View Full Version : Wenger must go end of the season
LOL, what a joker you are. Surely you know by now that football is all about the balance sheet and the share price? Get with the times. How do you expect the shareholders to milk the club if they spend all the money on building teams that can win shit? You do realise we have been the balance sheet champions for the last 5 years! :trophy: A dynasty and you are complaining. As the old saying goes, you can please the shareholders all the time but never the fans any of the time.
You're quite right, apologies for the error.
Fans, what do they know anyway, "2% away from domination" and they're still not happy!
Olivier's xmas twist
30-01-2012, 02:31 PM
Nothing wrong with the article at all, doesnt matter where its written.
Jose is a better football manager than Arsene, period, and I would like to see him as our next manager because of this.
Let him manage a villa and a blackburn without spending big and then going on to win the league with them, then we will see how good a manager he really is.
Checkbook manager at best.
Let him manage a villa and a blackburn without spending big and then going on to win the league with them, then we will see how good a manager he really is.
Checkbook manager at best.
He's a better manager end of, even without signing players he gets his players playing in a very disciplined fashion and everyone plays for each other.
Tactically he's also very astute and uses substitutions very well, he'll never need to manage smaller clubs as he's one of the best managers around and can get a job at a top club, at Porto though I think he proved how good he was, beating the best on the way to two European trophies, you could hardly call him a chequebook manager at that time.
You also have to look at how the clubs he has managed have done since he left, none of them have been anywhere near as good.
Olivier's xmas twist
30-01-2012, 02:42 PM
He's a better manager end of, even without signing players he gets his players playing in a very disciplined fashion and everyone plays for each other.
Tactically he's also very astute and uses substitutions very well, he'll never need to manage smaller clubs as he's one of the best managers around and can get a job at a top club, at Porto though I think he proved how good he was, beating the best on the way to two European trophies, you could hardly call him a chequebook manager at that time.
You also have to look at how the clubs he has managed have done since he left, none of them have been anywhere near as good.
Then let him go to fulham and manage them on a budget see how he does there then if he is that good. I never said He was not the better manager did i.
end of the day id love aw to leave end of the season, but not to be replaced with this cretin, Don't care who he has managed or what he has won.
Then let him go to fulham and manage them on a budget see how he does there then if he is that good.
Why would he? You say let him but of course it will never happen...top managers have their pick of the best jobs and he's one of the very best. Like I said Porto were nothing special.
He's proven and nothing anyone says can discredit that, proofs in the pudding and the results speak for themselves for him. Wenger well, he did well but results have been going downhill for the last 6 years, not sure he could do a job at Fulham either, after all you forget he wouldn't be able to pay high salaries to kids and wouldn't have the amount to spend on salaries he does now.
Cripps_orig
30-01-2012, 02:46 PM
Then let him go to fulham and manage them on a budget see how he does there then if he is that good. I never said He was not the better manager did i.
end of the day id love aw to leave end of the season, but not to be replaced with this cretin, Don't care who he has managed or what he has won.What kind of a stupid ass argument is that?
In that case, Ferguson is shite cos hes not done it with a small club and only Man Utd.
Olivier's xmas twist
30-01-2012, 03:04 PM
What kind of a stupid ass argument is that?
In that case, Ferguson is shite cos hes not done it with a small club and only Man Utd.
Not really your all going on about how good he is if he is really as goood as you say why can't he win the league with fulham ?
But thanks to our board this will never happen, best thing they will ever do for this club.
Cripps_orig
30-01-2012, 03:07 PM
Not really your all going on about how good he is if he is really as goood as you say why can't he win the league with fulham ?
But thanks to our board this will never happen, best thing they will ever do for this club.Cos Fulham cant afford him? Cos Fulham have shite players?
They wont win the league under Mourinho, they wont win it under anyone but im pretty sure Fulham would be doing better than they are right now
I used to say Wenger was a good coach but terrible manager.
He is neither from what he has dished up in the last couple of seasons.
He used to have an edge, but he has stood still while others caught up and passed him.
As a certain Mr Einstein stated; “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Olivier's xmas twist
30-01-2012, 03:19 PM
Cos Fulham cant afford him? Cos Fulham have shite players?
They wont win the league under Mourinho, they wont win it under anyone but im pretty sure Fulham would be doing better than they are right now
But hes a motivator and can get the best out of his players best manager in the world apprently
Cripps_orig
30-01-2012, 03:21 PM
But hes a motivator and can get the best out of his players best manager in the world apprentlyWell he will get the best out of those players. Doesnt mean they will win the league but they imo would finish top 8 every season which for a club the size of Fulham would be brilliant
Olivier's xmas twist
30-01-2012, 03:22 PM
I used to say Wenger was a good coach but terrible manager.
He is neither from what he has dished up in the last couple of seasons.
He used to have an edge, but he has stood still while others caught up and passed him.
As a certain Mr Einstein stated; “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Wenger has never been a coach imo
Coney
30-01-2012, 04:35 PM
Let him manage a villa and a blackburn without spending big and then going on to win the league with them, then we will see how good a manager he really is.
Checkbook manager at best.
Alan Sugar was on a football discussion a couple of months back and the interviewer was banging on about 'the special one'. Alan Sugar just said "let him try managing Wycombe Wanderers and then we'll see how special he is". :lol:
Coney
30-01-2012, 04:36 PM
I used to say Wenger was a good coach but terrible manager.
He is neither from what he has dished up in the last couple of seasons.
He used to have an edge, but he has stood still while others caught up and passed him.
As a certain Mr Einstein stated; “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
So Einstein predicted GW?
So Einstein predicted GW?
e=(WUM)c^2
e=(WUM)c^2
The Theory of Negativity.
Coney
31-01-2012, 09:09 AM
The Law of Conservation of MomentWum.
Xhaka Can’t
31-01-2012, 10:36 AM
I would have Jose here in a flash. Tactically he is much smarter than Wenger. He is a big spender yes, but he wins, by whatever means, and thats what I want from a team, who wants to watch losers? Thats what we are doing now, and tbh Im not enjoying it too much.
Anyone think he would actually come to us, if the option came up for him?
I don't think I'd go to a single game with Mourinho in charge.
KSE Comedy Club
31-01-2012, 11:04 AM
I don't think I'd go to a single game with Mourinho in charge.
No offence, and please dont take this the wrong way, but....
I dont think anyone would give a shit, especially if we were back to winning ways.
Coney
31-01-2012, 11:05 AM
I used to say Wenger was a good coach but terrible manager.
He is neither from what he has dished up in the last couple of seasons.
So you are saying he is not a terrible manager then? :unsure:
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 11:10 AM
No offence, and please dont take this the wrong way, but....
I dont think anyone would give a shit, especially if we were back to winning ways.
i think you find they well, more people would be against him coming then those that won't.
KSE Comedy Club
31-01-2012, 11:13 AM
i think you find they well, more people would be against him coming then those that won't.
GB?
Has he upset the emirates faithful?
What have you been up to GB!?
GB?
Has he upset the emirates faithful?
What have you been up to GB!?
He disturbs the view of the game with his big foam hockey hand :sulk:
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 11:17 AM
GB?
Has he upset the emirates faithful?
What have you been up to GB!?
Jose
KSE Comedy Club
31-01-2012, 11:18 AM
He disturbs the view of the game with his big foam hockey hand :sulk:
Oh well, cant have that sort of shit going on at games tbh.
KSE Comedy Club
31-01-2012, 11:18 AM
Jose
I was talking about GB though ;)
Xhaka Can’t
31-01-2012, 11:21 AM
No offence, and please dont take this the wrong way, but....
I dont think anyone would give a shit, especially if we were back to winning ways.
Whether I as an individual go or not is in itself immaterial. But JM would alienate more than just me. If you want success at any price financially or ethically, that is your business. And it is something I couldn't give a shit about, which is why I wouldn't go.
KSE Comedy Club
31-01-2012, 11:32 AM
Whether I as an individual go or not is in itself immaterial. But JM would alienate more than just me. If you want success at any price financially or ethically, that is your business. And it is something I couldn't give a shit about, which is why I wouldn't go.
It was just a bit of fun mate :good:
But I wouldnt be worried about having Jose as a manger personally.
Xhaka Can’t
31-01-2012, 11:42 AM
No worries. I'm not an old Etonian by any measure, but Mourinho goes beyond anything I'll tolerate in the name of my Club.
No worries. I'm not an old Etonian by any measure, but Mourinho goes beyond anything I'll tolerate in the name of my Club.
Agreed.
i think you find they well, more people would be against him coming then those that won't.
I'm not so sure. In any case I think a couple of wins and people would start cheering. Many fans are fickle like that. We've seen it happen with other clubs many times. e.g. Rooney says he wants to leave - many Man Utd fans says they don't want him playing for them and many expected him to leave. He stays, now they all love him.
He's a twat, no doubt. So are a lot of managers. He's not Joey Barton scum. He doesn't fuck clubs over like 'Arry. He doesn't make racist slurs like Aragones. He has a god complex but he's not a nasty piece of work. What's the worst thing he has done? Be a smarmy little twat in the media? I could deal with that.
My view to getting a manager like Mourinho is very different from getting a billionnaire owner in who makes this club his penis extension, like Man City or Chelsea. Then I really would find it hard to care about Arsenal. I like that we're fighting the good fight but wouldn't be against Mourinho to come in and ruffle a few feathers.
Mourinho wouldn't be my first choice at all though. The reason for that is not about him as a person - which I don't mind so much right now, but I suspect Mourinho is someone who probably doesn't give a fuck about anybody but himself. And so he wouldn't stay for very long and though he might well leave us in a better position to when he arrives, for a club looking for some stable progress, Mourinho isn't the ideal man. Although I think Maccy said something the other day about Mourinho wanting to build a dynasty. That might not be what we want either but even right now, Wenger is bigger than the club. We can't get rid of him and he's dragging us down. The important thing going for Wenger is that we know he cares, so we tolerate it.
Jürgen Klopp for next Arsenal manager. Henry as assistant manager. :cloud9:
Coney
31-01-2012, 02:14 PM
No worries. I'm not an old Etonian by any measure, but Mourinho goes beyond anything I'll tolerate in the name of my Club.
I think that is most unfair. Just because he is a conceited self-centred slimey cunt, you shouldn't hold that against him.
