Super Super Quality Transfer Speculation & Shit

[KSE Comedy Club]

Whats AFCamden saying? :lol:

AFCAMDEN
@AFCAMDEN "Fakeyank is a dick!"

[SayNoMore]

Mvila would be amazing. Hope we get him, would be a great signing and i dont see anyone else we are linked with who would be better.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

AFCAMDEN
@AFCAMDEN "Fakeyank is a dick!"


:haha:

[Özim]

The BBC confirmed Spurs had made a bid and another PL club (not us) was interested, the only link we've had with him is Twitter and IMO that's just rubbish. I reckon he'll end up at Spurs seeing as they have the money and have already started the ball rolling.

Would be good to snap up Toualan from Malaga though, he's excellent.

[selassie]

I think if we were really that keen on M'Vila we would have signed him earlier on in the Summer, he was practically begging for us to sign him a couple of months back. He's off to Spurs. I mean we won't pay the Money Spurs have offered for him and his club are hardly likely to sell him for less.

I dont think we'll be able to secure our first choice options which I believe are Cabaye from Newcastle and Yanga-Mbiwa who is the young versatile defender and captain at Montpellier. Both of these players will command fairly big fees, I reckon Newcastle won't take anything less than 20 for Cabaye, we won't pay that, though I've no doubt we'll "lowball" offer for him.

Yanga-Mbiwa, will probably cost around 10 and he's only got a year left on his contract, he's a big talent, very versatile player. Again I think we'll go in for him trying to "lowball" them.

I dunno...we'll probably end up with nothing...which IMHO isn't ideal, I think we need one top class Midfielder at least.

[SayNoMore]

Spurs can try all they want, once we come in for him again he is only going to want to come to us, seems to like us (dont know why).I could be completely wrong, but i dont see anyone else in the market good enough tbh.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

The BBC confirmed Spurs had made a bid and another PL club (not us) was interested, the only link we've had with him is Twitter and IMO that's just rubbish. I reckon he'll end up at Spurs seeing as they have the money and have already started the ball rolling.

Would be good to snap up Toualan from Malaga though, he's excellent.

Means nothing if he wants CL footie.

[SayNoMore]

Means nothing if he wants CL footie.

Spot on imo. I think he wants us, we want him, just standard Wenger trying to reduce the fee, which we will eventually cough up on deadline day.

[Grebbo]

If we wanted M'Vila we'd have signed him by now.

I still have a hope that we'll sign Llorente as a striker is surely our priority with us only having Giroud as our only striker in the squad.

[SayNoMore]

If we wanted M'Vila we'd have signed him by now.

I still have a hope that we'll sign Llorente as a striker is surely our priority with us only having Giroud as our only striker in the squad.

Yeah coz Wenger is the type of manager to do things the logical way ....Llorente wont come to us and a defensive midfielder should be priority number 1.

[Grebbo]

Yeah coz Wenger is the type of manager to do things the logical way ....Llorente wont come to us and a defensive midfielder should be priority number 1.

Well he's been pretty logical this summer and has bought before he sold. If he wanted M'Vila he'd of signed him before Spurs were flush with Modric cash. Wenger simply doesn't want him IMO.

We haven't had a DM since Gilberto so I don't think it's imperative that we sign one now.

A top striker is a must get or 4th will be difficult.

[Xhaka Can’t]

AFCAMDEN
@AFCAMDEN "Fakeyank is a dick!"

:haha:

[GP]

He's spot on yet again

[Özim]

Means nothing if he wants CL footie.
If no CL club bids for him, he'll be happy to sign for Spurs, we've not bid for him so we're not even in the picture. IMO we won't either.

[gooners]

If no CL club bids for him, he'll be happy to sign for Spurs, we've not bid for him so we're not even in the picture. IMO we won't either.

it's not like he has the remotest chance of winning the cl with us, unless getting to the knockout phase 'counts as trophy'.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Spot on imo. I think he wants us, we want him, just standard Wenger trying to reduce the fee, which we will eventually cough up on deadline day.

Maybe or maybe we have other targets.

If we wanted M'Vila we'd have signed him by now.

I still have a hope that we'll sign Llorente as a striker is surely our priority with us only having Giroud as our only striker in the squad.

True or we wating to get him on a cheaper fee before the window closes.


If no CL club bids for him, he'll be happy to sign for Spurs, we've not bid for him so we're not even in the picture. IMO we won't either.

You have no way of knowing if we have or have not we always do our deals private so it would never be broadcast if we did. Do i think we will get him probs not.

[Özim]

You have no way of knowing if we have or have not we always do our deals private so it would never be broadcast if we did. Do i think we will get him probs not.
It's all over the media, if we had bid it would be all over the press.....his club would want a transfer tug of war so would want each club to know there's firm bids from other clubs. We haven't bid for him and won't, this signing is just something this board has been obsessed about all summer.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It's all over the media, if we had bid it would be all over the press.....his club would want a transfer tug of war so would want each club to know there's firm bids from other clubs. We haven't bid for him and won't, this signing is just something this board has been obsessed about all summer.

No this Signing is something the media has been obsssed about rather then the board. Of course if its written in the rag on sky sports bbc how much we want him most fans might feel we were in for him when in reality the club may nothave wanted him since the Euro's or before.

[Cripps_orig]

No this singinging is something the media has been obsssed about rather then the board. Of course if its written in the rag on sky sports bbc how much we want him most fans might feel we were in for him when in reality the club may nothave wanted him since the Euro's or before.

This what? :blink:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

This what? :blink:

Your face.

[Grebbo]

True or we wating to get him on a cheaper fee before the window closes.



That tactic only works if the guy's only got a year left on his contract, don't think M'Vila has.

That's why I still have hope for Llorente

:pray:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

That tactic only works if the guy's only got a year left on his contract, don't think M'Vila has.

That's why I still have hope for Llorente

:pray:

True, but who knows (He'll probs end up at spuds anyway) Think we need prem based players anyways.

Why so positive over Llorente.

[GP]

Llorente, Fellaini, done.

[Grebbo]

Why so positive over Llorente.

He's a very good striker, he's for sale and would cost less than £20m

We desperately need another striker as we've only got one

Must get IMO but of course we won't sign him

[Ollie the Optimist]

Llorente, Fellaini, done.

we can but dream

[Japan Shaking All Over]

we can but dream

of being locked in a room with a bunch of naughty goers :dream:

[fakeyank]

AFCAMDEN
@AFCAMDEN "Fakeyank is a dick!"

:lol:

Going by record of being wrong in whatever BS he spouts, we can safely say that I am not a dick! :geek:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Today's mutterings from ITK's:

We have made an enquiry about Edin Dzeko.

[4-3-3]

Today's mutterings from ITK's:

We have made an enquiry about Edin Dzeko.

the way we play at arsenal, i cant se him scoring many goals.. really option for us is dempsey for around 7m if we are op for instant goals and play two op front. Dzeko will cost about 20m i cant see wenger going for that and his wage is plus 100k

[I_Killed_Kenny]

i would rather have dzeko than llorente which seems the name a lot of people are touting! prem experience, has done well with limited opportunities and has a better record than llorente. i really dont see the fuss in llorente ( 1 in 3 at best) but in the same breath these 2 are similar in style to giroud i would say, eg big man up top, so for me i doubt either will happen.

[fakeyank]

If we continue playing the same boring system of football, only super talented forwards with technical ability will be able to score for us. Ex: RVP, Messi, Ronaldo etc. You can have Nistelrooy (in his prime) play in our system and he wont score more than 10-12 goals a season for us.

Dzeko would be a great buy but he gets great service and is encouraged to be in the box to attack the second balls. He will be in unfamiliar territory if he comes to Arsenal! Oh, do not forget City also play with 2 up front while we play a 4-6-0: the very much inferior model compared to Spain or Barca.

Like some have mentioned.. its not that we do not have good players, I think we have some very good players to challenge for honors... the problem is the fucking system of play! The stark difference in what we used to look like up till 2008 season (Eduardo injury) to the garbage we see now is astonishing!

[selassie]

i would rather have dzeko than llorente which seems the name a lot of people are touting! prem experience, has done well with limited opportunities and has a better record than llorente. i really dont see the fuss in llorente ( 1 in 3 at best) but in the same breath these 2 are similar in style to giroud i would say, eg big man up top, so for me i doubt either will happen.

Yep, I doubt either will happen too, Llorente is probably slightly too expensive for us, same applies for Dezko and we couldn't match his wages either.

I like Dzeko, I think he's a good player, surprised he's not moved on yet, he's certainly too good a player to be riding the pine every week. Maybe it's because of his wages?

[I_Killed_Kenny]

most likely cos of his wages which then rules us out too! if we are going for a striker I think fakeyank is right, it will be one with good technique and not one in giroud/dzeko mould.

[The Ogg Monster]

Dzeko? No fucking way will AW sign him.

[Marc Overmars]

Apparently Spurs have had a bid accepted for Hugo Lloris.

[Globalgunner]

Nobody wants to go to spurs unless they have no other option.

[4-3-3]

fogotten heroes.

essien can do job for us. and chelsea will probably be happy to take him out of their pay list. 6m will be enough. i dont think he is oneof the highst paid at bridge. plus a good foward and af right back, we are ready to go.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Today's mutterings from ITK's:

We have made an enquiry about Edin Dzeko.

Not going to cheat and read what everone is aying about this rumour but will guess its something like he's shit etc

But I would take him, reckon the guy has a ton of goals in him id given regular football. . .massive stumbling block would be his wages and the fact that we have near to no time to sit around shooting the breeze about them!

Only a rumour but it is interestingvto hear we are looking about for a striker, good to hear cos I think we need one too

[Japan Shaking All Over]

fogotten heroes.

essien can do job for us. and chelsea will probably be happy to take him out of their pay list. 6m will be enough. i dont think he is oneof the highst paid at bridge. plus a good foward and af right back, we are ready to go.

