Wilshere out for the season.

[AKBapologist]

I altered the thread title typo.


Disaster for Arsenal as crocked Wilshere out for entire season
By SAMI MOKBEL
Last updated at 1:04 AM on 1st February 2012

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Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere looks almost certain to miss the rest of the season after scans showed his latest injury setback is worse than first feared.

The 20-year-old is now very doubtful for England’s Euro 2012 campaign as he is unlikely to feature at all for his club this season.

Wilshere has missed the entire campaign with a stress fracture of his right ankle, which needed surgery.


Crocked: Jack Wilshere will be out for the rest of the season

He was expected to return this month but broke down in training last week.

Wilshere has since had a series of scans to determine the extent of the injury and the results indicate he has suffered another stress fracture in the same ankle.
The fuckers didn't want to release this news before deadline day. Jesus, what cunts.
:coffee:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2094673/Jack-Wilshere-injured-season.html

[Niall_Quinn]

No doubt about it. And just a few days ago they were saying the setback wasn't as bad as feared. There are some serious thieving bastards running this club. Looks likeRamsey will be the next guy worked into the ground to cover for the ack of resources. We're run by cunts.

[Syn]

His absence this season has been very frustrating. He showed last season that he was a top player - but more than that, his attitude on the pitch was second to none. He deserved to play with players who cared as much as he did. His performance against Barcelona showed he could out-perform the very best and his performance in the Carling cup final showed his determination. He had everything going for him and, IMO, he was close to becoming the very best in his position (a position he might not even be suited for).

Now he has missed a year of development at a young age, it's possible he might not get back to the level he was, nevermind the level he couldve been at after this season had he not been injured. He's a true gooner and an Arsenal injury has never annoyed me as much as this one has. Makes me utterly sick.

[Cripps_orig]

Whilshire :bow:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

I agree 100% with NQ(who would dare not too)

How we think it OK to go through a modern day football season that entails 4 major cup comps with one recognised striker that does have a history of injuries, a undermanned midfield and a rapid erosion of our FBs is beyond me!
How can we not see that we lack resources in both manpower and quality in every department. . .is that OK? ... obviously maybe because then we have some tit saying Citeh must be jealous of us. . .he could have a leg to stand on if our way of doing things was working but it aint, Citeh have beaten us twice this season and I am sure it wont be too long before we are not in as many competitions. . .I do seem to remember we wete in 4 comps around this time last year and. . .

We seem to look for any excuse to keep our wallet in our pocket. . .and now we may not have Jack back. . .with no way of signing someone. . .not even a loan, seeing that Wenger opened his fucking trap about how he feels about taking on loanees over 21!

And that is what is killing the club as well as tje board and Wengers on field management, rhe BULLSHIT!
How can we convince ourselves that we are following the right way, I dont want to see us turn into a Citeh are a Chavsea but I want us to challenge, stay the pace, have a fucking say in where the trophies go. . .a think most fans can accepy failure if we showed we owned a pair and gave it our all, which the players do most of the time but there is no support, no pressure, no push to find that extra yet to be discovered gear.

Can we accept this Jauarys lack if activity, we will have to, cos we love the club but I vet I am not the only one that expects real investment this summer. . .whether we see it or not. . .thats just part and parcel of being a Gooner fan it seems. . .:get coat:

[Master Splinter]

Our big summer unveiling then?

Summer 2015 I mean.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't think anyone saw this coming. :rolleyes:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I agree 100% with NQ(who would dare not too)

How we think it OK to go through a modern day football season that entails 4 major cup comps with one recognised striker that does have a history of injuries, a undermanned midfield and a rapid erosion of our FBs is beyond me!
How can we not see that we lack resources in both manpower and quality in every department. . .is that OK? ... obviously maybe because then we have some tit saying Citeh must be jealous of us. . .he could have a leg to stand on if our way of doing things was working but it aint, Citeh have beaten us twice this season and I am sure it wont be too long before we are not in as many competitions. . .I do seem to remember we wete in 4 comps around this time last year and. . .

We seem to look for any excuse to keep our wallet in our pocket. . .and now we may not have Jack back. . .with no way of signing someone. . .not even a loan, seeing that Wenger opened his fucking trap about how he feels about taking on loanees over 21!