Coney
31-01-2012, 02:15 PM
He doesn't fuck clubs over like 'Arry.
Yeah - look at spuds now. Their fans must be furious with him.
Yeah - look at spuds now. Their fans must be furious with him.
You're quite right - his career began at the spuds.
McNamara That Ghost...
31-01-2012, 02:35 PM
You're quite right - his career ended at the spuds.
Yup.
I'm not so sure. In any case I think a couple of wins and people would start cheering. Many fans are fickle like that. We've seen it happen with other clubs many times. e.g. Rooney says he wants to leave - many Man Utd fans says they don't want him playing for them and many expected him to leave. He stays, now they all love him.
He's a twat, no doubt. So are a lot of managers. He's not Joey Barton scum. He doesn't fuck clubs over like 'Arry. He doesn't make racist slurs like Aragones. He has a god complex but he's not a nasty piece of work. What's the worst thing he has done? Be a smarmy little twat in the media? I could deal with that.
My view to getting a manager like Mourinho is very different from getting a billionnaire owner in who makes this club his penis extension, like Man City or Chelsea. Then I really would find it hard to care about Arsenal. I like that we're fighting the good fight but wouldn't be against Mourinho to come in and ruffle a few feathers.
Mourinho wouldn't be my first choice at all though. The reason for that is not about him as a person - which I don't mind so much right now, but I suspect Mourinho is someone who probably doesn't give a fuck about anybody but himself. And so he wouldn't stay for very long and though he might well leave us in a better position to when he arrives, for a club looking for some stable progress, Mourinho isn't the ideal man. Although I think Maccy said something the other day about Mourinho wanting to build a dynasty. That might not be what we want either but even right now, Wenger is bigger than the club. We can't get rid of him and he's dragging us down. The important thing going for Wenger is that we know he cares, so we tolerate it.
Jürgen Klopp for next Arsenal manager. Henry as assistant manager. :cloud9:
I don’t think Mourinho will ever want to fight against the odds. Porto were the big guys in Portugal, sure they won in Europe but they were never even expected to be in the European challenge, let alone maintain it. The Game game a good overview of where he might go, ruling out the Glaziers due to the funds he’d demand, which in turn rules us out. Chelsea for obvious reasons are non starters so it leaves Spurs, Liverpool or City – I wouldn’t rule out the latter taking place, as Mourinho being available would be the perfect chance for them to really take a strangle hold on the Prem and more importantly for their branding in Europe. Mancini is wank in the CL, as Inter proved.
I don’t think Mourinho will ever want to fight against the odds. Porto were the big guys in Portugal, sure they won in Europe but they were never even expected to be in the European challenge, let alone maintain it. The Game game a good overview of where he might go, ruling out the Glaziers due to the funds he’d demand, which in turn rules us out. Chelsea for obvious reasons are non starters so it leaves Spurs, Liverpool or City – I wouldn’t rule out the latter taking place, as Mourinho being available would be the perfect chance for them to really take a strangle hold on the Prem and more importantly for their branding in Europe. Mancini is wank in the CL, as Inter proved.
Of course it's all hypothetical - I agree that Mourinho wouldn't want to manage Arsenal and, maybe, our board would think Mourinho would be a nightmare to deal with. I think he's fighting against the odds for Real Madrid. Sure Real Madrid aren't a rubbish team but they're, ability-wise, clearly not as good as Barcelona. He gets results and not just through buying the best team (he doesn't have the best team right now and they're 7 points clear).
But forget Mourinho - I think other managers would see what is happening with the club right now and be a little wary of joining us. If Wenger was spending at Dalglish/Redknapp levels and we were in the same league position, they'd be more hopeful of getting some transfer funds. At the moment it's all a bit cloudy. But we are a big name club, in London, with a good history, tradition etc etc. so that will count for something.
Letters
31-01-2012, 03:13 PM
I'm not so sure. In any case I think a couple of wins and people would start cheering. Many internet twats are fickle like that.
Just corrected that part for you
I see that the failed project youth has reared it's ugly head again with the signing of an unproven unEnglish prospect under 20.
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 07:33 PM
I see that the failed project youth has reared it's ugly head again with the signing of an unproven unEnglish prospect under 20.
yep signing one kid and its project youth again, i see how that works.
yep signing one kid and its project youth again, i se how that works.
Come off it the guy has been signing primarily kids for the last 6 years, either you have a short memory or are suffering from memory loss if you don't see that.
The failure is having another go at the failed policy.
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 07:38 PM
Come off it the guy has been signing primarily kids for the last 6 years, either you have a short memory or are suffering from memory loss if you don't see that.
The failure is having another go at the failed policy.
Because of 1 transfer were signing kids again, OH dear, could understand if we bought in 5 or 6 kids, bringing this guy in means nout.
Because of 1 transfer were signing kids again, OH dear, could understand if we bought in 5 or 6 kids, bringing this guy in means nout.
We have never signed that amount of kids before so why say that.
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 07:44 PM
We have never signed that amount of kids before so why say that.
Because we used to all the time, maybe not all at once but within a window we'd sign a few. I don't see how signing a kid who probs won't even play is starting up project youth.
Niall_Quinn
31-01-2012, 07:44 PM
Isn't there some sort of law against luring kids under false pretences?
It's not starting up again, it never ended!!!!.
Wenger will never understand failure, because he is too stubborn. This will never stop.
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 07:55 PM
It's not starting up again, it never ended!!!!.
Wenger will never understand failure, because he is too stubborn. This will never stop.
To you and me its faliure to him and the board its sucess thats the diffrence, it will only be failure when the board tell him it is.
To you and me its faliure to him and the board its sucess thats the diffrence, it will only be failure when the board tell him it is.
They'd have to find their way our of his arse before they can do that though, seeing as they are wedged so far up there that's very unlikely.
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:00 PM
They'd have to find their way our of his arse before they can do that though, seeing as they are wedged so far up there that's very unlikely.
Not at all money is going in their pockets and as long as it does all that matters. Me and you anre nothing to them and they don't care. But why would Ivan or AW tbh we don't pay them so what we say is irrelevant really, they will support those putting moeny in their banks tbh.
Cripps_orig
31-01-2012, 08:04 PM
Must go now
I hope the pr*ck gets roundly booed at every remaining match this season!
Cripps_orig
31-01-2012, 08:07 PM
I hope the pr*ck gets roundly booed at every remaining match this season!:gp:
Master Splinter
31-01-2012, 08:08 PM
I hope Ach gets booed in every remaining match too.
Ollie the Optimist
31-01-2012, 08:09 PM
I hope the pr*ck gets roundly booed at every remaining match this season!
why? what good will it do. the best we can do now, is get right behind the team and the manager for the rest of the season. who knows if we all act like we believe, the players might and we could end up with a trophy. in the cups, anything can happen. remember 06? written off in europe, we got to the final. no reason we cant do it again. get past milan, get a good draw and who knows?
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:11 PM
why? what good will it do. the best we can do now, is get right behind the team and the manager for the rest of the season. who knows if we all act like we believe, the players might and we could end up with a trophy. in the cups, anything can happen. remember 06? written off in europe, we got to the final. no reason we cant do it again. get past milan, get a good draw and who knows?
What do you expect from GW posters, i min they tell youthey don't cae about DD day because we won't sign any players, when we don't they still get worked up and start moaning.
Don't see why Wenger should be booed at every match will change nothing ever just hurt the team more. some fans are patheitc.
why? what good will it do. the best we can do now, is get right behind the team and the manager for the rest of the season. who knows if we all act like we believe, the players might and we could end up with a trophy. in the cups, anything can happen. remember 06? written off in europe, we got to the final. no reason we cant do it again. get past milan, get a good draw and who knows?
What good will it do? Hopefully convince him he needs to move on, if booing him after every match does the trick then great!
We can look at the past and see how good it was, but those times are long gone and aren't coming back, we're not going to win anything this season and I think 4th place will be beyond us as well, we're only heading one way under Wenger and it's not the right way...he's finished IMO.
If you think we have a hope in the CL you need to wake up and smell the coffee, the top teams wil put us to the sword, we're proven failures, we've shown it time and time again...new ideas are needed.
What do you expect from GW posters, i min they tell youthey don't cae about DD day because we won't sign any players, when we don't they still get worked up and start moaning.
Don't see why Wenger should be booed at every match will change nothing ever just hurt the team more. some fans are patheitc.
The pr*ck never signs anyone decent, it's not just now it window after window year after year, he watches our best players leave and replaces them with kids or sub standard journeymen.
Wenger deserves to be booed every match and so do the board, for treating the fans with so much contempt, this team is going to achieve nothing with or without booing.
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
31-01-2012, 08:17 PM
the fans moan but i don't think they up the ante, not saying we need to chant "wenger out" every home game between now and the end of the season, but perhaps like we did in the last home game of the season against villa should maybe unfurl some wenger out banners.
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:17 PM
The pr*ck never signs anyone decent, it's not just now it window after window year after year, he watches our best players leave and replaces them with kids or sub standard journeymen.
Wenger deserves to be booed every match and so do the board, for treating the fans with so much contempt, this team is going to achieve nothing with or without booing.
So we should boo him while were playing ?
Niall_Quinn
31-01-2012, 08:17 PM
why? what good will it do. the best we can do now, is get right behind the team and the manager for the rest of the season. who knows if we all act like we believe, the players might and we could end up with a trophy. in the cups, anything can happen. remember 06? written off in europe, we got to the final. no reason we cant do it again. get past milan, get a good draw and who knows?
That's tomorrow. Today is another transfer window close and a perfectly appropriate time to slaughter these tight fisted misers.
So we should boo him while were playing ?
If it does the trick and moves him on, then yes please.
The guy needs to know he's not wanted here, he's had it far too easy for far too long, same goes for the board......staying quiet and whispering under your breath whilst they take the p*ss hasn't exactly done the trick has it.
Ollie the Optimist
31-01-2012, 08:20 PM
What good will it do? Hopefully convince him he needs to move on, if booing him after every match does the trick then great!
We can look at the past and see how good it was, but those times are long gone and aren't coming back, we're not going to win anything this season and I think 4th place will be beyond us as well, we're only heading one way under Wenger and it's not the right way...he's finished IMO.