Essien would be interesting even though short term. . .is becoming increasing out of the picture at the bridge. . , we've helped our fair share of war heros, another wouldnt go amiss!

How old is this guy now anyway?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

29, about 84 in ability now though.

[GP]

Essien :lol:

No thanks. I'd rather stick with Diaby.

[selassie]

fogotten heroes.

essien can do job for us. and chelsea will probably be happy to take him out of their pay list. 6m will be enough. i dont think he is oneof the highst paid at bridge. plus a good foward and af right back, we are ready to go.

Injuries have literally crippled Essien. He can't run anymore, completely lost his legs.

Getting up and down the pitch was pretty much the main part of his game, or at least his key attribute.

He's no use to us, do not want.

[4-3-3]

Essien :lol:

No thanks. I'd rather stick with Diaby.

he is enjured already.:coffee:

essien alround a better player than diaby, he can play right back, not enjury prone as diaby is. experience, winner type..and iam starting to daubt that diaby will show his full ability efter years of enjuries, he will be the same as ramsey, i dont expect alot from him this season and he shoudnt start 3 games in a raw, but we dont have players to come in and the job.

[GP]

Essien not injury prone? :lol:

Essien used to be awesome, but I can only assume you haven't seen him play for the last 2 years.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

OK. . .so its no to Essien. . .our oft meek and keeps himself to himself ex-hero Ian 'give me the mic' Wright has been saying we should go for Defoe!

Perfect player to mop ip the second ball chances we fail to pur away. . .

Little chatter out there so throwing this one out there now

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

If we continue playing the same boring system of football, only super talented forwards with technical ability will be able to score for us. Ex: RVP, Messi, Ronaldo etc. You can have Nistelrooy (in his prime) play in our system and he wont score more than 10-12 goals a season for us.

yeah good point. last season in stalemate games like sunderland and stoke we were reliant on rvp making technical runs in behind the defence and the likes of song picking him out. both are now gone and we have strikers who aren't doing that hence we aren't scoring. we're going out wide, coming back into the middle then back out wide with no success. the team seems dumfounded of any killer creativity. giroud needs to start making those intelligent runs in behind the defence just like rvp did. we relied on that tactic a hell of a lot last season.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Sorry forgot to add. . .Wrighty thinks he would be the perfect player

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Apparently Spurs have had a bid accepted for Hugo Lloris.

Yeah down to the player says Lyon president.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Spuds love signing goalkeepers.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

lloris is a bit overrated

everytime ive seen him he's been shite. i seem to remember a certain mr barthez being highly rated in france but came here and was useless.

they can have him

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Spuds love signing goalkeepers.

They should have gone for Cesar who is much better amd much cheaper.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Joey Barton has Tweeted to say he's now back training with QPR reserves - and no longer expects to move to Marseille.

Doesn't look like this Marseille thing is gonna happen now. 'Whatever doesn't kill you make you stronger'


Barton :pal:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Yeah down to the player says Lyon president.

Is that the same president that put a deadline for any deal to done by or no go!

Weve done our bit anyway, feigned interest, pushed the price up, fucked Spurs off and now theyre going to shell out over the odds

What a bunch of kermits!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Is that the same president that put a deadline for any deal to done by or no go!

Weve done our bit anyway, feigned interest, pushed the price up, fucked Spurs off and now theyre going to shell out over the odds

What a bunch of kermits!

Yep, don't worry he'll fake another Arsenal bid this week to get the price up.

[4-3-3]

http://www.football365.com/mailbox/8027562/Dembele-For-United-Dempsey-For-Arsenal...

Arsenal Should Get Dempsey
After the Stoke game on Sunday Wenger addressed a few issues while stating that there was something still missing in the team's play. Can I just say that that 'something' is Clint Dempsey?

A player who would be affordable and would jump at the chance to play CL, Dempsey offers everything that Arsenal require. Attacking midfielder? You have it. Good link-up play? Check. Aerial prowess? Check. Crossing ability? Good. Premier league experience? Yes. Goals? Certainly. All in all, Dempsey would form a good partnership with Cazorla given his experience and would slot in with no hassles. He has it all. Even if Arsenal used him as a back-up striker or a substitute to scrap for a goal in the 80 minute, he could be more reliable than Chamakh because he will at least shoot when it matters.

How this player is still looking for a suitable club to take him is still beyond me. Yes, he's not going to be some magician like Hazard but he is the perfect team player that Arsenal are lacking. Liverpool have already signed Sahin and despite all the transfer talk of Clint wanting Liverpool, let's face it, CL football is a more attractive proposition and given Bendtner is on his way while Park and Chamakh look as likely loan deals, Dempsey is essentially what Arsenal are lacking. Sign him up Arsene! FFS!

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Barton :pal:

Didnt he slag everyone off at the club. . .no chance if playing since QPR have brought in abou 617 new players

[Olivier's xmas twist]

AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani claims the club have ended their interest in re-signing Real Madrid playmaker Kaka as there are 'too many risks' involved.
by @SkySportsChrisB 11:39 AM

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11854/8027593/Milan-end-Kaka-chase

Kaka seems no one wants him.

[4-3-3]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11854/8027593/Milan-end-Kaka-chase

Kaka seems no one wants him.

brazilian players over 27:lol:
only romario and roberto carlos ofcource cafu..the rest :rose: too much pies and lost interest in football. eg. ronaldinho, ronaldo, adriano and ofcource andre santos.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Didnt he slag everyone off at the club. . .no chance if playing since QPR have brought in abou 617 new players

Yes. And he will again, moaning about the club having no love fo him etc. Persoanlly this is good no way should he have been allowed to escape his 10 game ban.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

brazilian players over 27:lol:
only romario and roberto carlos ofcource cafu..the rest :rose: too much pies and lost interest in football. eg. ronaldinho, ronaldo, adriano and ofcource andre santos.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3204/tumblrlz35ulst6h1qdfqdw.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/tumblrlz35ulst6h1qdfqdw.jpg/)

[Bergkampwonderland10]

http://www.football365.com/mailbox/8027562/Dembele-For-United-Dempsey-For-Arsenal...

Arsenal Should Get Dempsey
After the Stoke game on Sunday Wenger addressed a few issues while stating that there was something still missing in the team's play. Can I just say that that 'something' is Clint Dempsey?

A player who would be affordable and would jump at the chance to play CL, Dempsey offers everything that Arsenal require. Attacking midfielder? You have it. Good link-up play? Check. Aerial prowess? Check. Crossing ability? Good. Premier league experience? Yes. Goals? Certainly. All in all, Dempsey would form a good partnership with Cazorla given his experience and would slot in with no hassles. He has it all. Even if Arsenal used him as a back-up striker or a substitute to scrap for a goal in the 80 minute, he could be more reliable than Chamakh because he will at least shoot when it matters.

How this player is still looking for a suitable club to take him is still beyond me. Yes, he's not going to be some magician like Hazard but he is the perfect team player that Arsenal are lacking. Liverpool have already signed Sahin and despite all the transfer talk of Clint wanting Liverpool, let's face it, CL football is a more attractive proposition and given Bendtner is on his way while Park and Chamakh look as likely loan deals, Dempsey is essentially what Arsenal are lacking. Sign him up Arsene! FFS!
This!!!!!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11854/8027593/Milan-end-Kaka-chase

Kaka seems no one wants him.

http://i49.tinypic.com/f4ekwj.png

Me. :bow:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

AC Milan have agreed a deal with Caen for their teenage forward M'Baye Niang, with the youngster hailing the switch as a 'dream come true'.

Milan were one of a number of clubs hoping to snap up a player considered to be among the most exciting talents in European football.

Premier League outfit Everton were also believed to be in the hunt for the 17-year-old striker, who burst onto the scene in April 2011.

Niang was a regular feature for Caen last season as they slipped out of Ligue 1 and has already broken in the France U21 side.

It was expected to be only a matter of time before he was lured to one of the continent's top sides, and Milan appear to have won that race.
Great club

Rossoneri vice-president Adriano Galliani told the Milan Channel: "Niang? He will join (Massimiliano) Allegri and the first team.

"We think he's a good player, even if I usually wait six months before passing judgement on a new arrival."

Niang is looking forward to furthering his development at the San Siro, telling Tuttomercatoweb: "I have made a big dream come true by joining Milan.

"Now it's up to me to prove that I'm good enough to be in this great club."


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8027638/-Dream-Milan-move-for-Niang

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Sky Sports understands that Italian giants AC Milan are prepared to offer Nicklas Bendtner a route out of Arsenal.

The Denmark international appears to have no future at the Emirates after being deemed surplus to requirements.

The 24-year-old spent last season on loan at Sunderland, netting eight times in all competitions, but the Black Cats have opted against making the move permanent.

That decision has forced Bendtner back to North London, where the door to the first team remains bolted despite the Gunners' summer sale of Robin van Persie to Manchester United.

Bendtner has openly expressed his desire to move on, and Arsenal are willing to listen to offers.
Enquiry

It is understood that Milan have made an enquiry, with the Serie A title hopefuls in the market for attacking talent after offloading Zlatan Ibrahimovic to Paris St Germain.

Wherever Bendtner ends up at the close of the summer transfer window, his next international outing will not be coming at the start of 2014 World Cup qualification.

UEFA have stung the striker with a one-match ban for 'improper conduct' and have rejected his appeal against the suspension and resulting fine.

That means Bendtner, who was charged following an ill-advised goal celebration at Euro 2012, will sit out Denmark's meeting with the Czech Republic on 8th September.


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8027689/Bendtner-on-Rossoneri-radar

[KSE Comedy Club]

Lansbury's been sold for £1m to Nottingham forest.

15th player to leave the club this summer.