And that is what is killing the club as well as tje board and Wengers on field management, rhe BULLSHIT!
How can we convince ourselves that we are following the right way, I dont want to see us turn into a Citeh are a Chavsea but I want us to challenge, stay the pace, have a fucking say in where the trophies go. . .a think most fans can accepy failure if we showed we owned a pair and gave it our all, which the players do most of the time but there is no support, no pressure, no push to find that extra yet to be discovered gear.

Can we accept this Jauarys lack if activity, we will have to, cos we love the club but I vet I am not the only one that expects real investment this summer. . .whether we see it or not. . .thats just part and parcel of being a Gooner fan it seems. . .:get coat:


I think with Jan sigings, They were never going to happen, reason being, We won't win the league, won't finish 4th, won't win the cl and the sqaud we have should be good enough to win the cup, i believe Wenger and his mates believe this. I also believe they did not want to spend till they saw where we finished top 4 or not

In the summer there is no excuses now not to sign players tbh, none of this we have players out BS. New season show some fecking ambtion or they should all get lost and let the russian come into to the club and do what he needs too.

[Grebbo]

I don't think it makes much difference to our season tbh. 4th is gone anyway so surely it's best we just give him the rest of the season off and give him a proper pre-season?

[Syn]

I don't think it makes much difference to our season tbh. 4th is gone anyway so surely it's best we just give him the rest of the season off and give him a proper pre-season?

I just enjoy watching him play (no homo). Even if it makes no difference to our end position (but I have a feeling it would've helped us a lot).

[Dennis Bendtner]

'A leeeetle setback'.

Could do with the German being good straight away now. CM is threadbare.

[Kano]

great news.

keeps him away from the england squad, takes the pressure off him for the remainder of the season (which would've been heaped onto his shoulders upon his return) and allows a fresh start next season.

[Coney]

great news.

keeps him away from the england squad, takes the pressure off him for the remainder of the season (which would've been heaped onto his shoulders upon his return) and allows a fresh injury next season.

:(

[Marc Overmars]

The pressure is unavoidable anyway, it's only going to increase the longer he's out.

[Grebbo]

I just enjoy watching him play (no homo). Even if it makes no difference to our end position (but I have a feeling it would've helped us a lot).

I agree he's one of our few bright lights and is wonderful to watch. I do think his stock has risen substantially with him not playing though. He's now regarded as Arsenal's and England's saviour and he wasn't even an England regular when he was fit!

I agree with a poster above: rest of season off + no England tournament shite = good

[GP]

Oh well.

It'll give him more time to punch taxi drivers and fuck sluts.

[Kano]

The pressure is unavoidable anyway, it's only going to increase the longer he's out.

i think it would be worse if he returned now with such a pressure cooker on for getting into the champs league. at least he can have a full pre season and be ready to go mid august.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I just enjoy watching him play (no homo). Even if it makes no difference to our end position (but I have a feeling it would've helped us a lot).

Agree with Syn, At least with him coming back we had some creativity to look forward too. Now it seems we will be seeing the same old till the end of the season. Only problem was it would be a month before he would have been back to full fitness which by then our season could have beeon over.

Oh well i guess this thomas guy will have to be our saviour and chamakh is back, yay

[Syn]

I agree he's one of our few bright lights and is wonderful to watch. I do think his stock has risen substantially with him not playing though. He's now regarded as Arsenal's and England's saviour and he wasn't even an England regular when he was fit!

He was an England regular by the time he got injured - in the sense that he was getting picked and going to get picked every game. He was truly brilliant last season - there's no getting away from it. I don't think his stock has risen. I think people have completely forgotten about him. I think Fabregas and Nasri's stock has gone up a lot with them not playing for us. All the talk is about missing Nasri and Fabregas but Wilshere was the midfielder who out-performed them comfortably over the season (there was a 2 month period where Nasri was a lot better but Wilshere was consistently excellent).

Wilshere is underrated in the same way Bale is - because people think they're 'overrated'. After the initial over-praising of Bale after he destroyed Inter Milan, he has still been quality but people laughed off claims of him being the best winger around with comparisons with Messi, Ronaldo etc. He might not be the very best, but he's fucking good. Same with Wilshere. Jack was fucking good. Now though, who knows.

