit the ‘decline’ button once in a while when the Daily Star start calling, but the hysterical screams for his removal are a little much.
For a start, the role of Chairman is a purely ceremonial one. The cigar chomping old codger doesn’t actually run the club in any operational way. Chairmen rarely do in this day and age. Besides which, when Kroenke took over last April, an agreement was signed, locking the current board in for 12 months. It’s almost certain that Hill Wood will be pensioned off in the not too distant future anyway.
When he and other members of the old guard begin to drift away, it won’t be the tempestuous cull many will paint it as. The club’s operational staff has slowly begun to groove to Kroenke’s beat. The appointment of Gazidis was the opening bass trill of this gradual evolution, with Tom Fox and Angus Kinnear joining on drums and keyboards. The board lock in was simply to smooth the transition- it’s very common to have a handover period when stewardship changes in any big company. It stands to reason that the next step will be for the front men to take on a more Yankee drawl when that lockdown expires.
Dein, Edelman and Bracewell-Smith have already scuttled off into the sun, Fiszman sadly no longer with us. Hill Wood is 76 years old, Friar is 78 this spring, Sir Chips Keswick is 71 and Lord Harris turns 70 this year. They’ve steered the club through a huge period of off pitch progression and deserve commendation for doing so. But it’s natural that their time is nigh and they will know that better than anyone. It makes sense to handle that upheaval gradually. So please spare me the “the axe has been wielded because Kroenke is, like, totally pissed dude” comments when they do collect their pensions.
Anyway, I think I’m going to charge back to my little molehill. I figure if I dance naked around it, smearing myself in the droppings of David Dein as I do, it’ll turn into a mountain sooner or later. Till then, adios


Good read this....from Asreblog...The Tim Stillman column.

And an alternative take on some of the backroom stuff going on.


Anyway, thread also for discussing the old cunts and their ramblings.

Power n Glory
20-01-2012, 01:30 PM
Yeah, I thought that was a very good read on Arseblog. It has been a bit of a flip flop reaction.

Niall_Quinn
20-01-2012, 01:30 PM
Good read this....

And an alternative take on some of the backroom stuff going on.


Anyway, thread also for discussing the old cunts and their ramblings.

Certainly an interesting read, if only for the fact the guy bases his whole piss taking argument on a couple of games (which he accuses the dumb fans of doing). If we just forget about the last 5 years he has a point.

LDG
20-01-2012, 01:32 PM
Certainly an interesting read, if only for the fact the guy bases his whole piss taking argument on a couple of games (which he accuses the dumb fans of doing). If we just forget about the last 5 years he has a point.

:good:

LDG
20-01-2012, 01:33 PM
Actually. Was more interested about the succession of the current set-up, and what Kronke is likely to do.

I have an even worse feeling about what is to come.....

LDG
20-01-2012, 01:34 PM
Yeah, I thought that was a very good read on Arseblog. It has been a bit of a flip flop reaction.

Cheers for that. Should have linked it really....http://arseblog.com/

Sorry Mr Blogs :(

Özim
20-01-2012, 01:37 PM
Certainly an interesting read, if only for the fact the guy bases his whole piss taking argument on a couple of games (which he accuses the dumb fans of doing). If we just forget about the last 5 years he has a point.
What happened in the last 5 years????

I've been in a waiting period since 2005.

Fist of Lehmann
20-01-2012, 01:39 PM
Attributed to?

Edit: Ah ok.

LDG
20-01-2012, 01:39 PM
Attributed to?

Tim Stillman's column....was on Arseblog today.

Niall_Quinn
20-01-2012, 01:41 PM
Actually. Was more interested about the succession of the current set-up, and what Kronke is likely to do.

I have an even worse feeling about what is to come.....

I believe we're about to have a Terry Neill revival. "Well we're still doing better than under Terry Neill, remember what it was like under Terry Neill, it's not as if we're back in the Terry Neill days..."

Niall_Quinn
20-01-2012, 01:42 PM
What happened in the last 5 years????

I've been in a waiting period since 2005.

That wasn't the waiting period. That was the bend over and take it hard up the arse period.

Power n Glory
20-01-2012, 01:47 PM
Certainly an interesting read, if only for the fact the guy bases his whole piss taking argument on a couple of games (which he accuses the dumb fans of doing). If we just forget about the last 5 years he has a point.