[Cripps_orig]

CHELSEA and Arsenal will fight it out for the signature of France international defender Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa.
The versatile 23-year-old captained unfancied Montpellier to the French title in May.
He has a year left on his deal and would cost £7million.
Gunners boss Arsene Wenger is a long-time admirer but Chelsea sent scouts to watch Yanga-Mbiwa in Montpellier’s 1-0 loss to Marseille on Sunday.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4507238/Arsenal-and-Chelsea-chase-Mapou-Yanga-Mbiwa.html#ixzz24qHIrVaH

yay

[GP]

Lansbury's been sold for £1m to Nottingham forest.

15th player to leave the club this summer.

Name them

[KSE Comedy Club]

Chelsea could do with another player tbh.

They don't have many as it is.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Lansbury's been sold for £1m to Nottingham forest.

15th player to leave the club this summer.

shame really.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Name them

Thats including youth and academy players, and those on loan.

And I should have added 'allegedly'

[selassie]

yay

He's a very good player from what I've seen of him. If we want him then we'll have to pay up because we sure as hell won't be getting him on the cheap.

When I mean pay up, I'm talking like 7-10mill which is quite an outlay for a young defender with a year left on his contract.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We gonna have a seperate thead for DLD for keep or that shit in here.

[Globalgunner]

shame really.
For a club that prides itself in good business principles we sure are shit in sales. £1m?. Hes probably cost us 4 times that much in training, kit and salaries over the years he`s been here. Seems we exist to provide players for both teams above and below us in stature.

[GP]

For a club that prides itself in good business principles we sure are shit in sales. £1m?. Hes probably cost us 4 times that much in training, kit and salaries over the years he`s been here. Seems we exist to provide players for both teams above and below us in stature.

He's not a used car.

We can only sell for what the buying club are willing to pay.

[Globalgunner]

He's not a used car.

We can only sell for what the buying club are willing to pay.
Still means we are dumb businessmen. Spend 4m to sell for 1m. How many ways can you spell bankruptcy. He was supposed to be one our few bright sparks.

[Marc Overmars]

Bendtner could be off to AC. :pray:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Still means we are dumb businessmen. Spend 4m to sell for 1m. How many ways can you spell bankruptcy. He was supposed to be one our few bright sparks.

Never heard of a transfer where the price of the number of pairs of socks worn by the player has been factored into the fee

[Olivier's xmas twist]

For a club that prides itself in good business principles we sure are shit in sales. £1m?. Hes probably cost us 4 times that much in training, kit and salaries over the years he`s been here. Seems we exist to provide players for both teams above and below us in stature.

That has nothing to do with anything, he is not a 1st teamer. so it don't matter who we sold too no one would pay more then a million for him anyways.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

More news regarding AC Milan and their quest to bring in striking additions. Rossoneri vice-president Adriano Galliani has revealed that the club are closing in on a deal for Roma forward Bojan Krkic.
by @SkySportsChrisB 2:25 PM

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11861/8027875/Milan-bidding-for-Bojan

[Globalgunner]

Never heard of a transfer where the price of the number of pairs of socks worn by the player has been factored into the fee

Never heard of a car being sold where the cost of a new set of tyres has not been factored in the price. Basically what you are saying is that he was sold at a loss, so we are in agreement.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

That has nothing to do with anything, he is not a 1st teamer. so it don't matter who we sold too no one would pay more then a million for him anyways.
Am pretty sure we will have first option to buy back and at a pre-set price, if he goes on somewhere else am sure there's the usual 25% sell-on clause etc etc...It's a shame as I really rated him, think we should have hung-on a bit longer - no harm in loaning him for another season - he just signed a new contract a year ago before his loan spell with west ham.
Anyways - onwards we march..Bendtner off soon I hope, followed by Chamakh(please), Park(please please) and Arshavin....Arshavin for Dempsey (PLEASE!)

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Am pretty sure we will have first option to buy back and at a pre-set price, if he goes on somewhere else am sure there's the usual 25% sell-on clause etc etc...It's a shame as I really rated him, think we should have hung-on a bit longer - no harm in loaning him for another season - he just signed a new contract a year ago before his loan spell with west ham.
Anyways - onwards we march..Bendtner off soon I hope, followed by Chamakh(please), Park(please please) and Arshavin....Arshavin for Dempsey (PLEASE!)

Same.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Sky Sports sources understand Inter Milan goalkeeper Julio Cesar has arrived at Loftus Road to hold talks over a move to Queens Park Rangers. We'll bring you more on this story shortly.
by @skysportsbucko 3:51 PM

Sky Sports sources understand Manchester City have been unable to agree a fee with Swansea City for Scott Sinclair.

[Marc Overmars]

AFCAMDEN ‏@AFCAMDEN

What I can tell you is Arsenal enquired about Cabaye a few months ago. Renewed interest? Remains to be seen

:lol:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:lol:

AFC CAMDEN :bow:

[GP]

Sky Sports sources understand Inter Milan goalkeeper Julio Cesar has arrived at Loftus Road to hold talks over a move to Queens Park Rangers. We'll bring you more on this story shortly.
by @skysportsbucko 3:51 PM

Oh my god!

He'll kill Kenny!

[GP]

Bye

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Oh my god!

He'll kill Kenny!

Not if Brutus stabs him in the back 1st

[kas]

Bendtner could be off to AC. :pray:

The media are reporting 5mill for him, he has to be better than Fletcher who Sunderland paid what 11-12 mill for ?

[I_Killed_Kenny]

Oh my god!

He'll kill Kenny!

I believe that has already been taken care of

[4-3-3]

cheekyv bid

http://www.marca.com/2012/08/28/en/football/barcelona/1346150827.html

[Bergkampwonderland10]

If Walcott refuses to sign, then I'd take Scott Sinclair. Followed him since his Chelsea days and his loan spells and he's developed very well - got more end product than Walcott too and to e fair, if Theo no longer wants to sign for us (and it doesn't look likely) then Sinclair is a good shout for me...
7million for Sinclair and 8 million for Demspey (or Arshavin plus 6million)

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

cheekyv bid

http://www.marca.com/2012/08/28/en/football/barcelona/1346150827.html

They may win things, but generally most players who leave us never replicate the form at Arsenal that puts them in the shop window

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

and i've just learned we have got rid of Henri Lansbury, whilst that's not a tremendous weight off our wage bill....it's good to see a lot of trimming and pruning alongside the soul destroying sales.

[4-3-3]

http://www.thefootballsocial.co.uk/newcastle_united/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
i dont know how reliable is this sorce.
i think we have submitted a bid for cabaye

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://www.thefootballsocial.co.uk/newcastle_united/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
i dont know how reliable is this sorce.
i think we have submitted a bid for cabaye

This sounds about as reliable as the sources behind the rumour about the death of Keenan from Keenan and Kel....god how i wish that'd been true

[V-Pig]

Twitter rumours - bye Theo.

:pray:

More dross off the books.

[4-3-3]

bye feo:rose:

go and get scott sinclair asap wenger

[gooners]

They may win things, but generally most players who leave us never replicate the form at Arsenal that puts them in the shop window

errm....cesc has been brilliant for barca. He was top notch last season and scored more goals than anyone in our team bar rvp (i thinK).

[4-3-3]

Twitter rumours - bye Theo.

:pray:

More dross off the books.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/

[gooners]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/

project youth :rose:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

errm....cesc has been brilliant for barca. He was top notch last season and scored more goals than anyone in our team bar rvp (i thinK).

what i heard is that whilst he scored a lot he didn't fit at all into their midfield set up and was played more behind the striker
And outscoring anyone in our team bar RVP isn't much of an achievement really.

[GP]

what i heard is that whilst he scored a lot he didn't fit at all into their midfield set up and was played more behind the striker
And outscoring anyone in our team bar RVP isn't much of an achievement really.

Cesc single handedly cost them the league title

[Olivier's xmas twist]

bye feo:rose:

go and get scott sinclair asap wenger

Or Navas.

[gooners]

what i heard is that whilst he scored a lot he didn't fit at all into their midfield set up and was played more behind the striker
And outscoring anyone in our team bar RVP isn't much of an achievement really.

well you heard ----- i actually watch all barca matches.

and if i am not msitaken he was the highest goal scoring mf for barca last season!

[Asthmatic Kitty]

disappointing if true.

as frustrating as he was last season i think it's important that we don't sell yet another first-teamer. we're looking really short on the wings if theo leaves - gervinho's looking awful, chamberlain's still inexperienced and i think cazorla's too important to the centre to play on the wing.

if this goes through, unless wenger pulls a wonder-buy out of the bag i think we're fucked.

[Ollie the Optimist]

right so theo has rejected a new contract according to the times. right kick him out the door, get someone in. fed up of all this crap coming from palyers, oh i love arsenal, im a gooner etc etc but only if they give me lots of money. kick the ****s out

[4-3-3]

what i heard is that whilst he scored a lot he didn't fit at all into their midfield set up and was played more behind the striker
And outscoring anyone in our team bar RVP isn't much of an achievement really.

there^^
he will never play behind the striker, because untoucheble(leonel messi) play there. so unless he is unjured, that is the waste of talent. and he is too slow in there midfield so no chance for him. really sad.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

right so theo has rejected a new contract according to the times. right kick him out the door, get someone in. fed up of all this crap coming from palyers, oh i love arsenal, im a gooner etc etc but only if they give me lots of money. kick the ****s out

Well no wait till its official and not some rumour. Why do you get so worked up over this Loyalty thing. No player loves the club they play for it and are happy but when something better comes along or they don't get what they want of course they will move.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Ollie, have you ever thought of thinking things through before you post?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

well you heard ----- i actually watch all barca matches.

and if i am not msitaken he was the highest goal scoring mf for barca last season!

You may watch barca but Iniesta and Xavi scored way more the Cesc last season

[gooners]

Ollie, have you ever thought of thinking things through before you post?

the bar just got raised Gwers! :ilt:

random postings :rose:

[gooners]

You may watch barca but Iniesta and Xavi scored way more the Cesc last season

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_FC_Barcelona_season#Player_Stats :beer:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_FC_Barcelona_season#Player_Stats :beer:

4 AM Fàbregas 38
6 CM Xavi 45
8 CM A. Iniesta 39

OK so not way more but they still scored more.