[Coney]

It'll give him more time to fuck sluts.

As long as he doesn't catch anything, it will help him stay fit. :good:

[Özim]

That's one of our new signings for next season then....a couple more toddlers and our business should be done!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

That's one of our new signings for next season then....a couple more toddlers and our business should be done!

We sigining Jacks son too then, as well as RVP's ?

[Flavs]

This just compounds my utter disbelief at loaning out Miyachi and Frimpong when we have a fatigued squad and so many injuries. Also did we actually sell Arshavin??

I feel sorry for that German kid we have signed looks like he might end up playing this season now

[Olivier's xmas twist]

This just compounds my utter disbelief at loaning out Miyachi and Frimpong when we have a fatigued squad and so many injuries. Also did we actually sell Arshavin??

I feel sorry for that German kid we have signed looks like he might end up playing this season now

No, a few weeks left in the russian window though.

Time to bring back Deniloson and Vela tbh can't do any worse then waht we got right?

[Ollie the Optimist]

knowing our luck with injuries its probs best to believe this is true but, there are no quotes or anything in that quoted article and loads of other journos are reporting that he has a set back (which we already knew) and nothing has changed since the news first broke. the mail could be right but nothing yet so far. lets just wait and see

[KSE Comedy Club]

This just compounds my utter disbelief at loaning out Miyachi and Frimpong when we have a fatigued squad and so many injuries. Also did we actually sell Arshavin??

I feel sorry for that German kid we have signed looks like he might end up playing this season now
Its just another example of the piss poor management we have at the helm.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It's a stress fracture in his right foot. Impressive work for someone coming back from an ankle injury.

[gunnerrrrr]

Our meidical team are useless...im sorry they are

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Our meidical team are useless...im sorry they are

Thats if you can call them that tbh.

[Marc Overmars]

It's a stress fracture in his right foot. Impressive work for someone coming back from an ankle injury.

So a totally unrelated injury?

:wacko:

Fuck this shit tbf.

[Flavs]

Our meidical team are useless...im sorry they are

It's not there fault the players are a bunch of pussy's

[McNamara That Ghost...]

So a totally unrelated injury?

:wacko:

Fuck this shit tbf.

Well not totally unrelated because a stress fracture can only occur, almost as residual damage from the stress put on it - hence the name. Put it this way, it's something that should be identifiable if you take the time to see if the player is in the danger zone, the name implies it isn't something you just 'get'.

It's especially stupid it has happened to a player who is (was) coming back from injury.

[Marc Overmars]

What a farce.

Need Gary Lewin back tbh.

Doesn't look like his expertise runs in the family.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Sky Sports sources understand Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere will find out in a fortnight the severity of what is believed to be a stress fracture to the right foot.

Wilshere has been not played a game all season due to an ankle problem which first troubled him whilst away on international duty with England last season.

He had hoped to be back in action by the end of February but there have been stories this week about an apparent setback in his recovery.

Manager Arsene Wenger responded by saying Wilshere had not had to return to wearing a protective boot, but fresh reports suggested on Wednesday he would remain sidelined until the end of the campaign and would not be fit for Euro 2012.
Influence

It is now understood that while the 20-year-old's original injury has healed fairly well, he has suffered a stress fracture to the same area of the right foot.

It is too early to say how long Wilshere will be out for, but it is thought that he will visit a specialist in two weeks' time.

Arsenal will then have a better idea of when the youngster might be able to return, having missed his influence in the centre of the field this term.

The Gunners are currently sixth in the Premier League standings ahead of Wednesday night's clash with Bolton.


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/7472022/Wilshere-to-see-specialist

[Dennis Bendtner]

I think by Sky Sports sources they mean arsenal.com.

[Fist of Lehmann]

This playing players until they die comes about partly because Wenger only seems to trust a small proportion of his players to play. Once Wilshere proved what could be achieved from his position, Denilson, although fit, never got a look in. We were grateful for that at the time, not so much now.

We are well into this process with Ramsey this season.

But if there's one good thing to come out of the ACoN it's that Oxlain took his chance, and by rights should now be considered a trusted player. Once Gervingo comes back, Chamberlade should be allowed to rotate with Ramsey and possibly Rosicky for the attacking midfield spot, saving Ramsey from certain death.