I think he has a point because I read a few comments about us having strength and depth in the team a few months back and and now people have changed their tune. Some people were saying this midfield was better off without Fabregas and Nasri and now I'm reading comments about how we miss there playmaking ability. People saying the team was mentally stronger and always said wait until Christmas and when the pressure is really on. It's all a bit up and down. I think people were too quick too assume we'd turned over a new leaf. That's been the problem.

Niall_Quinn
20-01-2012, 01:48 PM
I think he has a point because I read a few comments about us having strength and depth in the team a few months back and and now people have changed their tune. Some people were saying this midfield was better off without Fabregas and Nasri and now I'm reading comments about how we miss there playmaking ability. People saying the team was mentally stronger and always said wait until Christmas and when the pressure is really on. It's all a bit up and down. I think people were too quick too assume we'd turned over a new leaf. That's been the problem.

Not sure anyone was saying we had more strength in depth. More experience and fewer absolute fuck-ups and more team cohesion I think was the general opinion. And we do when we can get our players on the pitch, which is hardly ever.

Özim
20-01-2012, 01:52 PM
Our difficult times are always after Christmas generally (other than November), we got a few wins before Christmas but how often have we actually played really well and looked a very good side?

Winning when not playing well is great, but rarely playing well isn't, Cesc and Nasri may not have been a perfect fit but they were quality players who had a lot of influence on our results, the players we've replaced them with are decent but don't have that special something that sets certain players apart from the rest.

Been a bit disappointed with Arteta, I thought he was better than he is, whilst he might work hard and do his bit, he really lacks the star quality I thought he had.

Power n Glory
20-01-2012, 01:53 PM
Not sure anyone was saying we had more strength in depth. More experience and fewer absolute fuck-ups and more team cohesion I think was the general opinion. And we do when we can get our players on the pitch, which is hardly ever.

People were saying it. Besides the strikers, people were comfortable with what we had.

selassie
20-01-2012, 01:57 PM
I personally feel that many people, not just on this board simply do not trust the board & manager at Arsenal. That's probably one of the key reasons why when the team starts to struggle the venom comes out. I personally think the board & manager are walking on egg shells when it comes to the trust of the supporters, how many folks on here are happy with the way the team and to a lesser extent the club is being managed?

Niall_Quinn
20-01-2012, 02:00 PM
People were saying it. Besides the strikers, people were comfortable with what we had.

Again, as I recall people were more comfortable about our ability to squeak 4th spot rather than collapse down the league. None of us even hint at the possibility of actually challenging for anything any more. So everything has to be viewed through a filter of much lower expectations. The sheer terror of what we were seeing in the early weeks and the fate of the club was met by a lot of relief when we finally got a few bodies in. We all know we're not the team the media make out, we don't retain the ball any more, our passing game has gone, our attacking force is a shell. We shored up the defence and added a bit of experience in the middle. Speaking for myself I remember thinking thank fuck, at least we won't be humiliated in every game now. Then looking at how poor the opposition was it became conceivable we could grind out 4th spot in unspectacular but workmanlike fashion. Then the new players got injured or fucked off to some nothing tournament in Africa and that was that. It's funny how the circle has completed just as we are getting ready to face Utd again. Funny in a wrist slashing way.

LDG
20-01-2012, 02:01 PM
I think the problem lies with the awful soundbites we get.

They wind people right up.

I just wish they'd come up with some better lies.

Niall_Quinn
20-01-2012, 02:02 PM
I personally feel that many people, not just on this board simply do not trust the board & manager at Arsenal. That's probably one of the key reasons why when the team starts to struggle the venom comes out. I personally think the board & manager are walking on egg shells when it comes to the trust of the supporters, how many folks on here are happy with the way the team and to a lesser extent the club is being managed?

Plus the fact it's the transfer window when we could actually do something about this shit, but choose to do nothing instead.

Niall_Quinn
20-01-2012, 02:05 PM
I think the problem lies with the awful soundbites we get.

They wind people right up.

I just wish they'd come up with some better lies.