If you think we have a hope in the CL you need to wake up and smell the coffee, the top teams wil put us to the sword, we're proven failures, we've shown it time and time again...new ideas are needed.
i am seeing that wenger needs to go, but there is a chance of fourth, we are not that far off believe it or not. the good times will come back, maybe not this season, but while we are still in a cup, there is hope. small hope admittly but a glimmer of hope i wont let go off until we are out.
on the point about the CL, as i said, its cup, get lucky and who knows? we've beaten the big boys before when written off, barca last year for one, and we were a bentner fuck up from knocking them out
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:23 PM
If it does the trick and moves him on, then yes please.
The guy needs to know he's not wanted here, he's had it far too easy for far too long, same goes for the board......staying quiet and whispering under your breath whilst they take the p*ss hasn't exactly done the trick has it.
as long as 60,000 go to the game/s he will be wanted here booed or not.
as long as 60,000 go to the game/s he will be wanted here booed or not.
I think you'll find if people boo and put up banners of Wenger out and show no support for him he'll soon be on his way, that's how other fans do it.
Master Splinter
31-01-2012, 08:25 PM
I think you'll find if people boo and put up banners of Wenger out and show no support for him he'll soon be on his way, that's how other fans do it.
Steve Kean says hi.
Cripps_orig
31-01-2012, 08:25 PM
I think you'll find if people boo and put up banners of Wenger out and show no support for him he'll soon be on his way, that's how other fans do it.This
Plus i believe Gazidis said at the start of the season that only Arsenal fans can get rid of Wenger.
Every true gooner wants this to happen
Steve Kean says hi.
Did you ask him if he wants a job, there might be a vacancy soon.
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:28 PM
I think you'll find if people boo and put up banners of Wenger out and show no support for him he'll soon be on his way, that's how other fans do it.
Don't think booing does anything, i mean it has not made him sign quality tbh. and 60,000 fans won't boo him just won't happen.
Ollie the Optimist
31-01-2012, 08:28 PM
I think you'll find if people boo and put up banners of Wenger out and show no support for him he'll soon be on his way, that's how other fans do it.
hmmm didnt work for blackburn. the board will quite frankly not give a toss if money there.
zimm - do you agree that possibly booing every game will utlitmately cost us more then it gains? board unliekly to sack wenger if money there but it could drive away players like rvp, stop new big signings coming in to a set of fans that boo the whole time?
Marc Overmars
31-01-2012, 08:30 PM
The French prick.
Don't think booing does anything, i mean it has not made him sign quality tbh. and 60,000 fans won't boo him just won't happen.
This is the problem of course, people staying quiet and just accepting they can't change anything. If that's the case revolutions wouldn't exist.
Master Splinter
31-01-2012, 08:30 PM
Did you ask him if he wants a job, there might be a vacancy soon.
He is observing the waiting period.
Which corresponds to the length of Wenger's contract.
Ollie the Optimist
31-01-2012, 08:32 PM
This is the problem of course, people staying quiet and just accepting they can't change anything. If that's the case revolutions wouldn't exist.
best way to do it is to vote with feet by not going. not renewing memberships, not buying programs etc i dont know but stopping a source of income to the board will do more then boos
Niall_Quinn
31-01-2012, 08:32 PM
i am seeing that wenger needs to go, but there is a chance of fourth, we are not that far off believe it or not. the good times will come back, maybe not this season, but while we are still in a cup, there is hope. small hope admittly but a glimmer of hope i wont let go off until we are out.
on the point about the CL, as i said, its cup, get lucky and who knows? we've beaten the big boys before when written off, barca last year for one, and we were a bentner fuck up from knocking them out
You're that guy from Animal House who keeps on shouting, "Remain Calm! All is Well!", and then gets stampeded to death.
That's who you are.
hmmm didnt work for blackburn. the board will quite frankly not give a toss if money there.
zimm - do you agree that possibly booing every game will utlitmately cost us more then it gains? board unliekly to sack wenger if money there but it could drive away players like rvp, stop new big signings coming in to a set of fans that boo the whole time?
If it goes on long enough it'll work, no manager will stay when he's booed every match the pressure will be too much.
I'm not sure what it will cost us, what have we got to lose, RVP may well be gone in the summer anyway when a bid comes in, he hasn't signed a new contract has he.
Niall_Quinn
31-01-2012, 08:34 PM
Don't think booing does anything, i mean it has not made him sign quality tbh. and 60,000 fans won't boo him just won't happen.
Maybe bludgeoning them all to death with pick axe handles would be the better way to go?
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:34 PM
Steve Kean says hi.
:haha:
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
31-01-2012, 08:34 PM
like with the current political/economic situation the only way is violent revolution, hold the board hostage charlie bronson style
best way to do it is to vote with feet by not going. not renewing memberships, not buying programs etc i dont know but stopping a source of income to the board will do more then boos
That would be a good way yes, but it seems booing is more likely, people don't seem to want to stop going.
Booing Wenger isn't booing the team.
Ollie the Optimist
31-01-2012, 08:35 PM
You're that guy from Animal House who keeps on shouting, "Remain Calm! All is Well!", and then gets stampeded to death.
That's who you are.
:lol: thing is i am pissed off at the club, we should be much better then this but there is fuck all i can do. i find it easier to cope with the mess taht is our club by clinging onto hope. it at least makes the season a bit longer and bit more enjoyable
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:37 PM
This is the problem of course, people staying quiet and just accepting they can't change anything. If that's the case revolutions wouldn't exist.
You can change things by staying quite just not go to games, vote with the feet. Not saying fans should never ever boo just not all the time. If you so for it organise a march to show you want him out etc.
Marc Overmars
31-01-2012, 08:37 PM
:lol: thing is i am pissed off at the club, we should be much better then this but there is fuck all i can do. i find it easier to cope with the mess taht is our club by clinging onto hope. it at least makes the season a bit longer and bit more enjoyable
Like Letters, who feigns disgust with the club then calls everyone elses WUMs when they do the same.
Letters' son. :bow:
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:38 PM
The French prick.
?
Ollie the Optimist
31-01-2012, 08:38 PM
That would be a good way yes, but it seems booing is more likely, people don't seem to want to stop going.
Booing Wenger isn't booing the team.
i get that it is booing wenger not the team but still the board can ignore it and you can expect PHW to come out with you dont know what you have etc. money changes it in a way, they realise fans wont put up with it anymore. also if wenger goes, and a new manager comes in and wenger was right over no money, will the new manager get moeny to spend or will he have to make similar signings
Dennis Bendtner
31-01-2012, 08:39 PM
Like Letters, who feigns disgust with the club then calls everyone elses WUMs when they do the same.
Letters' son. :bow:
You Internet twat™
Master Splinter
31-01-2012, 08:39 PM
?
Koscielny.
Niall_Quinn
31-01-2012, 08:39 PM
:lol: thing is i am pissed off at the club, we should be much better then this but there is fuck all i can do. i find it easier to cope with the mess taht is our club by clinging onto hope. it at least makes the season a bit longer and bit more enjoyable
Make no mistake, do not doubt it for a moment, abandon all hope because we are well and truly fucking doomed!
In my opinion.
Cripps_orig
31-01-2012, 08:39 PM
Like Letters, who feigns disgust with the club then calls everyone elses WUMs when they do the same.
Letters' son. :bow:Never a truer word said
And if you look at Ollies and Letter's ages, its possible.
Letters in his mid 30s, Ollie is what? 14?
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:40 PM
Koscielny.
:lol: thought he wa talking about Evra but was scared of getting done for Racism
Like Letters, who feigns disgust with the club then calls everyone elses WUMs when they do the same.
Letters' son. :bow:
:lol:
Master Splinter
31-01-2012, 08:43 PM
So Letters' son and Charlie's cousin posting on the board. And Maccy and Rors are brothers, yes?
Any other dynasties posting on GW?
Power n Glory
31-01-2012, 08:46 PM
best way to do it is to vote with feet by not going. not renewing memberships, not buying programs etc i dont know but stopping a source of income to the board will do more then boos
Stan and Gazidis will pay attention to that. They're focusses on extending the Arsenal brand worldwide and bringing in extra cash, if the stadium seats start looking empty, it won't go unrecognised.
hymppi
31-01-2012, 08:54 PM
So Letters' son and Charlie's cousin posting on the board. And Maccy and Rors are brothers, yes?
Any other dynasties posting on GW?
maccy and rors? surely not?
Olivier's xmas twist
31-01-2012, 08:56 PM
So Letters' son and Charlie's cousin posting on the board. And Maccy and Rors are brothers, yes?
Any other dynasties posting on GW?
:lol:
Olivier's xmas twist
01-02-2012, 11:35 PM
Not one fan has rung up to defend th guy on TS tonight, the tide is deffo turning.
Xhaka Can’t
01-02-2012, 11:37 PM
Not one fan has rung up to defend th guy on TS tonight, the tide is deffo turning.
I couldn't get through.
Niall_Quinn
01-02-2012, 11:38 PM
Not one fan has rung up to defend th guy on TS tonight, the tide is deffo turning.
Kroenke will be shaking in his boots. Handy to have Wenger as a buffer, buys him all the time he needs.
Seriously, we're seeing the sad demise of Wenger's tenure. Everyone sees it apart from the man himself. He has doomed us to a youth project where far too much of the club's money is tied up in handing fat contracts to 'promising' players who don't have what it takes to suceed now, the best of whom leave before the project matures, and the rest of whom are either burnt out before their time or expensive deadwood. Its failing before our eyes and eroding the prestige of our club - yet there is no change, no fresh approach, not even really any hope that things will turn around. And now it looks nailed on that we'll finish outside the top four, the chances are that this process will simply accelerate after this Summer.
Yet our manager stands resolutely at the helm, never turning, never deviating, as we sail into the abyss. Bad times.
Letters
02-02-2012, 10:08 AM
The board are his bosses though, they're clearly happy enough with his policy of spending as little and raking in as much money as possible.
Till now we've kept our heads above water doing that, now we're sinking.
If they weren't complicit in it all they'd have sacked him years ago. Wenger is not blameless by any means but simply replacing him is not enough to halt the decline IMO.
Olivier's xmas twist
02-02-2012, 10:12 AM
The board are his bosses though, they're clearly happy enough with his policy of spending as little and raking in as much money as possible.
Till now we've kept our heads above water doing that, now we're sinking.