AND, he should be considered for the wide positions.

[LDG]

This playing players until they die comes about partly because Wenger only seems to trust a small proportion of his players to play. Once Wilshere proved what could be achieved from his position, Denilson, although fit, never got a look in. We were grateful for that at the time, not so much now.

We are well into this process with Ramsey this season.

But if there's one good thing to come out of the ACoN it's that Oxlain took his chance, and by rights should now be considered a trusted player. Once Gervingo comes back, Chamberlade should be allowed to rotate with Ramsey and possibly Rosicky for the attacking midfield spot, saving Ramsey from certain death.

AND, he should be considered for the wide positions.

We also have Alex Song who can play there.

But seriously. It ain't gonna happen.

AOC will be benched, and Gerv will be re-instated.

I honestly don't think Arshavin will be played again.

[Joker]

If he's out for the season we're fucked. Our midfield has lacked creativity all season, and without Wilshere I can't see us getting 4th place. Wenger must take a lot of responsibility for this, having overplayed Wilshere last season. There was and still is insufficient squad depth in terms of quality, which forces us to play the few top quality players regularly. Other teams don't have this problem because they have managers who are not so stubborn and realise the importance of having enough strength in depth to compete on multiple fronts.

Terry Tuffnutz says this is for the best, when in fact it is the worst news possible. Wilshere may have been put under pressure to improve the midfield if he returned this season, but there's no reason he wouldn't have handled the pressure and contributed to improving our midfield immeasurably.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

I don't think anyone saw this coming. :rolleyes:

Yup ........ let alone a coach who's got 50000 subs worth of experience.

[Niall_Quinn]

He'll be back in time for England lads, just watch and see. Even if he's not 100% the cunts will take him.

[Letters]

This playing players until they die comes about partly because Wenger only seems to trust a small proportion of his players to play. Once Wilshere proved what could be achieved from his position, Denilson, although fit, never got a look in. We were grateful for that at the time, not so much now.

We are well into this process with Ramsey this season.

I don't understand this sort of post. I've seen other people say it too. But elsewhere people have criticised Wenger for rotating :shrug:
Spurs haven't used that many players this season as they've been pretty lucky with injuries.
Players sometimes need a rest but overall a more consistent side is better, non?

[LDG]

Well. Plus, it was Jack who didn't tell anyone about the pain he had in his ankle, and wanted to keep playing.

They only knew there was a problem once it went "ping" in the Emirates Cup.

Players have a duty to let the medical team know if there's a problem....hopefully a mistake, wilshere has admitted, he won't make again.

[Grebbo]

This was a waste of money then:

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/medical-centre-opens-at-training-ground

Watching the video the equipment looks great but the staff look and sound like a right bunch of bell ends. We need to ship over some German docs - they're famous for being pioneers in the medical field.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well. Plus, it was Jack who didn't tell anyone about the pain he had in his ankle, and wanted to keep playing.

They only knew there was a problem once it went "ping" in the Emirates Cup.

Players have a duty to let the medical team know if there's a problem....hopefully a mistake, wilshere has admitted, he won't make again.

They do but on this occasion Arsenal knew he is coming back from injury, if they were a little bit more circumspect then it possibly wouldn't need Wilshere to tell the truth or not.

[Letters]

They do but on this occasion Arsenal knew he is coming back from injury, if they were a little bit more circumspect then it possibly wouldn't need Wilshere to tell the truth or not.

They surely have to rely on the players to give them some feedback though. Wilshere was obviously keen to get out there again, maybe he just over-stretched himself. The fact that Ramsey and Eduardo are playing football at all after their horrible injuries is credit to our medical team. In days of yore they'd never have played again

[LDG]

They do but on this occasion Arsenal knew he is coming back from injury, if they were a little bit more circumspect then it possibly wouldn't need Wilshere to tell the truth or not.

Soz. Do you mean now, or in the summer?

Regarding the here and now....It is frustrating that a highly paid medical team have allowed more damage to occur...but then, who's to say the dmage wasn't already a time-bomb...stress fractures often are.

He needs more milk.

He does!