[gooners]

4 AM Fàbregas 38
6 CM Xavi 45
8 CM A. Iniesta 39

OK so not way more but they still scored more.

eh? do you realise you just posted their shirt numbers and number of games started?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

eh? do you realise you just posted their shirt numbers and number of games started?

Look again.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

fabregas scored one more than xavi and seven more than iniesta, my argument was never about his goalscoring but his midfield influence which was somewhat muted compared to what it had been at Arsenal.

[gooners]

is this the quality of debate on this board? ---jesus!

4 AM Fàbregas 38 (games started) 48(total apps) 15 (goals)
6 CM Xavi 45 51 14
8 CM A. Iniesta 39 46 8

[gooners]

fabregas scored one more than xavi and seven more than iniesta, my argument was never about his goalscoring but his midfield influence which was somewhat muted compared to what it had been at Arsenal.

my counter argument (as someone who watched the matches) is that there is no basis for that assertion.

his assists and goals based on the appearances made disprove that.

the fact that the barca's team does not rely on him solely or depend on him as much does not mean he wasn't effective. His stats actually point further to the contrary.

[Grebbo]

disappointing if true.

as frustrating as he was last season i think it's important that we don't sell yet another first-teamer. we're looking really short on the wings if theo leaves - gervinho's looking awful, chamberlain's still inexperienced and i think cazorla's too important to the centre to play on the wing.

if this goes through, unless wenger pulls a wonder-buy out of the bag i think we're fucked.

Pretty much.

My only thought is it seems unlikely we'll sell him this week. There's 3 days transfer window left so which top club will want him and how would we replace him in time?

Unlikely I think.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

is this the quality of debate on this board? ---jesus!

4 AM Fàbregas 38 (games started) 48(total apps) 15 (goals)
6 CM Xavi 45 51 14
8 CM A. Iniesta 39 46 8

Ok i was wrong i apologise, was Looking at GS obvioulsly the wrong section.

[Letters]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9504761/Arsenals-Theo-Walcott-sparks-interest-from-Manchester-City-and-Liverpool-after-rejecting-new-contract.html

Theo has contributed absolutely nothing so far this season (admittedly it's early doors) and he is maddeningly inconsistent. But if he goes I make that 3 first teamers out and 3 in, only one of whom has shone so far although I have hopes for the others.

:ilt:

This is sliding from a pretty decent summer to another massively frustrating one, another season of rebuilding.

:(

[Grebbo]

project British core :rose:

:lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cesc's season was much like his one for us in 07/08, great in the first half, not much there in the second. He became less and less of a starter as the season wore on - Pep citing him as being 'anarchic' mid-way through and criticising him fairly publically in the Valencia game for missing too many chances. They changed it to a 3-4-3 to try and accomodate him when he first came but it didn't really work how they would've liked.

He was absolutely anonymous against Osasuna this weekend more pertinently and I would be very surprised if he started tomorrow.

On Theo, at least there are only a few days until this crap is sorted.

[gooners]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9504761/Arsenals-Theo-Walcott-sparks-interest-from-Manchester-City-and-Liverpool-after-rejecting-new-contract.html

Theo has contributed absolutely nothing so far this season (admittedly it's early doors):(

neither has any afc (atatcking) player tbf

[gunnerrrrr]

fabregas scored one more than xavi and seven more than iniesta, my argument was never about his goalscoring but his midfield influence which was somewhat muted compared to what it had been at Arsenal.

even in his last few years his influence was waynig in midfield...this is not his fault but the fact he was being played as a number 10...

Cesc was best in the true CM role...who remebers the Barnabau against madrid in 2006....he ran the show...

He is an awsome footballer either way, and very versatile, but i still believe he would be best suited in the middle as his vision and short game can thrive in this role

[gunnerrrrr]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9504761/Arsenals-Theo-Walcott-sparks-interest-from-Manchester-City-and-Liverpool-after-rejecting-new-contract.html

Theo has contributed absolutely nothing so far this season (admittedly it's early doors) and he is maddeningly inconsistent. But if he goes I make that 3 first teamers out and 3 in, only one of whom has shone so far although I have hopes for the others.

:ilt:

This is sliding from a pretty decent summer to another massively frustrating one, another season of rebuilding.

:(

Surley Gadizas has to be sacked...the guy is a muppet, quite literally...this is some appalling upper level managment...only matched by Wengers tactics, or lack of and 70 mins subs

[Letters]

neither has any afc (atatcking) player tbf
True :(

Walcott's always been inconsistent though. His stats are actually pretty decent but they could be much better if he was more consistent. Frustrating player and IMO not worth the big payrise he was apparently offered. But someone out there will pay it and he knows it.

:(

[gooners]

Cesc's season was much like his one for us in 07/08, great in the first half, not much there in the second. He became less and less of a starter as the season wore on - Pep citing him as being 'anarchic' mid-way through and criticising him fairly publically in the Valencia game for missing too many chances. They changed it to a 3-4-3 to try and accomodate him when he first came but it didn't really work how they would've liked.

He was absolutely anonymous against Osasuna this weekend more pertinently and I would be very surprised if he started tomorrow.

On Theo, at least there are only a few days until this crap is sorted.

tbf barca play a completely different system to us.

Cesc is NOT a deep-lying playmaker ala xaxi contrary to popular belief. That is what barca want him to be when he is actually more similar to iniesta; hence his goal tally. He is a lot effective driving forward and i think it will take time --- barca are actually a very well oiled machine. And i did not expect cesc to actually perform as he did last season tbh

[McNamara That Ghost...]

tbf barca play a completely different system to us.

Cesc is NOT a deep-lying playmaker ala xaxi contrary to popular belief. That is what barca want him to be when he is actually more similar to iniesta; hence his goal tally. He is a lot effective driving forward and i think it will take time --- barca are actually a very well oiled machine. And i did not expect cesc to actually perform as he did last season tbh

And that was fine up until about December but after that, the effectiveness he had with Messi waned (Messi's effectiveness did not). When Guardiola needed to change his role slightly from what it was because of the goals they were conceding it was then that it slid towards where they're at with him now (even though it should be taking with a huge grain of salt as the article is by Marca). From then on he found himself on the bench more often.

It won't take time simply because he won't be given time, just like their patience is probably wearing thin with Sanchez. He'll have a role to play but it's mainly going to be from the bench in bigger games - he started against Osasuna but it wasn't until Cesc went off they started to click again.

[Xhaka Can’t]

True :(

Walcott's always been inconsistent though. His stats are actually pretty decent but they could be much better if he was more consistent. Frustrating player and IMO not worth the big payrise he was apparently offered. But someone out there will pay it and he knows it.

:(

They are welcome to him if they do.

His performances haven't merited his existing contract value nevermind an enhanced one.

[gooners]

And that was fine up until about December but after that, the effectiveness he had with Messi waned (Messi's effectiveness did not). When Guardiola needed to change his role slightly from what it was because of the goals they were conceding it was then that it slid towards where they're at with him now (even though it should be taking with a huge grain of salt as the article is by Marca). From then on he found himself on the bench more often.

It won't take time simply because he won't be given time, just like their patience is probably wearing thin with Sanchez. He'll have a role to play but it's mainly going to be from the bench in bigger games - he started against Osasuna but it wasn't until Cesc went off they started to click again.

He is likely to succeed xavi --- so i think he will grow into that role. He is the best replacement they could ever find in this era. It is a key area that i don't think any barca player can fill adequately bar cesc.

As xavi's influence wanes, cesc will grow into that role. I think of all barca's players, he is considered key to their post-xavi era (messi already is key).

[gooners]

They are welcome to him if they do.

His performances haven't merited his existing contract value nevermind an enhanced one.

perhaps he's realized he's never going to be a striker at afc? :haha:

[Power n Glory]

True :(

Walcott's always been inconsistent though. His stats are actually pretty decent but they could be much better if he was more consistent. Frustrating player and IMO not worth the big payrise he was apparently offered. But someone out there will pay it and he knows it.

:(

We haven't had consistent performer on the flanks since Pires. All of our wide players struggle with form and it goes back to Reyes, Eboue, Hleb, Nasri, Gervinho...they all have anonymous games and all of them are technically better than Theo but fail to deliver.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He is likely to succeed xavi --- so i think he will grow into that role. He is the best replacement they could ever find in this era. It is a key area that i don't think any barca player can fill adequately bar cesc.

As xavi's influence wanes, cesc will grow into that role. I think of all barca's players, he is considered key to their post-xavi era (messi already is key).

I don't think he will, I think if it's going to be anyone, it will be Thiago and that's assuming Iniesta wouldn't permanently be moved in to the centre. Cesc's role will be second striker for some time I think - plus when will Xavi's influence wane? I mean, he does have a chronic problem with his ankle but players of that type can go on until they're at least 35.

He should just suck it up and go back to a league where he technically outshines most of those in it tbf.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

100k a week can be spent much better than theo walcott. After 6 years at this club i expected him to turn into a world beater but he's nowhere near that. Get rid.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Pretty much.

My only thought is it seems unlikely we'll sell him this week. There's 3 days transfer window left so which top club will want him and how would we replace him in time?

Unlikely I think.

If its true he is wants out then im sure the lcub has started negoations to sell and he could be gone by friday.


Surley Gadizas has to be sacked...the guy is a muppet, quite literally...this is some appalling upper level managment...only matched by Wengers tactics, or lack of and 70 mins subs

Not a big fan of his but why should he be sacked, Why should theo be given a new 100k contract and he has not performed to get it.