If they weren't complicit in it all they'd have sacked him years ago. Wenger is not blameless by any means but simply replacing him is not enough to halt the decline IMO.
:gp:
Ernesto
02-02-2012, 10:41 AM
I wonder who he should be replaced with. I'm actually tired of Wenger right now. The game-play, the predictability, the inability to be game-raisers and to learn from mistakes. There was a point, about 70 mins into yesterday's game, where I just hoped we'd end up with a point, because I was certain that we wouldn't take the lead if we hadn't already up until the 70th minute. A sad state of affairs for Arsenal and Gooners alike.
Back to my point, who should Wenger be replaced with?
Mourinho- in reality, WOULD he leave Real Madrid for Arsenal? Would Arsenal fans want him here? Would he need a war-chest; something that the Arsenal board clearly can't offer?
Guardiola- given the situation at Barcelona, and the seemingly inevitable surrender of the La Liga title to Madrid, would he want to leave Barcelona on a low? And, again, as for Mourinho, would he want to leave for Arsenal?
Remi Garde- relatively speaking, an unknown. However, there are some reports that he's one to be taken seriously as an up-and-coming manager. However, do we risk the club being put into the hands of an "unknown" at a time where they could stick-or-twist?
Benitez- one manager who, like Mourinho, I wouldn't want to see anywhere near the club, but has a good track record at Valencia and Liverpool. The one major, and most recent, blemish was at Internazionale, and that stays fresh in the memory.
Guus Hiddink- the one manager I would absolutely love to see at Arsenal. A rich-man's Martin O'Neill, if you will. Will have the ability to transform the team's ideology, and this "mental fragility" will be right out of the window. Wouldn't need much tinkering with personnel to do so, either. Unsure about his current contract situation, though (I believe he's a free agent?)
Andres Villas-Boas- not likely, again, but maybe worth a punt. It looks for all the world like he'll be out of a job come May, and he'll have a year's worth of experience managing prima donnas and unrealistic expectations from an egotistical chairman. Would fit right in at Arsenal! His wages are probably those that the board wouldn't be willing to pay, and there is a "sloppy seconds" issue (would Arsenal save face taking on a manager who has failed at Chelsea?)
George Graham/Tony Adams/Dennis Bergkamp- real maverick/wildcard choices, but may bring a bit of the ol' feel-good factor around the place? Inevitably, any new manager should create a little bit of excitement to begin with (like the novelty of a new toy!) but an old face might just present us with the longevity we need as fans (instead of being a one-season wonder) and may command patience from the board after any poor run of results.
Olivier's xmas twist
02-02-2012, 11:09 AM
I wonder who he should be replaced with. I'm actually tired of Wenger right now. The game-play, the predictability, the inability to be game-raisers and to learn from mistakes. There was a point, about 70 mins into yesterday's game, where I just hoped we'd end up with a point, because I was certain that we wouldn't take the lead if we hadn't already up until the 70th minute. A sad state of affairs for Arsenal and Gooners alike.
Back to my point, who should Wenger be replaced with?
Mourinho- in reality, WOULD he leave Real Madrid for Arsenal? Would Arsenal fans want him here? Would he need a war-chest; something that the Arsenal board clearly can't offer?
Guardiola- given the situation at Barcelona, and the seemingly inevitable surrender of the La Liga title to Madrid, would he want to leave Barcelona on a low? And, again, as for Mourinho, would he want to leave for Arsenal?
Remi Garde- relatively speaking, an unknown. However, there are some reports that he's one to be taken seriously as an up-and-coming manager. However, do we risk the club being put into the hands of an "unknown" at a time where they could stick-or-twist?
Benitez- one manager who, like Mourinho, I wouldn't want to see anywhere near the club, but has a good track record at Valencia and Liverpool. The one major, and most recent, blemish was at Internazionale, and that stays fresh in the memory.
Guus Hiddink- the one manager I would absolutely love to see at Arsenal. A rich-man's Martin O'Neill, if you will. Will have the ability to transform the team's ideology, and this "mental fragility" will be right out of the window. Wouldn't need much tinkering with personnel to do so, either. Unsure about his current contract situation, though (I believe he's a free agent?)
Andres Villas-Boas- not likely, again, but maybe worth a punt. It looks for all the world like he'll be out of a job come May, and he'll have a year's worth of experience managing prima donnas and unrealistic expectations from an egotistical chairman. Would fit right in at Arsenal! His wages are probably those that the board wouldn't be willing to pay, and there is a "sloppy seconds" issue (would Arsenal save face taking on a manager who has failed at Chelsea?)
George Graham/Tony Adams/Dennis Bergkamp- real maverick/wildcard choices, but may bring a bit of the ol' feel-good factor around the place? Inevitably, any new manager should create a little bit of excitement to begin with (like the novelty of a new toy!) but an old face might just present us with the longevity we need as fans (instead of being a one-season wonder) and may command patience from the board after any poor run of results.
Knowing out board we'll end up with Neil warnock or Brendan Rogers or Coyle.
Id like us to go for Moyes tbh, i think he'd be Perfect to replace AW, he knows the league inside out, done wonders with everton could do a fab job with us.
KSE Comedy Club
02-02-2012, 11:12 AM
The board are his bosses though, they're clearly happy enough with his policy of spending as little and raking in as much money as possible.
Till now we've kept our heads above water doing that, now we're sinking.
If they weren't complicit in it all they'd have sacked him years ago. Wenger is not blameless by any means but simply replacing him is not enough to halt the decline IMO.
Agreed.
Whilst replacing wenger isnt the entire answer, it is a start, and we do have to start somewhere.
KSE Comedy Club
02-02-2012, 11:24 AM
I wonder who he should be replaced with. I'm actually tired of Wenger right now. The game-play, the predictability, the inability to be game-raisers and to learn from mistakes. There was a point, about 70 mins into yesterday's game, where I just hoped we'd end up with a point, because I was certain that we wouldn't take the lead if we hadn't already up until the 70th minute. A sad state of affairs for Arsenal and Gooners alike.
Back to my point, who should Wenger be replaced with?
Mourinho- in reality, WOULD he leave Real Madrid for Arsenal? Would Arsenal fans want him here? Would he need a war-chest; something that the Arsenal board clearly can't offer?
Guardiola- given the situation at Barcelona, and the seemingly inevitable surrender of the La Liga title to Madrid, would he want to leave Barcelona on a low? And, again, as for Mourinho, would he want to leave for Arsenal?
Remi Garde- relatively speaking, an unknown. However, there are some reports that he's one to be taken seriously as an up-and-coming manager. However, do we risk the club being put into the hands of an "unknown" at a time where they could stick-or-twist?
Benitez- one manager who, like Mourinho, I wouldn't want to see anywhere near the club, but has a good track record at Valencia and Liverpool. The one major, and most recent, blemish was at Internazionale, and that stays fresh in the memory.
Guus Hiddink- the one manager I would absolutely love to see at Arsenal. A rich-man's Martin O'Neill, if you will. Will have the ability to transform the team's ideology, and this "mental fragility" will be right out of the window. Wouldn't need much tinkering with personnel to do so, either. Unsure about his current contract situation, though (I believe he's a free agent?)
Andres Villas-Boas- not likely, again, but maybe worth a punt. It looks for all the world like he'll be out of a job come May, and he'll have a year's worth of experience managing prima donnas and unrealistic expectations from an egotistical chairman. Would fit right in at Arsenal! His wages are probably those that the board wouldn't be willing to pay, and there is a "sloppy seconds" issue (would Arsenal save face taking on a manager who has failed at Chelsea?)
George Graham/Tony Adams/Dennis Bergkamp- real maverick/wildcard choices, but may bring a bit of the ol' feel-good factor around the place? Inevitably, any new manager should create a little bit of excitement to begin with (like the novelty of a new toy!) but an old face might just present us with the longevity we need as fans (instead of being a one-season wonder) and may command patience from the board after any poor run of results.
Only Jose, Gaurdiola and Hiddink should be the main choices.
Garde and Bergkamp as wildcards.
Benitez? Thats just laughable!
Olivier's xmas twist
02-02-2012, 11:26 AM
Only Jose, Gaurdiola and Hiddink should be the main choices.
Garde and Bergkamp as wildcards.
Benitez? Thats just laughable!
we won't get jose or pep and its laughable to think we ever will
gunnerrrrr
02-02-2012, 12:59 PM
we won't get jose or pep and its laughable to think we ever will
I am happy with an unproven quantity who shares the previous footballing values of Wenger, yet has the ability or desire to win trophies and spend funds.
It does not have to be a major name...Stojkovic for example...yet it is now apparent as the day is long that we desperatly need a change at the helm to replensih ideas, coaching, etc at this club.
We are now worse than stale, we are regressing, and it hurts me to see Wenger treated like he is by fans, myself included, but football is a fickle business and the facts speak for themselves.
McNamara That Ghost...
02-02-2012, 01:06 PM
Indeed, we took a chance on Wenger did we not? And it payed off (so to speak). That's not to say it will automatically be the case this time but if you don't ever chance it, what we have now will remain.
Niall_Quinn
02-02-2012, 01:39 PM
Andres Villas-Boas
Not a completely mad idea.
Moyes though, has he really worked wonders at Everton or is that just bias in favour of British managers in the media?
Power n Glory
02-02-2012, 01:51 PM
We've had a change at Board level but the results and actions on the pitch haven't changed. Wenger's arrival propelled us to new heights, not a change at Board level and it doesn't seem right to suggest the revere is required to change things around.
Listening to the Le Grove podcast, I understand that the Board took the same back-seat approach with Graham but fired him when he finished 5th and his stock was low with the fans. Could be the same again. Maybe he should have been sacked years ago is probably true, but this is the only season I can remember where so many people are in favour of Wenger going and two or three years ago, people were still willing to give him a job for life. Even now, there are still fans reluctant to say that he should go. If the Board had fired him earlier and we struggled in the league for a while with the new manager, people would have still blamed the board.
Expecting instant success after Wenger is something we're going to have to put into perspective. Our team needs work and the longer Wenger stays, the worse it will get. He's going to leave us with nothing at this rate and the next manager will inherit damaged goods.
We've had a change at Board level but the results and actions on the pitch haven't changed. Wenger's arrival propelled us to new heights, not a change at Board level and it doesn't seem right to suggest the revere is required to change things around.