Ian Rush says :sulk:

[Fist of Lehmann]

I don't understand this sort of post. I've seen other people say it too. But elsewhere people have criticised Wenger for rotating :shrug:
Spurs haven't used that many players this season as they've been pretty lucky with injuries.
Players sometimes need a rest but overall a more consistent side is better, non?Well it's hardly as clear cut as, Wenger rotates too much vs Wenger rotates not enough. You won't have heard me criticise him for rotating. Wenger rotates when he feels it's necessary fitnesswise and consequently more for some players than for others. Wilshere is a case in point. Played 49 times last season, more I think than other player. This is a kid in his first full season.

Yes, a settled team is better, but the days when you could win the league with 14 players in pretty much over. And I'm an advocate of not dicking about with a winning side.

To continue to play Wilshere in meaningless games at the end of last season seems strange to me. And given his stress fracture injuries I don't think you can really argue that he wasn't overplayed.

Tottenham apparently have Walker, King, Van Der Vaart and Adebunghole out injured atm.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Soz. Do you mean now, or in the summer?

Regarding the here and now....It is frustrating that a highly paid medical team have allowed more damage to occur...but then, who's to say the dmage wasn't already a time-bomb...stress fractures often are.

He needs more milk.

He does!

Ian Rush says :sulk:

I mean now.

If it already was a 'time-bomb' then wouldn't they know about it? That would surely have come up when he first started running again, or so I would've thought.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

They surely have to rely on the players to give them some feedback though. Wilshere was obviously keen to get out there again, maybe he just over-stretched himself. The fact that Ramsey and Eduardo are playing football at all after their horrible injuries is credit to our medical team. In days of yore they'd never have played again

Scans and more scans would surely show if his foot was in the danger zone or not. Perhaps they just weren't anticipating something like that happening. What you mention about Eduardo and Ramsey is slightly different - horrible injuries though they were (and in Eduardo's case much worse) broken bones take longer to heal (obviously) but eventually bones fuse back together stronger. In any case I don't really want to get bogged down in a compare and contrast with those players because that doesn't really preclude from the possibility of being a mismanagement in Wilshere's case.

Having said that, they are having more tests for him. Granted it could be after the fact but then, it might not be as bad as expected.

[LDG]

I mean now.

If it already was a 'time-bomb' then wouldn't they know about it? That would surely have come up when he first started running again, or so I would've thought.

:shrug:

Dunno tbh. From arse.com, they're saying it like it's a common occurance when recovering from injuries of this type....

Maybe they couldn't prevent it, that it was a risk etc....but that if he didn't get back running and weight-bearing, we might as well just leave him to find another job.

There is something wrong at the club though. The amount of injuries we sustain is beyond a joke, no doubt about it....

[Marc Overmars]

Maccy should apply to be on the medical team at the club.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:shrug:

Dunno tbh. From arse.com, they're saying it like it's a common occurance when recovering from injuries of this type....

Maybe they couldn't prevent it, that it was a risk etc....but that if he didn't get back running and weight-bearing, we might as well just leave him to find another job.

There is something wrong at the club though. The amount of injuries we sustain is beyond a joke, no doubt about it....

I'd have thought it being an ankle injury would be enough to be as cautious as possible. There's only one way you can 'stress' it and that's by doing too much. It could be that he took it upon himself to do as much training as possible, footballers have a tendency to be dim.

I think there probably is something inherently wrong with how we do things but it's also compounded with the league we play in. We haven't been able to play a first XI since 2004, it's just stupid.

[Letters]

In any case I don't really want to get bogged down in a compare and contrast with those players because that doesn't really preclude from the possibility of being a mismanagement in Wilshere's case.

Well no, it doesn't. Just making the point that there are a couple of examples where the medical team did a pretty good job which does preclude them being a load of incompetent idiots. None of us know what's gone on with Wilshere of course or whether different medical staff would have done a better job.

There clearly is an issue with our injury record. How much of that is down to the medical staff and how much down to over-playing or the type of player Wenger tends to go for (smaller, more technical players who are perhaps more likely to get clobbered) and how much down to just plain back luck we can't really know.

[Syn]

Maccy should apply to be on the medical team at the club.

non-Lewins need not apply.

Be the best.

Arsenal medical team.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well no, it doesn't. Just making the point that there are a couple of examples where the medical team did a pretty good job which does preclude them being a load of incompetent idiots. None of us know what's gone on with Wilshere of course or whether different medical staff would have done a better job.