[gooners]

Edit: reply to Maccy's last post:

:lol:

Tbh none of barca's recent acquisitions have slotted in seamlessly --- even villa ( i prefer it when pedro plays tbh). And i am not sure what use there is for tello tbh -- he is actually an academy player. But that is because barca is a well oiled machine as I said earlier.

Not sure what tito's plan is, but whatever system he settles on, I am sure cesc will feature immensely. Cesc might end up permanently playing behind messi as you say --- and that will be scary if tito gets the balance of the team right.

[Power n Glory]

100k a week can be spent much better than theo walcott. After 6 years at this club i expected him to turn into a world beater but he's nowhere near that. Get rid.

Does it even matter what he earns, especially when we know we're unlikely to spend £20m on a new winger and plus £100k on wages. We're going to be in for a very slow season because we've gotten rid of our of our top scorers and providers in one window. Also, the message it sends out is just horrible. If we sell on Friday, we better bring in some real quality players because we're looking like a joke.

[Özim]

I'm honestly not too bothered if Theo leaves, he's had long enough to make himself a first team regular and to prove he has what it takes. What does bother me is how we get ourselves into these situations every summer, it looked like it was going to be different this year but after signing three we've slowly been selling off our first teamers, why haven't we signed a couple more, it just seems it's not a big deal to the management or club...if Wenger wants to build a team maybe he should make sure we're adequately covered after selling 1st teamers.

There hasn't been any proper planning at this club since we moved to the new stadium, we let our top players go without a club who is going to take their place.

Wenger said it last summer to be honest when he said if we lose Cesc and Nasri we can't be considered a big club and he's right, everyone wants to jump ship these days, this is hurting the reputation of this club and our status in world football, as some have said in reality we're nothing but a feeder club and we don't really seem bothered about it.

[gooners]

I'm honestly not too bothered if Theo leaves, he's had long enough to make himself a first team regular and to prove he has what it takes. What does bother me is how we get ourselves into these situations every summer, it looked like it was going to be different this year but after signing three we've slowly been selling off our first teamers, why haven't we signed a couple more, it just seems it's not a big deal to the management or club...if Wenger wants to build a team maybe he should make sure we're adequately covered after selling 1st teamers.

when you offer youngsters big contracts, you are forced to wait longer to renew their contracts because otherwise they will soon be approaching the upper limit of the wage structure.

the choice then is to flog them off or bite the bullet and give them the big boys contracts. We know afc's choice especially since most of these youngsters don't turn out to be the uber worldbeaters we thought they'll be.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

100k a week can be spent much better than theo walcott. After 6 years at this club i expected him to turn into a world beater but he's nowhere near that. Get rid.

Spot on tbh


I'm honestly not too bothered if Theo leaves, he's had long enough to make himself a first team regular and to prove he has what it takes. What does bother me is how we get ourselves into these situations every summer, it looked like it was going to be different this year but after signing three we've slowly been selling off our first teamers, why haven't we signed a couple more, it just seems it's not a big deal to the management or club...if Wenger wants to build a team maybe he should make sure we're adequately covered after selling 1st teamers.

There hasn't been any proper planning at this club since we moved to the new stadium, we let our top players go without a club who is going to take their place.

Wenger said it last summer to be honest when he said if we lose Cesc and Nasri we can't be considered a big club and he's right, everyone wants to jump ship these days, this is hurting the reputation of this club and our status in world football, as some have said in reality we're nothing but a feeder club and we don't really seem bothered about it.

No but thats was project youth was to bring the youth through while we was paying off the stadium. Which is fine if you mix and match Youth with exprience which we have failed to do.

Like you say how do we get ourselves in to this situation every summer, well i think you should ask Mr Gazidas that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

when you offer youngsters big contracts, you are forced to wait longer to renew their contracts because otherwise they will soon be approaching the upper limit of the wage structure.

the choice then is to flog them off or bite the bullet and give them the big boys contracts. We know afc's choice especially since most of these youngsters don't turn out to be the uber worldbeaters we thought they'll be.

This. Not to add when you do try to flogg them and to lesser teams most won't want to take the pay cut so we have a problem created by?

[Marc Overmars]

So now Walnutt has rejected a contract? What the fuck is this?

****

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Does it even matter what he earns, especially when we know we're unlikely to spend £20m on a new winger and plus £100k on wages. We're going to be in for a very slow season because we've gotten rid of our of our top scorers and providers in one window. Also, the message it sends out is just horrible. If we sell on Friday, we better bring in some real quality players because we're looking like a joke.

yes what he earns does matter because we're on a self-sustainable model and our wage structure is on its knees at the moment. so what theo earns is of huge significance to our model and club in general, especially as we have the likes of chamakh, squillaci, bendtner, fabianski, park and arshavin still on our pay roll. most of them are unlikely to be shifted before the end of the transfer window so if it's a choice of a) giving theo 100k a week contract or b) selling theo for 15m and buying a quality consistent winger for 100k a week, then i suggest we do the latter.

we've won nothing with the current crop of shite so getting rid is hardly going to affect us trophy wise. however, i do agree with you that the message it sends out is embarrassing. nevertheless we've already seen rvp - our most prized asset - go to our bitter rivals so at this moment in time i couldnt care less about selling little theo walcott. nothing amazes me anymore with this football club and im past the point of caring so he can fuck off like the rest of them. we really are a shambles. what an absolute embarrassment it is to support this club right now in its current predicament.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

So now Walnutt has rejected a contract? What the fuck is this?

****
No he has not well not Officially some rummor on twitter and someone from the times says so.

[Marc Overmars]

I'm waiting for his update for the fans.

Time for Navas tbf.

[gooners]

I'm waiting for his update for the fans.

Time for Navas tbf.

nah; according to wenger he will find his way much quicker to manchester than british-born wilshere and chamberlain.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Is it too early for us to cash in on Carzola?

[Power n Glory]

when you offer youngsters big contracts, you are forced to wait longer to renew their contracts because otherwise they will soon be approaching the upper limit of the wage structure.

the choice then is to flog them off or bite the bullet and give them the big boys contracts. We know afc's choice especially since most of these youngsters don't turn out to be the uber worldbeaters we thought they'll be.

It's a ridculous situation and unsustainable. It's as if this wasn't thought through properly. Theo is a classic example. He's reached the top end of the wage structure quickly because the club have been too eager to dish out big wages when he was a teen. Jack, Ox and Ramsey will soon face the same problem if they stay long enough. Aren't Jack and Ramsey already on $50k a week?

It's a silly situation and this wage structure needs reviewing.
a)We can't move on underperforming players because nobody will pay their wages.
b) The young players that actually stay long enough will soon find they're at the top end of the wage structure before they're mid 20s.
c) We won't break our wage structure and we'll end up losing key players including the kids we've spent nurturing for years.

We can't keep this structure in place because we end up losing out all the time. It's flawed,

[gooners]

Is it too early for us to cash in on Carzola?

nah; he has already said "it is improtant we replace important players like rvp and song".

he wants out tbf --- already asking for signings. No need to wait till next summer

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Is it too early for us to cash in on Carzola?

i had a feeling cazorla was theo's replacement

i think i may be right

[Olivier's xmas twist]

And that was fine up until about December but after that, the effectiveness he had with Messi waned (Messi's effectiveness did not). When Guardiola needed to change his role slightly from what it was because of the goals they were conceding it was then that it slid towards where they're at with him now (even though it should be taking with a huge grain of salt as the article is by Marca). From then on he found himself on the bench more often.

It won't take time simply because he won't be given time, just like their patience is probably wearing thin with Sanchez. He'll have a role to play but it's mainly going to be from the bench in bigger games - he started against Osasuna but it wasn't until Cesc went off they started to click again.

Prefer Rikjards Barca to this one tbh, loved the way they played.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

i had a feeling cazorla was theo's replacement

i think i may be right

Why not play him in the theo role then?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Milan sign Niang.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Prefer Rikjards Barca to this one tbh, loved the way they played.

I prefer this team, greater clutch of players I enjoy watching.

[Power n Glory]

yes what he earns does matter because we're on a self-sustainable model and our wage structure is on its knees at the moment. so what theo earns is of huge significance to our model and club in general, especially as we have the likes of chamakh, squillaci, bendtner, fabianski, park and arshavin still on our pay roll. most of them are unlikely to be shifted before the end of the transfer window so if it's a choice of a) giving theo 100k a week contract or b) selling theo for 15m and buying a quality consistent winger for 100k a week, then i suggest we do the latter.

we've won nothing with the current crop of shite so getting rid is hardly going to affect us trophy wise. however, i do agree with you that the message it sends out is embarrassing. nevertheless we've already seen rvp - our most prized asset - go to our bitter rivals so at this moment in time i couldnt care less about selling little theo walcott. nothing amazes me anymore with this football club and im past the point of caring so he can fuck off like the rest of them. we really are a shambles. what an absolute embarrassment it is to support this club right now in its current predicament.

That argument about this current crop winning nothing gets washed and rinsed all the time and it's unlikey that we'll use the money from Theo's sale to go on another winger. £15m won't buy us a class winger that can demand £100k a week. IF we buy, we'll probably give them £60k - £70k a week. Also, I'm still looking to the club to spend the money earned from the RVP and Song sales, let's not forget about that money. The model we have is unsuistainable and short sighted. I've explained that already in another post.

It really is embarssing and you have to wonder how it makes the current crop feel about the club they play for. We've already heard Cazorla speak. If we don't spend and replace these players, we're starting off on a losing foot and sour note and that's how the rot starts. Mentally, the sqaud won't be all there for the start of the season and there will be doubts. It doesn't send the right message to the players when we act like this and it's an uphill battle. We'll find ourselves in the same position next summer if we're not careful.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Why not play him in the theo role then?

because up to now we've not needed to. we've had theo there so cazorla stayed in the middle to cover for song's loss of creativity.

wenger said we're in the market for another midfielder so maybe we're going for a creative CM (similar to sahin?) and shifting cazorla out wide to replace theo? that covers both song's loss and the loss of theo.

i dunno man i cant be arsed to double guess wenger. this transfer window has done my head in.