Listening to the Le Grove podcast, I understand that the Board took the same back-seat approach with Graham but fired him when he finished 5th and his stock was low with the fans. Could be the same again. Maybe he should have been sacked years ago is probably true, but this is the only season I can remember where so many people are in favour of Wenger going and two or three years ago, people were still willing to give him a job for life. Even now, there are still fans reluctant to say that he should go. If the Board had fired him earlier and we struggled in the league for a while with the new manager, people would have still blamed the board.
Expecting instant success after Wenger is something we're going to have to put into perspective. Our team needs work and the longer Wenger stays, the worse it will get. He's going to leave us with nothing at this rate and the next manager will inherit damaged goods.
I wish you wouldn't listen to the podcast mate :lol:
Graham got sacked for taking bungs.
We have had a change at board level, but that has been facilitated by the scramble to cash in on shares, ally themselves to the most lucrative deal going, and position each of them in an un-obligated role as possible.
It is also a lockdown, and we won't know the true outcome at board level until Stan moves in properly.
Perhaps Wenger is custodian. We were all unsure, Wenger himself, as to whether he'd stay on two years back. Maybe he's doing what Stan wants him to do, and the board are towing his line too, until this massive change happens?
We don't know! And nor does fucking Alex Fynn!!!!!
what we all need, is some assurance....and this is Stans first mistake. He's taking us for punters at the moment, not fans. Until he show's his hand, we're stuck in a vicious circle. The quicker we know (as NQ suggested earlier), the better all round.
Power n Glory
02-02-2012, 02:27 PM
I wish you wouldn't listen to the podcast mate :lol:
Graham got sacked for taking bungs.
We have had a change at board level, but that has been facilitated by the scramble to cash in on shares, ally themselves to the most lucrative deal going, and position each of them in an un-obligated role as possible.
It is also a lockdown, and we won't know the true outcome at board level until Stan moves in properly.
Perhaps Wenger is custodian. We were all unsure, Wenger himself, as to whether he'd stay on two years back. Maybe he's doing what Stan wants him to do, and the board are towing his line too, until this massive change happens?
We don't know! And nor does fucking Alex Fynn!!!!!
what we all need, is some assurance....and this is Stans first mistake. He's taking us for punters at the moment, not fans. Until he show's his hand, we're stuck in a vicious circle. The quicker we know (as NQ suggested earlier), the better all round.
There is a real reluctance on here to accept that Wenger’s old methods aren’t working anymore and that’s why I’m always suspicious of this Board talk. Besides the Podcast, I’ve always heard that the Board leave managers to get on with the job and don’t interfere. That’s something Wenger himself has said and why he likes it here. The last proper run English club was the tagline a few seasons ago.
I’m aware of GG taking bungs, but it coincided with his lowest league position and although too young to remember, his stock was low with the fans. An older head could properly elaborate on that. The point it, Wenger has a legacy here and it’s very hard to let that go as seen with so many debates on here.
People suggesting that it will take a change at the top are ignoring the fact that it took a change of manager to get us here in the first place.
With Alex Fynn...I don’t think he has said anything new. When Dein left, Wenger admitted that he was handling parts of that role as well as the daily management stuff. We all know that he’s reluctant to change his back staff. It was a good listen. If it’s all fabrication it will come out eventually.
Olivier's xmas twist
02-02-2012, 02:30 PM
Not a completely mad idea.
Moyes though, has he really worked wonders at Everton or is that just bias in favour of British managers in the media?
With a tight budget yes, we never know what he could have done with top dolla behind him tbh
Niall_Quinn
02-02-2012, 02:33 PM
There is a real reluctance on here to accept that Wenger’s old methods aren’t working anymore and that’s why I’m always suspicious of this Board talk. Besides the Podcast, I’ve always heard that the Board leave managers to get on with the job and don’t interfere. That’s something Wenger himself has said and why he likes it here. The last proper run English club was the tagline a few seasons ago.
I’m aware of GG taking bungs, but it coincided with his lowest league position and although too young to remember, his stock was low with the fans. An older head could properly elaborate on that. The point it, Wenger has a legacy here and it’s very hard to let that go as seen with so many debates on here.
People suggesting that it will take a change at the top are ignoring the fact that it took a change of manager to get us here in the first place.
With Alex Fynn...I don’t think he has said anything new. When Dein left, Wenger admitted that he was handling parts of that role as well as the daily management stuff. We all know that he’s reluctant to change his back staff. It was a good listen. If it’s all fabrication it will come out eventually.
The reluctance is to allow those who are officially in control of the club (and who have profited massively when all else was going to shit) to avoid taking the responsibility that is inherent to their privileged positions. Should they just take all the money and walk, leaving Wenger to carry the entire blame? I don't see that as acceptable in any way, regardless of Wenger's own failing whic nobody denies. If we're going to have a clear out then let's ensure it's a proper one.
There is a real reluctance on here to accept that Wenger’s old methods aren’t working anymore and that’s why I’m always suspicious of this Board talk. Besides the Podcast, I’ve always heard that the Board leave managers to get on with the job and don’t interfere. That’s something Wenger himself has said and why he likes it here. The last proper run English club was the tagline a few seasons ago.
I’m aware of GG taking bungs, but it coincided with his lowest league position and although too young to remember, his stock was low with the fans. An older head could properly elaborate on that. The point it, Wenger has a legacy here and it’s very hard to let that go as seen with so many debates on here.
People suggesting that it will take a change at the top are ignoring the fact that it took a change of manager to get us here in the first place.
With Alex Fynn...I don’t think he has said anything new. When Dein left, Wenger admitted that he was handling parts of that role as well as the daily management stuff. We all know that he’s reluctant to change his back staff. It was a good listen. If it’s all fabrication it will come out eventually.
I don't think there is a reluctance to accept it at all. We all know it's fucked. We all know he's made mistakes, and I don't hink there is one person on this MB that thinks otherwise.
Some are more sentimental, yes, and rightly so. He's provided us with football and trophies some clubs can only ever dream of.
Nobody is denying that something needs to happen either. But when you're talking about a 500 million + business, you can be sure as shit there's more to it than Wenger fucking up on the pitch.
We don't know the full story, and yet people still want to rush into rash changes, because that's what we do as football fans.
I don't want to continually see the shite that has befallen this great club; I live and breath every moment of a match, sing my fucking lungs out and shake and shiver with nerves when kick off comes.
But I don't want to just dismiss Wenger, employ David Fucking Moyes, and see us blunder into an oblivion that is even harder to get out of than the current trough.
I want us to put football first for a change, and to me, that require the owners to kick that process off. Not make a rash change for changes sake, and then have a revamp again when it all goes bust.
Grebbo
02-02-2012, 02:49 PM
With a tight budget yes, we never know what he could have done with top dolla behind him tbh
You can say the same about Wenger! We don't have top dollar - that's the problem.
When we sign a player from Everton, and they have to take a pay cut to join us, you know we're fucked.
Power n Glory
02-02-2012, 02:57 PM
The reluctance is to allow those who are officially in control of the club (and who have profited massively when all else was going to shit) to avoid taking the responsibility that is inherent to their privileged positions. Should they just take all the money and walk, leaving Wenger to carry the entire blame? I don't see that as acceptable in any way, regardless of Wenger's own failing whic nobody denies. If we're going to have a clear out then let's ensure it's a proper one.
You really should stop paying for games in that case. In fact, I wouldn’t go to games full stop if I felt like that. Most owners have shady motives. Also, you’d have no problem paying the current price if we were winning titles but still had this youth policy, designed to maximise profit. The resentment and anger is a result of what’s happening on the pitch. If we were winning, it wouldn’t be an issue.
You're forgetting that football is a drug.
And that's what the bastards in charge know all too well.
(I'm not going to buy a pie this week though)
Niall_Quinn
02-02-2012, 03:06 PM
You really should stop paying for games in that case. In fact, I wouldn’t go to games full stop if I felt like that. Most owners have shady motives. Also, you’d have no problem paying the current price if we were winning titles but still had this youth policy, designed to maximise profit. The resentment and anger is a result of what’s happening on the pitch. If we were winning, it wouldn’t be an issue.
Strange argument. We're talking about the reasons why we aren't winning. Sure, if this policy of underinvestment had led to great success people would back it and the board would have earned their bumper pay day. But that's not what has happened. Unsurprisingly the lack of investment has led to failure. I just want to know why a few have done so well from this failure while the majority suffer the consequences. I also don't think it is necessary to stop supporting the club before it's permissible to voice anger over how the club is being run.
Xhaka Can’t
02-02-2012, 05:31 PM
You really should stop paying for games in that case. In fact, I wouldn’t go to games full stop if I felt like that. Most owners have shady motives. Also, you’d have no problem paying the current price if we were winning titles but still had this youth policy, designed to maximise profit. The resentment and anger is a result of what’s happening on the pitch. If we were winning, it wouldn’t be an issue.
I think you have made a very poor point there. The strategy followed is less likely to yield winning results and many, including players such as Vieira bemoaned the strategy and lack of investment while we were still winning.
Power n Glory
02-02-2012, 07:37 PM
I think you have made a very poor point there. The strategy followed is less likely to yield winning results and many, including players such as Vieira bemoaned the strategy and lack of investment while we were still winning. Not investing at all will do that or investing money in the wrong places will do that. This isn't directed at everyone but NQ and from discussions in the past, I get the impression he has a problem with owners making money off football in general. With such strong views, I can't see the sense in going to games. This club has been making a profit in the transfer window for a very long time and the Board have always left Wenger to get on with it. I just think we're a club run by old guys that understand very little about how to attain success on the pitch so they leave Wenger to it and support him. This is how we got here. They trust Wenger, like we all have in the past. I don't want a board that starts to interfere with what happens on the field by dictating to the manager. That would be a worry. The manager should have the vision IMO. Wenger gets the credit for the move to the Emirates, youth set up and even the smooth pitch surface we play on. Regards to lack of investment, I blame Wenger for spending the money foolishly. He chooses to search for so called players of the future and gambles on them. Our wage bill reflects that. We have millions to spend on player contracts for dozens of kids and not enough left in the pot for a world class talent. It's bad management but we all agree with that. I think. But in regards to the Board cashing in...I don't really care for that stuff. They took a huge gamble on massive projects and nobody really recognises that. They're old with Wenger harping on about financial prudence and the reckless behaviour in football, maybe they think it's time to sell up. If we want them gone then so be it. They should probably step on Wenger's neck for the results, but again, I think we're a club that leaves a lot to the manager. The one thing I ask is that they have a plan for when Wenger is gone. We must be left in good hands.