There clearly is an issue with our injury record. How much of that is down to the medical staff and how much down to over-playing or the type of player Wenger tends to go for (smaller, more technical players who are perhaps more likely to get clobbered) and how much down to just plain back luck we can't really know.

Unfortunately those examples are 2008 and 2010 respectively and with (barring permanent disability) the worst injuries a footballer can get. What am I saying is, they've done well when it comes to those heightened injuries which though horrible are rare (after they've had surgery elsewhere of course) but the ones where it might be more 'common' wear and tear, it's an area we're quite possibly lacking in.

None of us know for sure of course but then that's the case for nearly everything that happens in football, politics whatever. I'm making the 'judgement' on what I can see; I could be wrong, I could be completely wrong but my intuition tells me that I'm not.

[Fist of Lehmann]

I find it impossible to believe that an organisation such as ours would have incompetent people in our medical team.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I find it impossible to believe that an organisation such as ours would have incompetent people in our medical team.

It doesn't have to be incompetence, for one (if LDG and Letters are right) it could be misunderstanding a footballer's mentality, focusing on the injury they've got rather than the player who has it - I mean we all know that despite the money they can earn for doing nothing, footballers hate not playing.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

So is he out for the season or not

[McNamara That Ghost...]

So is he out for the season or not

As it stands, no. In a couple of weeks it's supposed to be known.

[Syn]

Unfortunately those examples are 2008 and 2010 respectively and with (barring permanent disability) the worst injuries a footballer can get. What am I saying is, they've done well when it comes to those heightened injuries which though horrible are rare (after they've had surgery elsewhere of course) but the ones where it might be more 'common' wear and tear, it's an area we're quite possibly lacking in.

No doubt about it. If I wasn't so lazy (and even geekier than I am now) I'd track down a list of proposed comeback dates at time of injury and actual comeback date. Actually, I tried it once but gave up. We are consistently topping the injury table and while some of it may be bad luck, some of it clearly isn't. What I want to know is why there isn't enough talk about this. The manager has to answer to a shit substitution and tactical failings on the pitch - but why is he never asked the question of injuries? Instead he keeps using it as an excuse to suggest things will pick up ("We still have x,y,z to come back from injury..." etc.).

Not enough weight is being put on The no. 1 problem at the club and we need to drum up some interest. I'll get started on the powerpoint presentation, you sort out the flyers.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

As it stands, no. In a couple of weeks it's supposed to be known.

Cheers Maccy

[Fist of Lehmann]

It doesn't have to be incompetence, for one (if LDG and Letters are right) it could be misunderstanding a footballer's mentality, focusing on the injury they've got rather than the player who has it - I mean we all know that despite the money they can earn for doing nothing, footballers hate not playing.True enough. And as much as you'd hope that the medical team of a major football club would understand a footballer's mentality, if a patient tells you he's not feeling any pain, you have no way of telling if he's lying.

Hmm, unless...I'm thinking sodium pentathol and a polygraph test.

[LDG]

Maccy's right. The wear and tear ones seem endless. And are probably (to a degree) preventable in some way. Training? The pitch? Any number of things. everyone else seems to avoid it, so what are we doing wrong?

"He has a little ankle"

"He has a little calf"

"He has a little toe"

We have been unlucky with the leg-breaks and the fractures etc. No doubt about it. But is that as a consequence of the way we play?? Dunno....I was always told you'll get hurt more if you pussy out of challenges....true to a certain extent. You can't stop stoke orcs and sunderland trolls from going over the top and snapping legs, but if you don't contest a ball, sometimes you get nailed for it.

[Ollie the Optimist]

from twitter jack was always saying he had been hitting it hard in the gym etc so the argument that he caused it by doing too much could be valid, watching the medical video, that anti gravity machiene could be the problem, perhpas he did lots of running on that with everyone thinking it would be ok and it wasnt.

[Cripps_orig]

Didnt expect him to play this season anyway and this was before the setback so changes f all tbh

[Gubby Allen]

How we laughed when Wellbeck, Jones, Smalling, Henderson, Sturridge were all being dragged off to the Euro U21's last summer.

They'll all be ****ed next season they said, but we'll have a nice fresh Jack.