[gunnerrrrr]

nah; according to wenger he will find his way much quicker to manchester than british-born wilshere and chamberlain.

or Walcott...lolz!!

[Newguy]

yes what he earns does matter because we're on a self-sustainable model and our wage structure is on its knees at the moment. so what theo earns is of huge significance to our model and club in general, especially as we have the likes of chamakh, squillaci, bendtner, fabianski, park and arshavin still on our pay roll. most of them are unlikely to be shifted before the end of the transfer window so if it's a choice of a) giving theo 100k a week contract or b) selling theo for 15m and buying a quality consistent winger for 100k a week, then i suggest we do the latter.

we've won nothing with the current crop of shite so getting rid is hardly going to affect us trophy wise. however, i do agree with you that the message it sends out is embarrassing. nevertheless we've already seen rvp - our most prized asset - go to our bitter rivals so at this moment in time i couldnt care less about selling little theo walcott. nothing amazes me anymore with this football club and im past the point of caring so he can fuck off like the rest of them. we really are a shambles. what an absolute embarrassment it is to support this club right now in its current predicament.

I gotta agree, it's slightly embarrassing that players want to leave, but as you said we didnt win anything with them anyway, what are we really losing out on with Theo going???? I had a feeling that Theo was a goner once I read the article from wenger talking about the british base he wanted to build on...he mentioned gibbs, ramsey, wilshere, jenkinson and the OX, but no Theo...which is strange as you would think that Theo would have been the first name mentioned had wenger been keen to keep him.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

That argument about this current crop winning nothing gets washed and rinsed all the time and it's unlikey that we'll use the money from Theo's sale to go on another winger. £15m won't buy us a class winger that can demand £100k a week. IF we buy, we'll probably give them £60k - £70k a week. Also, I'm still looking to the club to spend the money earned from the RVP and Song sales, let's not forget about that money. The model we have is unsuistainable and short sighted. I've explained that already in another post.

It really is embarssing and you have to wonder how it makes the current crop feel about the club they play for. We've already heard Cazorla speak. If we don't spend and replace these players, we're starting off on a losing foot and sour note and that's how the rot starts. Mentally, the sqaud won't be all there for the start of the season and there will be doubts. It doesn't send the right message to the players when we act like this and it's an uphill battle. We'll find ourselves in the same position next summer if we're not careful.

the underlying issue seems to be whether we'll spend to replace theo. if we spend the money on a top winger to replace theo then we'll be fine and we may even feel positive about him leaving. i dont think anyone would have any qualms if navas, menez or gotze came in but if we don't replace him we're fucked. i do think you could get a top class winger for 15m-17m, i mean we got cazorla for monopoly money and we've seen the likes of fergie make excellent signings for relatively cheap money- wasnt vidic 8m? i know its a different position entirely but it goes to show that there are players out there who can come in and set the ball rolling for a reasonable fee.

whatever happens wenger needs to buck up his ideas as there's only a few days left in the window. hopefully once this current batch of crap are out the door the new squad will be a little more committed and maybe the board will learn from the 2006-2012 squad by offering contracts in due course. if theo leaves it really does end the spell of the youth project and there's only 4 words i can use to describe that; thank fuck for that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

we've won nothing with the current crop of shite so getting rid is hardly going to affect us trophy wise. .

This. All the people that have left us cause we have not won anything have all contributed to that but like to go on like they had nothing to do with that.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Selling Walcott now? http://www.staffordforum.com/xf/styles/img/smilies/facepalm_picard.png

What do we do then? Salomon Kalou on loan?

Seems very unlikely before the window shuts. 75k a week. Sort your fucking head out Theo. We wouldn't pay Usain Bolt 100k.

[Kyle?]

Selling Walcott now? http://www.staffordforum.com/xf/styles/img/smilies/facepalm_picard.png

What do we do then? Salomon Kalou on loan?

Seems very unlikely before the window shuts. 75k a week. Sort your fucking head out Theo. We wouldn't pay Usain Bolt 100k.

Hasn't Kalou gone to Lille?

[Dennis Bendtner]

Hasn't Kalou gone to Lille?

Probably. It was the first doomsday name that came to mind in line with panic-signing Benayoun last year.

[fari]

Hasn't Kalou gone to Lille?

yes he has...hm walcott gone/going...strange. i wonder if we'll see some deadline day surprises this year again.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Spurs reportedly close to signing Moussa Dembele for £15m. Silky bastard.

[fari]

Spurs reportedly close to signing Moussa Dembele for £15m. Silky bastard.

good player...wonder why he made a lateral move though

[selassie]

What surprises me about Theo is that Arsenal is pretty much the best club he can be at in PL if he wants first team football. He would get nowhere near City's starting line up, he'd be Adam Johnson Mark II. He may do well for Liverpool but they aren't going to do anything special over the next few years, maybe Top 4 that is it.

I'm not sure what's going on at the club but it's actually fairly disturbing that all the first team players want out. What's going on? Seriously?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Selling Walcott now? http://www.staffordforum.com/xf/styles/img/smilies/facepalm_picard.png

What do we do then? Salomon Kalou on loan?

Seems very unlikely before the window shuts. 75k a week. Sort your fucking head out Theo. We wouldn't pay Usain Bolt 100k.

:gp:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

What surprises me about Theo is that Arsenal is pretty much the best club he can be at in PL if he wants first team football. He would get nowhere near City's starting line up, he'd be Adam Johnson Mark II. He may do well for Liverpool but they aren't going to do anything special over the next few years, maybe Top 4 that is it.

I'm not sure what's going on at the club but it's actually fairly disturbing that all the first team players want out. What's going on? Seriously?

He'd only go to Pool in this country, with Chavs getting Moses don't need him, Utd don't Spurs don't so it can only be Pool unless he goes abroad. So really he more or less will stay.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Spurs reportedly close to signing Moussa Dembele for £15m. Silky bastard.

So they won't be going for mvilla then.

[Ralpheroo72]

Carzolas body language already suggests that he may have made a mistake signing for us. We will kill him, just as we have killed Wilshire.

[selassie]

He'd only go to Pool in this country, with Chavs getting Moses don't need him, Utd don't Spurs don't so it can only be Pool unless he goes abroad. So really he more or less will stay.

My feelings too but I get the impression he may go to City, they are stalling on the Sinclair deal.

This summer is turning out just as bad as last summer, I mean name me another PL club that has lost 5 first important team players in 2 seasons? It's a complete and utter farce.

Edited to add: We've now left it too late in the Window to credibly replace any of our departing first teamers, we could do if we spend...but we all know we don't spend...we're above that. :rolleyes:

[Cripps_orig]

Just got back.

Whats been happening?

[Cripps_orig]

Carzolas body language already suggests that he may have made a mistake signing for us. We will kill him, just as we have killed Wilshire.

I have actually noticed his body language as well.

It doesnt look good

Hes off next summer

[fari]

Carzolas body language already suggests that he may have made a mistake signing for us. We will kill him, just as we have killed Wilshire.

i wouldn't read too much into it...he seemed disappointed a few times when he messed up but he was back it soon enough. besides...where will he go? back to malaga? lol

[Cripps_orig]

Where did all this Theo going shit start from?

I cant find it anywhere on BBC, Sky Sports and most Importantly Goal.com

[Power n Glory]

What surprises me about Theo is that Arsenal is pretty much the best club he can be at in PL if he wants first team football. He would get nowhere near City's starting line up, he'd be Adam Johnson Mark II. He may do well for Liverpool but they aren't going to do anything special over the next few years, maybe Top 4 that is it.

I'm not sure what's going on at the club but it's actually fairly disturbing that all the first team players want out. What's going on? Seriously?

But it hasn't been good for his development. Wenger is supposed to be developing him into a striker like how he'd done with Henry. But it's backwards. Henry started his career as a winger playing down the left wing. He was able to cut on on his stronger foot and score more goals that way. Theo started his career as a striker and is playing as a right winger so he can go back to playing as a striker? It really hasn't helped his game. Most goal scoring wingers get played on the flank do they can cut in on their stronger foot, so what is Theo doing out on the right? If leaves, he needs to a coach that knows what he's doing and that will develop him as a striker or at least a winger that plays down the left. He's wasted a lot of time with Wenger. Hasn't done bad considering but it's not helping his development.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Spurs have agreed a fee for Dembele and he's due for a medical tomorrow.

Took them 48 hours to replace modric.

What the fuck is taking us so long?

Also, we've offered Walcott £75k a week.

He ain't worth that, and if he wants more he can fuck off as well.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Also, numerous rumours are that we are trying to do a deal for Dempsey.

[jelgoon]

Come on. Wilshire got injured. Why should Carzola. Your post doesnt make any sense at all


Carzolas body language already suggests that he may have made a mistake signing for us. We will kill him, just as we have killed Wilshire.

[Kyle?]

Also, numerous rumours are that we are trying to do a deal for Dempsey.

I thought Liverpool and Sunderland were the frontrunners.

I'm not exactly sure how he would fit our system either.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I thought Liverpool and Sunderland were the frontrunners.

I'm not exactly sure how he would fit our system either.They could well be mate.

The only thing is, he wants CL football before he retires. Pool would be his only real option if they get back in to the top 4 and we don't sign him. I can't see him going to Sunderland.

I don't believe half the tripe that gets posted on the net, but apparently we are sniffing around him.

Some also say that we're gonna do a swap deal with citeh, Walcott for Dzeko.

That just leaves a midfielder and defender then.

[jelgoon]

I agree about Walcott. He's nothing special. A super-sub thats all. Why should he get nearly £4miillion a year in a recession. Fucking hate these greedy ****s. When he plays 90 minutes hes often anonymous. Whats worrying is that if he does leave as seems likely we are going to be portrayed in the media as a club in a state of collapse.