Olivier's xmas twist
02-02-2012, 07:54 PM
You can say the same about Wenger! We don't have top dollar - that's the problem.
When we sign a player from Everton, and they have to take a pay cut to join us, you know we're fucked.
Well you have to give him credit not doubt, he has done wonders for us on a budget, but everton have less of a budget then us, spent less then us in the last few years, they would have been up there and abouts with investment.
Olivier's xmas twist
02-02-2012, 08:00 PM
I don't think there is a reluctance to accept it at all. We all know it's fucked. We all know he's made mistakes, and I don't hink there is one person on this MB that thinks otherwise.
Some are more sentimental, yes, and rightly so. He's provided us with football and trophies some clubs can only ever dream of.
Nobody is denying that something needs to happen either. But when you're talking about a 500 million + business, you can be sure as shit there's more to it than Wenger fucking up on the pitch.
We don't know the full story, and yet people still want to rush into rash changes, because that's what we do as football fans.
I don't want to continually see the shite that has befallen this great club; I live and breath every moment of a match, sing my fucking lungs out and shake and shiver with nerves when kick off comes.
But I don't want to just dismiss Wenger, employ David Fucking Moyes, and see us blunder into an oblivion that is even harder to get out of than the current trough.
I want us to put football first for a change, and to me, that require the owners to kick that process off. Not make a rash change for changes sake, and then have a revamp again when it all goes bust.
This we have a board who run the club like its fucking Harrods not Arsenal fc. Thats the model they are trying to sustain, Lets treat the fans as customers not fans anymore. They don't care about the fans or winning cups not like 10-20 years ago, as long as the profits come in its success.
Would jaffa have done better then Stan the man, no way to no for sure but at least you had a feeling he be a bit more ambitious and a risk taker, unlike the guy we have now.
Alot of Yanks only care about making money and were seeing eveidence of that now.
Niall_Quinn
02-02-2012, 08:37 PM
This isn't directed at everyone but NQ and from discussions in the past, I get the impression he has a problem with owners making money off football in general.
Come off it PnG, Ihave a problem with owners coming in to the game to bleed the clubs. Of course they have to make money or they wouldn't be here. But where's the give to go along with the take? Typically profit is income less expenses. When it's just income I call that gouging. And as for their risk, no wonder people don't appreciate it. What were they risking? A £300mill pay out instead of £500mill? How much did they invest in the first place? But it's weird, isn't it? These tired old clueless men who know so little they have to leave everything to Wenger. They knew enough to be able to maximise their return come what may and at any cost to the club. A shit team, shit sponsorship deals, the highest ticket prices going. My heart bleeds.
fakeyank
02-02-2012, 08:47 PM
This we have a board who run the club like its fucking Harrods not Arsenal fc. Thats the model they are trying to sustain, Lets treat the fans as customers not fans anymore. They don't care about the fans or winning cups not like 10-20 years ago, as long as the profits come in its success.
Would jaffa have done better then Stan the man, no way to no for sure but at least you had a feeling he be a bit more ambitious and a risk taker, unlike the guy we have now.
Yanks only care about making money and were seeing eveidence of that now.
Dont hate on all yanks! Some of the dumb ones actually even care about family, loyalty and giving to the poor... dumb asses! :rolleyes:
Olivier's xmas twist
02-02-2012, 09:13 PM
Dont hate on all yanks! Some of the dumb ones actually even care about family, loyalty and giving to the poor... dumb asses! :rolleyes:
Changed it.
Power n Glory
02-02-2012, 09:54 PM
Come off it PnG, Ihave a problem with owners coming in to the game to bleed the clubs. Of course they have to make money or they wouldn't be here. But where's the give to go along with the take? Typically profit is income less expenses. When it's just income I call that gouging. And as for their risk, no wonder people don't appreciate it. What were they risking? A £300mill pay out instead of £500mill? How much did they invest in the first place? But it's weird, isn't it? These tired old clueless men who know so little they have to leave everything to Wenger. They knew enough to be able to maximise their return come what may and at any cost to the club. A shit team, shit sponsorship deals, the highest ticket prices going. My heart bleeds.
They're not bleeding the club. This is Wenger's vision. Why do you think he wanted to build the youth academy? This has always been his plan. He doesn't want to spend.
Arsène Wenger will be satisfied if Arsenal's next 16 years are as productive as their last 16.
The Arsenal manager has enjoyed plenty of success since he arrived at the Club in 1996, overseeing two league and cup doubles, seven major trophies in total and an unbeaten title campaign.
Times are tougher right now with the Gunners hunting a first Premier League win in five matches and facing, in Wenger's words, "a big fight" to secure Champions League football next season.
At his pre-match press conference the Frenchman was reminded that Arsenal have never been as low as seventh at this stage of the season while he’s been in charge.
"The fact that we have never been in this position is rather a credit to me in 16 years so I do not take that as blame," he responded.
"I take that as fantastic consistency, and that is the most difficult thing at the top level.
"I believe we played 15 years on the trot in the Champions League and we play in 10 days in the last 16 of the Champions League. We want to come back in the Champions League position in the league, we want to prepare properly for the next round of the FA Cup and I wish that in the next 16 years it will be exactly the same for the club and that the fans will be happy.
"I am here to make all of the fans happy and when I do not manage to do it I am, of course, not happy. But what is most important is that we have our fans happy at the end of the season.
"We lost three games and then the confidence drops a little bit," added Wenger. "But overall we have shown a great response against Aston Villa where we came back with a fantastic 3-2 win and I feel that on Wednesday night we deserved to win the game.
"Overall I feel this team is strong mentally with a good spirit and attitude. We are ready for a fight and that is the most important thing."
:ninja:
Niall_Quinn
03-02-2012, 12:57 PM
:ninja:
That was a partly political broadcast brought to you by the Pravda Party.
Tipsychubbs
03-02-2012, 02:38 PM
Wenger gets the credit for the move to the Emirates, youth set up and even the smooth pitch surface we play on. Regards to lack of investment, I blame Wenger for spending the money foolishly. He chooses to search for so called players of the future and gambles on them. Our wage bill reflects that. We have millions to spend on player contracts for dozens of kids and not enough left in the pot for a world class talent. It's bad management but we all agree with that. I think.
I'm not fully into the board talk either. They have their share of the blame of course, they are happy with what wenger is doing and they don't seem to be interested in what's going on pitch wise but purely in the financial, but who is it that keeps paying exorbitant high salaries to young players who haven't achieved anything yet, or squad players that are clearly not good enough? Salaries so high that we can't even shift these players when we want to offload them, we have to loan them out instead, Vela, Bendtner, Denilson etc.
We have the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the league, that does not show a lack of money, that is Wenger's policy!
He wanted to nurture and develop youth to facilitate the stadium move, paying relatively high salaries (for their wage and status) to young players to keep them here, from being snatched off and tempted elsewhere. He's gone too far with it and it shows. You were right when you said so much money on many young player contracts but not much left for some world class talents.
While we're not Man City, we're also not Everton either, there is surely money that can be spent judiciously, otherwise those salaries would be much lower. Wenger is utilizing the resources this way and choosing not to invest in more quality, the players who are actually worth the high wages. I'm not talking big splurges and team overhauls. 2-3 top quality players here and there now and again would boost the team. And I mean top quality, not project players or wildcards. He goes on about 'super super quality', but doesn't back it up.
For example, a top quality player like Mata (versatile left wing forward/attacking midfielder/support striker) was available in the summer and wanted to come to England, would have been a perfect Nasri/Cesc replacement, we were apparently interested, then let him go to Chelsea and get Benayoun on loan instead! Decent experienced squad player, but come on, for the Cesc and Nasri money is thats just silly. If we were waiting for the Cesc/Nasri situations to play out before wanting to sign, then that is poor management when it was obvious they would we going. If wages were an issue, then how much could we have free'd up for him instead of making a practice of paying the high wages to the players who were not worth it, comign back to bite us. That is poor utilization of resources, not a lack of resources.
The last super quality signing we had was Arshavin, and we had the money to bring him in, and managed to pay his wages too (apparently one of the highest at the club). But at the time he was a player that was worth it, and his boost helped us get 4th. [Its personally gone wrong in his case, playing out of his best position, maybe a lack of desire, but that's another issue]
With the 55 odd million from Cesc and Nasri, even with CL revenue, high ticket prices etc. most of the money has disappeared. Ok so we panic bought in the last hours of the window, but not 'super super quality'. This has been happening for a while, remember selling Adebayor for 25 million, Toure as well, and we thought we had money in the bank to spend? Most of it disappeared. We didn't use it to buy top quality replacements, but instead of players that are of the quality to hit the ground running, more project players that would probably need a season before getting into their stride, as well as the numerous young player contracts of course.
This is Wenger's doing, he is the economist here, he loves being frugal, and agrees with the board. Remember what he said at the end of this latest transfer window? 'Lots of clubs are being cautious, there is very little movement, see I was right, you need to be wary of economics and financial fair play'. It seems that Fabregas and Nasri money doesn't need to be spent on high level replacements, but into the bank to please the board. He loves it, and wants to do things his way, lets not kid ourselves that the board are putting “extreme” restrictions on him.
selassie
03-02-2012, 03:12 PM
I'm not fully into the board talk either. They have their share of the blame of course, they are happy with what wenger is doing and they don't seem to be interested in what's going on pitch wise but purely in the financial, but who is it that keeps paying exorbitant high salaries to young players who haven't achieved anything yet, or squad players that are clearly not good enough? Salaries so high that we can't even shift these players when we want to offload them, we have to loan them out instead, Vela, Bendtner, Denilson etc.
We have the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the league, that does not show a lack of money, that is Wenger's policy!
He wanted to nurture and develop youth to facilitate the stadium move, paying relatively high salaries (for their wage and status) to young players to keep them here, from being snatched off and tempted elsewhere. He's gone too far with it and it shows. You were right when you said so much money on many young player contracts but not much left for some world class talents.