To be fair to PHW, "Nice" was something new, but still didn't go down well. The guy can't win. I think people are expecting him to say enough is enough, we've tried doing this by trading football cards and sharing our crisps but now we are going to try running the club as if we want to compete. So the fans are very unrealistic, in fact it's entirely the fans' faults. We are too thick to understand what's going on and for some stupid reason judge everything by results on the pitch. I think until we grow up and accept that football is all about a few people getting very rich we're always going to be disappointed by the way the board behaves.

-Xs-
20-01-2012, 08:35 PM
It's a "nice" article, but is missing the point entirely.

We had an entire summer to sort out re-enforcement's, sort out the squad and get ready for the season ahead; we lowly fans could all see that if the squad wasn't strong enough last year, on the back of that horrid collapse, sitting there and doing nothing about it wasn't the correct path to take. We started the season as we finished the last, capitualted with an 8-2 mauling by our once rivals (which, by the way, may have cost quite a few managers out there their job in it's own right, no top team should be losing by such a scoreline). Only then did then club decide to act.

Like NQ said, we are now back to square one, in a transfer window, squad decimated, whilst the people who can sort it refuse to.

We get lied to all the time, Aw talks about super quality then signs players like Chamakh.

All the while, down the road, the spuds are quietly getting on with the job at hand and actually building a team which is
coming close to challenging, rather than just making excuses for not doing so.

Power n Glory
20-01-2012, 08:45 PM
I think you may have missed the point the writer was making. He isn't excusing any of that.

-Xs-
20-01-2012, 08:51 PM
Please elaborate, it was called The board, and then talked about how people seem to have only raised these points again since the last few games. They haven't.

Olivier's xmas twist
20-01-2012, 09:06 PM
Our difficult times are always after Christmas generally (other than November), we got a few wins before Christmas but how often have we actually played really well and looked a very good side?

Winning when not playing well is great, but rarely playing well isn't, Cesc and Nasri may not have been a perfect fit but they were quality players who had a lot of influence on our results, the players we've replaced them with are decent but don't have that special something that sets certain players apart from the rest.

Been a bit disappointed with Arteta, I thought he was better than he is, whilst he might work hard and do his bit, he really lacks the star quality I thought he had.

Even with them we still missed lots of star quality. We still had players who could not be bothered when it came to comps like the CC/Fa cups. We have a team now that wants to win things but is missing star quality.

Özim
21-01-2012, 11:46 AM
Even with them we still missed lots of star quality. We still had players who could not be bothered when it came to comps like the CC/Fa cups. We have a team now that wants to win things but is missing star quality.
I agree with you, but if you get rid of those top players you have and don't replace them you're only going to go one way in the league.

We do need some really top class players who can just change things with a moment of magic, I just feel we have a lot of ordinary players these days, not many players who can make the difference.....it's showing to be honest...over the last 6 years we've seen a real drop in quality.

Cripps_orig
21-06-2012, 08:12 PM
Eastern European tycoon Alisher Usmanov has revealed he would like to increase his stake at Premier League giants Arsenal, but insisted he is not interested in joining the board.

Usmanov is one of a handful of billionaires who own or hold stakes in top-flight clubs alongside Russian oligarch Roman Abramovic at Chelsea and Anton Zingarevich, who recently acquired a 51 per cent ownership of newly promoted Reading through his company Thames Sports Investment.

"As much as possible, every time, I'm open to increase my shares," Usmanov revealed at an international economic forum in St. Petersburg.

According to the club's official website, Usmanov and business partner Farhad Moshiri's Red and White Holdings currently own 29.72 per cent of Arsenal Holdings plc after initially acquiring a £75million stake from David Dein back in 2007.

American billionaire, Stan Kroenke, is currently the club's majority shareholder after buying a 66.83 per cent stake from Danny Fiszman and Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, but the two have been at loggerheads for some time after the Missouri entrepreneur was obliged to make an offer for Usmanov's shares, which he rejected.

However, Usmanov has accused Kroenke, whose enterprise also owns the NBA's Denver Nuggets, Colorado Rapids of Major League Soccer, Colorado Avalanche of the NHL and the NFL's St. Louis Rams, of a lack of ambition and investment in the London club.

"No, I don't want to be on the board when I'm not invited," he added.

Need to get him in asap. Yanks been a failure