Spurs have agreed a fee for Dembele and he's due for a medical tomorrow.

Took them 48 hours to replace modric.

What the fuck is taking us so long?

Also, we've offered Walcott £75k a week.

He ain't worth that, and if he wants more he can fuck off as well.

[V-Pig]

Agree re last.

Walcott very average. He's got as much talent as Arshavin has commitment.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I agree about Walcott. He's nothing special. A super-sub thats all. Why should he get nearly £4miillion a year in a recession. Fucking hate these greedy ****s. When he plays 90 minutes hes often anonymous. Whats worrying is that if he does leave as seems likely we are going to be portrayed in the media as a club in a state of collapse.

I'm not really bothered about what the mediots think anymore tbh. They're all as thick as pigshit.

We hear the same thing every summer, weve been the most likely club to drop out of the top 4 for about 4 years now, and it's still never happened.

Thing with theo is he is consistently average. If he didn't have his pace he wouldnt have anything special about him. He's had plenty of game time since he's been here and he really hasn't improved much from his first season.

I know there are issues as to his playing position etc, but great players adapt and force their way into greatness by stepping up when they need to. Walcott just doesn't do that. In the last few seasons there has rarely been a time when he's won us a game or done something to drag us out of the shit. It's mostly been +1's or similar.

Personally I think him not snapping up a new £75k is more to do with rvp leaving, but if he wants more money he's having a fucking laugh.

[Cripps_orig]

So if Theo goes, thats RVP and Theo, our biggest goal threats from last season gone

Theos whose talent is not in doubt has been very good for us. Will be missed

Whether he gets **** status or a pat on the back for a well done and cant blame him for leaving ala Nasri, Ade etc depends on who he joins

[KSE Comedy Club]

Rumours now are that we've offered 21m euros, rising to 24m for yohan cabaye :haha:

Even if it were true that would be a seriously retarded move, we could get much better for that kind of money.

[Cripps_orig]

Cabayes good but hes not that good

[KSE Comedy Club]

Exactly.

[Cripps_orig]

If Newcastle do get that for him from any club then we need to get Mike Ashley and co in for next summer when we sell our 2 star players from this season.

£35m for shite like Carroll and £20m+ for decent shite like Cabaye is awesome

[Kyle?]

Rumours now are that we've offered 21m euros, rising to 24m for yohan cabaye :haha:

Even if it were true that would be a seriously retarded move, we could get much better for that kind of money.

21 million euros is about 15 million in real money i believe.

[Ralpheroo72]

My point being, we played Wilshire in far too many games due to a lack of alternatives. We will now over-use Carzola because we will not be sufficiently replacing those who have left.


Come on. Wilshire got injured. Why should Carzola. Your post doesnt make any sense at all

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm honestly not too bothered if Theo leaves, he's had long enough to make himself a first team regular and to prove he has what it takes. What does bother me is how we get ourselves into these situations every summer, it looked like it was going to be different this year but after signing three we've slowly been selling off our first teamers, why haven't we signed a couple more, it just seems it's not a big deal to the management or club...if Wenger wants to build a team maybe he should make sure we're adequately covered after selling 1st teamers.

There hasn't been any proper planning at this club since we moved to the new stadium, we let our top players go without a club who is going to take their place.

Wenger said it last summer to be honest when he said if we lose Cesc and Nasri we can't be considered a big club and he's right, everyone wants to jump ship these days, this is hurting the reputation of this club and our status in world football, as some have said in reality we're nothing but a feeder club and we don't really seem bothered about it.

Perhaps we don't "let" ourselves get into these situations, perhaps it is policy. Whatever, it always works out well for the greediest parties, the ****ish board and the ****ish players. The shower of maggots letting the club down, week after week, year after year. Walcott is a good buy, sensible lad, feet on the ground. Eh no - he's a ****, like the rest of them. Greedy greedy ****, 100K a week FFS - for a **** who can scarcely kick a ball. Apparently the ****s in the England team are on that money so Walnut deserves the same. That would be the bunch of ****s who haven't even sniffed glory since 1966 I suppose? In anything - even respectable behaviour. Just put them all on a cruise liner, torpedo it and machine gun the life rafts. Then start again with a bunch of kids who love the game, and ride it out and enjoy it for a few years before they turn into ****s too. Walcott, 100K. You have to laugh, it's just so brash, brazen, outrageous.

[Niall_Quinn]

No he has not well not Officially some rummor on twitter and someone from the times says so.

Point is, he hasn't honoured his existing contract yet and he's sniffing around for more cash without doing a single fucking thing to warrant it. He should be snapping that contract up and thanking his lucky stars he made it (as in got a big contract without having to perform) in the game because I'm bloody well sure plenty a lot better than him didn't. He's a **** for not following Wenger around with a pen. Walcott rejects £3.5 mill a year, it's insane.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is it too early for us to cash in on Carzola?

Yes - you need to leave at least 6 weeks so the "we had no choice" argument can gather steam.

[Kyle?]

Yes - you need to leave at least 6 weeks so the "we had no choice" argument can gather steam.

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Whats worrying is that if he does leave as seems likely we are going to be portrayed in the media as a club in a state of collapse.

Why would the media suddenly resort to the truth?

[Kyle?]

Why would the media suddenly resort to the truth?

We're not collapsing, it's not as if we've employed some portuguese failure as our manager.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

They are welcome to him if they do.

His performances haven't merited his existing contract value nevermind an enhanced one.

I agree with this. People keep going on about Walcott's numbers last year to justify his worth and although better than bar RVP I do not believe it allows him to hold his breath till we cave in and give him a six figure pay rise!

The guys is an attacker, it's is fecking job it to score and provide assists and I think he just about met his job description last year.......I say just about because he was equally as frustrating with the number of headless runs he went, crosses he fluffed etc

I say if he doesn't take what we offer......first teamer of not than the door is thataway......

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Cabayes good but hes not that good

Yup.....I'm a little worried about this one.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Also, numerous rumours are that we are trying to do a deal for Dempsey.

It would be typical for us to go for the cheap option and Spurs to spunk their money!

Dempsey is decent and I have said before that I would like to see him but we seem to be playing Carzorla behind the striker and I wonder where he fits in......good to have come off the bench I suppose!?

[Gooner23]

It would be typical for us to go for the cheap option and Spurs to spunk their money!

Dempsey is decent and I have said before that I would like to see him but we seem to be playing Carzorla behind the striker and I wonder where he fits in......good to have come off the bench I suppose!?

I'd rather Dempsey over Dembele as we need more goals in the team. Dembele is awesome technically but just not productive enough. You could play Cazorla as the creative wide player that Wenger loves, with Dempsey off the striker.

[fakeyank]

FFS Arsene did good business and then now we are without Theo, RVP and Song.. fucking nice! I just hope Gazidis, AW and every mother fucker just fucking dies! C*nts! Sick of this shit!

[4-3-3]

I'd rather Dempsey over Dembele as we need more goals in the team. Dembele is awesome technically but just not productive enough. You could play Cazorla as the creative wide player that Wenger loves, with Dempsey off the striker.

cazorla --------------------------ox/poldi

---------------dempsey------------

--------------giroud----------------

tere are plenty of goals, cazorla, ox and demsey can interchange places without ay problem. and we still have rosicky, jack and ramsey to come on.

cn/rb - yanga mbiwa - 7m
a winger if walcott go -scott sinclair wil do the job i dont think he will need time to adapt - 6m
a foward or second striker- dempsey will be fine - 7m

a dm is there is more money for that. we have coq/frimpong can play the too. or go for capou he is beast for 8m

[The Ogg Monster]

if Walcott goes this window would have gone from one of the best to one of the worst in record time. And theres still time for us to sell Vermaelen if we're quick.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

So if Theo goes, thats RVP and Theo, our biggest goal threats from last season gone

Theos whose talent is not in doubt has been very good for us. Will be missed

Whether he gets **** status or a pat on the back for a well done and cant blame him for leaving ala Nasri, Ade etc depends on who he joins

Don't remember Theo bagging too many goals last season to be fair...and his assist rate was only so high because Van Persie hit a purple patch. In fact has Walcott ever got more than 9 goals in one season? I am a fan of his (on his day especially) but it's pretty unforgivable the way he and his agents (his dad) have behaved after everything we've done for him...like Song, and Hleb he's perhaps been given the most leeway by Wenger of any player in the top half of the premiership. He wants out simple. No pat on the back for that I'm afraid - doesn't matter where he goes. 75k-80k is more than fair when you consider Arteta took a pay cut to play for us last season from 80-70K and I'm pretty sure Arteta was the slightly more important player. I reckon Theo is about to hit a peak...a bit like Aaron Lennon did for Spurs that season...he was pretty dismal at Leeds and then suddenly hit 24/25yrs old and became consistently good. 12million is what we paid Southhampton for him so anything less than 18million would be a disastrous sale imo. But looks like yet again we have no choice. Sign Sinclair, Navas, Dempsey, Tiote and we'll have an improved team imo.

[GP]

I don't think he wants out, I just think he wants more money.

He's said he's happy here, but no doubt his England colleagues all brag about how much they earn.

I'd like him to stay, but won't be upset if he's sold.

[Edinburgh Gooner]

just been reading on the daily mail site that we will accept 12 million quid for wallnut and fast track gnarby (who?) to the first team.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

I don't think he wants out, I just think he wants more money.

He's said he's happy here, but no doubt his England colleagues all brag about how much they earn.

I'd like him to stay, but won't be upset if he's sold.

Nope, this time, it's definitely the case of a player wanting out. He was always gonna be tied to Van Persie's situation and he even admitted he'd wait to see if we got CL football before having talks about renewing. We could offer him 100k and he still wouldn't sign...am confident of that...and we'll hear the same rhetoric over and over...just like Song...oh I desperately wanted to sign a new contract but they were too busy to sit down with me...even though I still had 3 years remaining. It's all bullshit from bullshit lawyers/agents. Same with Walcott. I only wish Wenger would stop defending the players and just say it like it is. If you want to play for us you sign...if you don;t, you don't. Again I will allude to Arteta...he took a pay-cut!!!!!