While we're not Man City, we're also not Everton either, there is surely money that can be spent judiciously, otherwise those salaries would be much lower. Wenger is utilizing the resources this way and choosing not to invest in more quality, the players who are actually worth the high wages. I'm not talking big splurges and team overhauls. 2-3 top quality players here and there now and again would boost the team. And I mean top quality, not project players or wildcards. He goes on about 'super super quality', but doesn't back it up.
For example, a top quality player like Mata (versatile left wing forward/attacking midfielder/support striker) was available in the summer and wanted to come to England, would have been a perfect Nasri/Cesc replacement, we were apparently interested, then let him go to Chelsea and get Benayoun on loan instead! Decent experienced squad player, but come on, for the Cesc and Nasri money is thats just silly. If we were waiting for the Cesc/Nasri situations to play out before wanting to sign, then that is poor management when it was obvious they would we going. If wages were an issue, then how much could we have free'd up for him instead of making a practice of paying the high wages to the players who were not worth it, comign back to bite us. That is poor utilization of resources, not a lack of resources.
The last super quality signing we had was Arshavin, and we had the money to bring him in, and managed to pay his wages too (apparently one of the highest at the club). But at the time he was a player that was worth it, and his boost helped us get 4th. [Its personally gone wrong in his case, playing out of his best position, maybe a lack of desire, but that's another issue]
With the 55 odd million from Cesc and Nasri, even with CL revenue, high ticket prices etc. most of the money has disappeared. Ok so we panic bought in the last hours of the window, but not 'super super quality'. This has been happening for a while, remember selling Adebayor for 25 million, Toure as well, and we thought we had money in the bank to spend? Most of it disappeared. We didn't use it to buy top quality replacements, but instead of players that are of the quality to hit the ground running, more project players that would probably need a season before getting into their stride, as well as the numerous young player contracts of course.
This is Wenger's doing, he is the economist here, he loves being frugal, and agrees with the board. Remember what he said at the end of this latest transfer window? 'Lots of clubs are being cautious, there is very little movement, see I was right, you need to be wary of economics and financial fair play'. It seems that Fabregas and Nasri money doesn't need to be spent on high level replacements, but into the bank to please the board. He loves it, and wants to do things his way, lets not kid ourselves that the board are putting “extreme” restrictions on him.
Top post. :gp:
I'm not fully into the board talk either. They have their share of the blame of course, they are happy with what wenger is doing and they don't seem to be interested in what's going on pitch wise but purely in the financial, but who is it that keeps paying exorbitant high salaries to young players who haven't achieved anything yet, or squad players that are clearly not good enough? Salaries so high that we can't even shift these players when we want to offload them, we have to loan them out instead, Vela, Bendtner, Denilson etc.
We have the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the league, that does not show a lack of money, that is Wenger's policy!
He wanted to nurture and develop youth to facilitate the stadium move, paying relatively high salaries (for their wage and status) to young players to keep them here, from being snatched off and tempted elsewhere. He's gone too far with it and it shows. You were right when you said so much money on many young player contracts but not much left for some world class talents.
While we're not Man City, we're also not Everton either, there is surely money that can be spent judiciously, otherwise those salaries would be much lower. Wenger is utilizing the resources this way and choosing not to invest in more quality, the players who are actually worth the high wages. I'm not talking big splurges and team overhauls. 2-3 top quality players here and there now and again would boost the team. And I mean top quality, not project players or wildcards. He goes on about 'super super quality', but doesn't back it up.
For example, a top quality player like Mata (versatile left wing forward/attacking midfielder/support striker) was available in the summer and wanted to come to England, would have been a perfect Nasri/Cesc replacement, we were apparently interested, then let him go to Chelsea and get Benayoun on loan instead! Decent experienced squad player, but come on, for the Cesc and Nasri money is thats just silly. If we were waiting for the Cesc/Nasri situations to play out before wanting to sign, then that is poor management when it was obvious they would we going. If wages were an issue, then how much could we have free'd up for him instead of making a practice of paying the high wages to the players who were not worth it, comign back to bite us. That is poor utilization of resources, not a lack of resources.
The last super quality signing we had was Arshavin, and we had the money to bring him in, and managed to pay his wages too (apparently one of the highest at the club). But at the time he was a player that was worth it, and his boost helped us get 4th. [Its personally gone wrong in his case, playing out of his best position, maybe a lack of desire, but that's another issue]
With the 55 odd million from Cesc and Nasri, even with CL revenue, high ticket prices etc. most of the money has disappeared. Ok so we panic bought in the last hours of the window, but not 'super super quality'. This has been happening for a while, remember selling Adebayor for 25 million, Toure as well, and we thought we had money in the bank to spend? Most of it disappeared. We didn't use it to buy top quality replacements, but instead of players that are of the quality to hit the ground running, more project players that would probably need a season before getting into their stride, as well as the numerous young player contracts of course.
This is Wenger's doing, he is the economist here, he loves being frugal, and agrees with the board. Remember what he said at the end of this latest transfer window? 'Lots of clubs are being cautious, there is very little movement, see I was right, you need to be wary of economics and financial fair play'. It seems that Fabregas and Nasri money doesn't need to be spent on high level replacements, but into the bank to please the board. He loves it, and wants to do things his way, lets not kid ourselves that the board are putting “extreme” restrictions on him.
Let's be fair here. I don't think there are many people on here defending Wenger as some angelic being in all of this. We all know he's cocking around, perhaps as a willing puppet of the board, or perhaps it's his ideal too.
What people are saying, is that the ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY LIES WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
They're happy with Wenger. They won't sack him. He's making them money.
Will Wenger (would anyone) leave a job where he's getting paid hansomly? Where he can do things his way? Of course not. Let's not forget, if he walks of his own accord, he doesn't get a pay off either.
And do you believe his quotes for one second? I mean, he may say one thing, but we have no idea whether he means it or not. The quote you posted stinks like fanny. It's fucking question time, and Arsene is towing the party line.
What I'm asking for (dunno about anyone else), is for someone on the board to start taking responsibility for the football side of things...and that means, either:
i) Sacking Wenger and providing ample resources to his successor
ii) Keeping Wenger, but telling him what the objective is....none of this fourth place crap. "Build me an army worthy of Arsenal!" type thing.
Problem with i) is that we have to appoint the right man
Problem with ii) is, would he listen? But if he doesn't get his own way, he'll bugger off anyway....
Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, the responsibilty for putting this club on the right track again, lies heavily on the boards shoulders...because if they want success in the pitch (and not just 4th place, and actually challenging like we've been promised) then they have to put that as the managers objective, and failure or stubborness, or contempt should be met with dismissal.
That is the way to tell whether Wenger is the mug he is looking like at the moment.
Power n Glory
03-02-2012, 07:00 PM
I'm not fully into the board talk either. They have their share of the blame of course, they are happy with what wenger is doing and they don't seem to be interested in what's going on pitch wise but purely in the financial, but who is it that keeps paying exorbitant high salaries to young players who haven't achieved anything yet, or squad players that are clearly not good enough? Salaries so high that we can't even shift these players when we want to offload them, we have to loan them out instead, Vela, Bendtner, Denilson etc.
We have the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the league, that does not show a lack of money, that is Wenger's policy!
He wanted to nurture and develop youth to facilitate the stadium move, paying relatively high salaries (for their wage and status) to young players to keep them here, from being snatched off and tempted elsewhere. He's gone too far with it and it shows. You were right when you said so much money on many young player contracts but not much left for some world class talents.
While we're not Man City, we're also not Everton either, there is surely money that can be spent judiciously, otherwise those salaries would be much lower. Wenger is utilizing the resources this way and choosing not to invest in more quality, the players who are actually worth the high wages. I'm not talking big splurges and team overhauls. 2-3 top quality players here and there now and again would boost the team. And I mean top quality, not project players or wildcards. He goes on about 'super super quality', but doesn't back it up.
For example, a top quality player like Mata (versatile left wing forward/attacking midfielder/support striker) was available in the summer and wanted to come to England, would have been a perfect Nasri/Cesc replacement, we were apparently interested, then let him go to Chelsea and get Benayoun on loan instead! Decent experienced squad player, but come on, for the Cesc and Nasri money is thats just silly. If we were waiting for the Cesc/Nasri situations to play out before wanting to sign, then that is poor management when it was obvious they would we going. If wages were an issue, then how much could we have free'd up for him instead of making a practice of paying the high wages to the players who were not worth it, comign back to bite us. That is poor utilization of resources, not a lack of resources.
The last super quality signing we had was Arshavin, and we had the money to bring him in, and managed to pay his wages too (apparently one of the highest at the club). But at the time he was a player that was worth it, and his boost helped us get 4th. [Its personally gone wrong in his case, playing out of his best position, maybe a lack of desire, but that's another issue]
With the 55 odd million from Cesc and Nasri, even with CL revenue, high ticket prices etc. most of the money has disappeared. Ok so we panic bought in the last hours of the window, but not 'super super quality'. This has been happening for a while, remember selling Adebayor for 25 million, Toure as well, and we thought we had money in the bank to spend? Most of it disappeared. We didn't use it to buy top quality replacements, but instead of players that are of the quality to hit the ground running, more project players that would probably need a season before getting into their stride, as well as the numerous young player contracts of course.
This is Wenger's doing, he is the economist here, he loves being frugal, and agrees with the board. Remember what he said at the end of this latest transfer window? 'Lots of clubs are being cautious, there is very little movement, see I was right, you need to be wary of economics and financial fair play'. It seems that Fabregas and Nasri money doesn't need to be spent on high level replacements, but into the bank to please the board. He loves it, and wants to do things his way, lets not kid ourselves that the board are putting “extreme” restrictions on him.
Very good post. :gp:
Power n Glory
03-02-2012, 09:49 PM
Let's be fair here. I don't think there are many people on here defending Wenger as some angelic being in all of this. We all know he's cocking around, perhaps as a willing puppet of the board, or perhaps it's his ideal too.What people are saying, is that the ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY LIES WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.They're happy with Wenger. They won't sack him. He's making them money.Will Wenger (would anyone) leave a job where he's getting paid hansomly? Where he can do things his way? Of course not. Let's not forget, if he walks of his own accord, he doesn't get a pay off either.And do you believe his quotes for one second? I mean, he may say one thing, but we have no idea whether he means it or not. The quote you posted stinks like fanny. It's fucking question time, and Arsene is towing the party line.What I'm asking for (dunno about anyone else), is for someone on the board to start taking responsibility for the football side of things...and that means, either:i) Sacking Wenger and providing ample resources to his successorii) Keeping Wenger, but telling him what the objective is....none of this fourth place crap. "Build me an army worthy of Arsenal!" type thing.Problem with i) is that we have to appoint the right manProblem with ii) is, would he listen? But if he doesn't get his own way, he'll bugger off anyway....Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, the responsibilty for putting this club on the right track again, lies heavily on the boards shoulders...because if they want success in the pitch (and not just 4th place, and actually challenging like we've been promised) then they have to put that as the managers objective, and failure or stubborness, or contempt should be met with dismissal.That is the way to tell whether Wenger is the mug he is looking like at the moment.
We were talking specifically about a lack of investment in the squad and I think Tipsy's post addresses that. Ultimate responsibility wasn't part of the conversation and I think everyone has said the Board have played their part in our demise. That's not what this is about. I just don't agree with this idea that the Board have set Wenger up to operate on a shoestring budget. Has actions, words and the numbers suggest otherwise. I we'd have stayed at Highbury, we'd never be able to afford this. The wage bill has gone up and keeps going up because he's overindulged in this youth project. He's using his resources badly which is why disagree strongly with people that suggest the Board have placed limits in him.
I also think there is a double standard with quotes as well. You don't trust Wenger's words and think he's covering even though his actions, words and the numbers are all in line with his beliefs which suggests he wants to make this youth policy work.
Actions - He buys unknown young players and never spends over £15m on a player. That has been since Highbury even though we make a profit in transfer windows and income has risen. He has no problem spending big on young players like Walnut, Ox and Rambo...but passes up the opportunity to buy someone like Sessegnon, players with experience that won't cost crazy money. He pushed for the youth academy and thought it was important for the clubs future, he persists with the same players game after game even when playing badly. His actions from past to present shows that he firmly believes in what he's doing and he continues to pass up transfer opportunities because he doesn't want to 'kill' certain players.
Words - Speaking of killing players, how many times has he come out to defend our policy and criticise teams that spend big? He seems totally against the City and talks as if it's morally wrong and i can't imagine that to be some sort of smokescreen. How can you dismiss that sort of talk and say you don't know why to believe? Wenger can talk shit sometimes but he's pretty consistent with this and his words math up with his actions. If he says he believes in this squad and he proves it with his actions. I don't think he's covering for anyone. He admires the Ajax system, lives working with young players and decided to take a coaching job in Japan of all places. He's a humble guy in that respect.
Numbers - our contract situation. If the money wasn't there, we wouldn't be able to afford the players we currently have. We spend millions on rubbish and that's just bad management. Again, we gamble big on young prospects but hardly spend on little known experienced players these days. I remember Wenger talking about knowing about Ronaldo and Ronaldinho when they were kids but he couldn't sign them. He must think we have potential world beaters on our hands which is why he persists with them and throws money at them.
As for the Board, I think it's beyond them to come up with such a long term plan. They don't have the forsight and if so we'd have been a feeder club years before Wenger. They don't have enough knowledge about the game to think amble on youth like this. We need someone up their that knows about football to really push Wenger and keep him on his toes but that sounds more like a Director of Football role and I doubt that would sit well with Wenger. You here him when the fans booed the sub and his arrogant comment. For a director to question his supreme judgement....pff...the audacity! It would cause a problem and that's why he's comfortable here. I blame the Board for that and I hope they are starting to probe with uncomfortable questions because they should be able to spot the same patterns and excuses as we all have over the years.
Please excuse any errors - this was down my iPhone the key pad is a real bitch. Fixed now.
Xhaka Can’t
03-02-2012, 11:00 PM
Man, no-one is going to read that.
You need to stick some paragraphs in there.
We all know the reasons why he should go. They are, and have been evident for a while now.
Is he really a club man or here for the 6 million a year he gets?.
Xhaka Can’t
04-02-2012, 12:52 PM
I am certain he is here for the love of the Club. But he and the Club need a change. Now.
Tipsychubbs
04-02-2012, 03:46 PM
We were talking specifically about a lack of investment in the squad and I think Tipsy's post addresses that. Ultimate responsibility wasn't part of the conversation and I think everyone has said the Board have played their part in our demise. That's not what this is about. I just don't agree with this idea that the Board have set Wenger up to operate on a shoestring budget. Has actions, words and the numbers suggest otherwise. I we'd have stayed at Highbury, we'd never be able to afford this. The wage bill has gone up and keeps going up because he's overindulged in this youth project. He's using his resources badly which is why disagree strongly with people that suggest the Board have placed limits in him.
I also think there is a double standard with quotes as well. You don't trust Wenger's words and think he's covering even though his actions, words and the numbers are all in line with his beliefs which suggests he wants to make this youth policy work.
Actions - He buys unknown young players and never spends over £15m on a player. That has been since Highbury even though we make a profit in transfer windows and income has risen. He has no problem spending big on young players like Walnut, Ox and Rambo...but passes up the opportunity to buy someone like Sessegnon, players with experience that won't cost crazy money. He pushed for the youth academy and thought it was important for the clubs future, he persists with the same players game after game even when playing badly. His actions from past to present shows that he firmly believes in what he's doing and he continues to pass up transfer opportunities because he doesn't want to 'kill' certain players.
Words - Speaking of killing players, how many times has he come out to defend our policy and criticise teams that spend big? He seems totally against the City and talks as if it's morally wrong and i can't imagine that to be some sort of smokescreen. How can you dismiss that sort of talk and say you don't know why to believe? Wenger can talk shit sometimes but he's pretty consistent with this and his words math up with his actions. If he says he believes in this squad and he proves it with his actions. I don't think he's covering for anyone. He admires the Ajax system, lives working with young players and decided to take a coaching job in Japan of all places. He's a humble guy in that respect.
Numbers - our contract situation. If the money wasn't there, we wouldn't be able to afford the players we currently have. We spend millions on rubbish and that's just bad management. Again, we gamble big on young prospects but hardly spend on little known experienced players these days. I remember Wenger talking about knowing about Ronaldo and Ronaldinho when they were kids but he couldn't sign them. He must think we have potential world beaters on our hands which is why he persists with them and throws money at them.
As for the Board, I think it's beyond them to come up with such a long term plan. They don't have the forsight and if so we'd have been a feeder club years before Wenger. They don't have enough knowledge about the game to think amble on youth like this. We need someone up their that knows about football to really push Wenger and keep him on his toes but that sounds more like a Director of Football role and I doubt that would sit well with Wenger. You here him when the fans booed the sub and his arrogant comment. For a director to question his supreme judgement....pff...the audacity! It would cause a problem and that's why he's comfortable here. I blame the Board for that and I hope they are starting to probe with uncomfortable questions because they should be able to spot the same patterns and excuses as we all have over the years.
Please excuse any errors - this was down my iPhone the key pad is a real bitch. Fixed now.
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Olivier's xmas twist
04-02-2012, 05:26 PM
I am certain he is here for the love of the Club. But he and the Club need a change. Now.
Did not need 5 paragraphs to show this is the pest post on this page.
Cripps_orig
05-02-2012, 07:20 PM
France Football Federation (FFF) president Noel La Graet has reportedly decided to part company with coach Laurent Blanc after Euro 2012 and identified Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger as the man to take over.
Blanc's contract expires after the tournament and the former Bordeaux boss has stated that he would like his future sorted out before the summer.
However, according to Le JDD, La Graet has already decided against offering the current coach a new deal and has lined the Gunners veteran up as his successor.
The publication claims that La Graet has become concerned by Blanc's independence as well as the size and cost of the coach's backroom team.
La Graet had previously claimed that Blanc's future was dependent upon how France fared in Euro 2012.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/02/05/2887548/france-want-arsenals-arsene-wenger-to-take-over-from-laurent
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No smoke without fire, end game.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/02/05/2887548/france-want-arsenals-arsene-wenger-to-take-over-from-laurent
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Olivier's xmas twist
05-02-2012, 09:13 PM
:pray: :pray:
Well he always said he wanted to manage france, this could be the perfect time for him tbh
1 they have a young team
2 won't have to spend
Well he always said he wanted to manage france, this could be the perfect time for him tbh
1 they have a young team
2 won't have to spend
True and he'll be able to pick French nobodies at will as well, down side is they'll have a sh*t defence a team full of midfielders and no end product as well as a manager who won't give a sh*t about fans opinions.....but hey it's not the end of the world I guess.
Would be unfortunate for me as I'm half French, the pr*ck seems to be following me everywhere :lol:
Xhaka Can’t
05-02-2012, 09:52 PM
Half French/halfwit? ;)
Olivier's xmas twist
05-02-2012, 09:53 PM
True and he'll be able to pick French nobodies at will as well, down side is they'll have a sh*t defence a team full of midfielders and no end product as well as a manager who won't give a sh*t about fans opinions.....but hey it's not the end of the world I guess.
Would be unfortunate for me as I'm half French, the pr*ck seems to be following me everywhere :lol:
Oh dear, just can't escape him lol.
Tipsychubbs
05-02-2012, 10:28 PM
PERFECT JOB FOR HIM :good:
He's not cut out for the ruthlessness of top club level football anymore with his overly economical, frugal nature; French job would allow him to simply get on with scouting young talent and coaching playing styles, part-time. Needs to happen sooner rather than later.
Power n Glory
05-02-2012, 10:41 PM
I don't think he's right for International football. His stubbornness and rigid approach to tactics won't work for tournements. He's not very good at turning things around when the teams under pressure and a couple of bad results at International level usually results in early exits.
Cripps_orig
05-02-2012, 10:42 PM
I don't think he's right for International football. His stubbornness and rigid approach to tactics won't work for tournements. He's not very good at turning things around when the teams under pressure and a couple of bad results at International level usually results in early exits.This
But most importantly, as long as hes out of here then who cares?
Xhaka Can’t
05-02-2012, 10:49 PM
This
But most importantly, as long as I'm out of here then who cares?
I think that all the time.
Cripps_orig
05-02-2012, 10:49 PM
I think that all the time.Oh
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