[GP]

Nope, this time, it's definitely the case of a player wanting out. He was always gonna be tied to Van Persie's situation and he even admitted he'd wait to see if we got CL football before having talks about renewing. We could offer him 100k and he still wouldn't sign...am confident of that...and we'll hear the same rhetoric over and over...just like Song...oh I desperately wanted to sign a new contract but they were too busy to sit down with me...even though I still had 3 years remaining. It's all bullshit from bullshit lawyers/agents. Same with Walcott. I only wish Wenger would stop defending the players and just say it like it is. If you want to play for us you sign...if you don;t, you don't. Again I will allude to Arteta...he took a pay-cut!!!!!

No.

[Power n Glory]

Don't remember Theo bagging too many goals last season to be fair...and his assist rate was only so high because Van Persie hit a purple patch. In fact has Walcott ever got more than 9 goals in one season? I am a fan of his (on his day especially) but it's pretty unforgivable the way he and his agents (his dad) have behaved after everything we've done for him...like Song, and Hleb he's perhaps been given the most leeway by Wenger of any player in the top half of the premiership. He wants out simple. No pat on the back for that I'm afraid - doesn't matter where he goes. 75k-80k is more than fair when you consider Arteta took a pay cut to play for us last season from 80-70K and I'm pretty sure Arteta was the slightly more important player. I reckon Theo is about to hit a peak...a bit like Aaron Lennon did for Spurs that season...he was pretty dismal at Leeds and then suddenly hit 24/25yrs old and became consistently good. 12million is what we paid Southhampton for him so anything less than 18million would be a disastrous sale imo. But looks like yet again we have no choice. Sign Sinclair, Navas, Dempsey, Tiote and we'll have an improved team imo.

Yeah he has scored more than 9 in one season. 11 last year and 13 the year before that. Compare his goal tally to all of our wingers past and present post Pires and Ljungberg era. Reyes, Hleb, Rosicky, Eboue, Nasri, Arshavin, Gervinho....check out their numbers in comparison.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

No.
Yes

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Yeah he has scored more than 9 in one season. 11 last year and 13 the year before that. Compare his goal tally to all of our wingers past and present post Pires and Ljungberg era. Reyes, Hleb, Rosicky, Eboue, Nasri, Arshavin, Gervinho....check out their numbers in comparison.
Please show me the stats for when he scored 13 goals in 2010????

[GP]

Theo tried to sign the contract but then the usual happened...

https://p.twimg.com/A1aQc32CYAAF5bw.jpg

[Power n Glory]

Please show me the stats for when he scored 13 goals in 2010????

http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/first-team-stats?season=2010-2011

It's right there on the official website.

[LDG]

just been reading on the daily mail site that we will accept 12 million quid for wallnut and fast track gnarby (who?) to the first team.

Gnabry.

Utter beast.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/first-team-stats?season=2010-2011

It's right there on the official website.

While you're at it, look up our post Invincible era wingers and see if anyone of them can put those numbers to shame.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/first-team-stats?season=2010-2011

It's right there on the official website.

Fair enough..I was only talking about scoring in the premiership...for that he's not gone beyond 9 in a season yet...and he really should soon.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

While you're at it, look up our post Invincible era wingers and see if anyone of them can put those numbers to shame.

Wouldn't be too hard to 'put Walcotts' numbers to shame' to be fair....but post invincibles Wenger's signings def haven;t been as good. Have no doubt AOC will put that right though.

[Power n Glory]

Fair enough..I was only talking about scoring in the premiership...for that he's not gone beyond 9 in a season yet...and he really should soon.

Again, look up our post Invincible era wingers and see if any have managed to put Theo's numbers to shame. We haven't had wingers that bang in goals for fun since Pires and Freddie.

[I_Killed_Kenny]

Gnabry - is he german? are we trying to enforce a winning german mentality into our fragile minded team! good thing if so!

tbh if theo is to go i would rather we went after Ben Arfa than sinclair. think he can become a fantastic player, only injury has slowed his progress down

[Power n Glory]

Wouldn't be too hard to 'put Walcotts' numbers to shame' to be fair....but post invincibles Wenger's signings def haven;t been as good. Have no doubt AOC will put that right though.

Really? How about a comparison of what other Prem wingers are doing compared to Theo. Look it up. We've had this discussion before and people are often surprised because he's not getting dwarfed by any of his peers.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Gnabry - is he german? are we trying to enforce a winning german mentality into our fragile minded team! good thing if so!

tbh if theo is to go i would rather we went after Ben Arfa than sinclair. think he can become a fantastic player, only injury has slowed his progress down
We were tracking ben arfa way before newcastle - but didn;t follow up - super player, but newcastle would;t sell for less than 18millionGBP and not sure we would spend that on him.
Sinclair a cheaper option by far..and a winger...like for like.

[I_Killed_Kenny]

we tracked him at marseille and then he got injured so went for nasri by all accounts. has more to his game overall than sinclair. but as you say, we will probably go for the cheaper option, tis the arsenal way!

[Power n Glory]

We were tracking ben arfa way before newcastle - but didn;t follow up - super player, but newcastle would;t sell for less than 18millionGBP and not sure we would spend that on him.
Sinclair a cheaper option by far..and a winger...like for like.

Ben Arfa looks good but you know he's never hit double digit figures for goals as a senior player...just saying.

[LDG]

Right, so:

Cheeky bid for Fabregas?

[Dennis Bendtner]

Would City or Liverpool really give Walcott 90-100k?

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Ben Arfa looks good but you know he's never hit double digit figures for goals as a senior player...just saying.
Back from a pretty bad injury and scored 8 premiership goals
Sinclair's first season in premiership bagged 8 goals...scored 27 the season before in the championship...so definitely more to come.
There are other options if Walcott doesn't want to sign....just saying...his stats are really not that impressive...except when you compare them to post-invincible signings like arshavin, eboue or gervinho as you seem intent on doing...even nasri got into double figures with us. There are other players in the premiership and beyond who could do better for us...of that I am sure.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Right, so:

Cheeky bid for Fabregas?

who?

[KSE Comedy Club]

Would City or Liverpool really give Walcott 90-100k?

Yeh they would tbf.

[cheesy bites]

The media will make it out like there's some mega exodus at Arsenal and that the Emirates is about to drop into a deep dark pit, but Walcott is pretty useless most of the time. I for one won't be shedding too many tears.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Make it LOOK like a mighty exodus?

Where have you been the past few years?

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[Dennis Bendtner]

Yeh they would tbf.

City were looking at Scott Sinclair. Pretty obvious the profile of player they're after i.e benchwarming English Johnson replacement. They're having enough trouble offloading high earners. Liverpool? Doubt it

[KSE Comedy Club]

The media will make it out like there's some mega exodus at Arsenal and that the Emirates is about to drop into a deep dark pit, but Walcott is pretty useless most of the time. I for one won't be shedding too many tears.

Exactly.

Spurs are doing just the same and no ones said fuck all about them. News this morning is that they are prepared to let Lennon go now.

They must be in crisis too :coffee:

[KSE Comedy Club]

City were looking at Scott Sinclair. Pretty obvious the profile of player they're after i.e benchwarming English Johnson replacement. They're having enough trouble offloading high earners. Liverpool? Doubt it
They would because he wouldn't sign for them unless he got what he was after, especially this late in the window.

It means nothing to citeh and pool are willing to overpay for anyone tbh.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Sport_trend on twitter says we have spoken to dempseys representatives and will be having talks with fulham.

Also, mvila has rejected a move to spurs as he only wants to come to us and we are trying to negotiate a new fee.

[Dennis Bendtner]

They would because he wouldn't sign for them unless he got what he was after, especially this late in the window.

It means nothing to citeh and pool are willing to overpay for anyone tbh.

City don't need him specifically. That's the point. He's not a first teamer there. Liverpool possibly. But it'd be a big deal for them. Probably only Gerrard and Suarez are on more than that.

The club's position on this is fair. Not going to bemoan the money we waste in one breath and demand Theo be pandered to in another. But it's another level of awkward timing. He is an important player and we've already ripped up the forward line once already. Selling him - even with a replacement or two - would be just unsettling things once more. But obviously remains to be seen what happens. Many of the reports suggest he's happy enough here so he could back down.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Apparently we're not interested in Dempsey anymore- and haven't been all summer, though it could all be smoke and mirrors to lower any fee.

I think we would be prepared to give Walcott a hefty wage, although, as said, I think only Gerrard, Carra (:doh:), Cole and with his new deal Suarez are on similar. Although we have slashed our wage bill a fair bit which would give a bit of leeway... although if City are interested we wouldn't stand a chance.

We did miss out on Sigurdsson though because we wouldn't match Spurs wage offer because Rodgers didn't think he was worth more.

[Power n Glory]

Back from a pretty bad injury and scored 8 premiership goals
Sinclair's first season in premiership bagged 8 goals...scored 27 the season before in the championship...so definitely more to come.
There are other options if Walcott doesn't want to sign....just saying...his stats are really not that impressive...except when you compare them to post-invincible signings like arshavin, eboue or gervinho as you seem intent on doing...even nasri got into double figures with us. There are other players in the premiership and beyond who could do better for us...of that I am sure.

You think it's unfair for me to compare him to our most recent signings? Pires was one of the best players in the Prems history. No player here since has been able to come close to his numbers. Rosicky's best goal tally is 7, Reyes 12, Hleb a pathetic 4, Nasri...15 but before that 7 goals. Arshavin 12....

Rival club wingers....best tallies over a season.
Bale - 12 goals
Lennon - 5 goals
Nani - 10 goals
Valencia - 7 goals
Victor Moses - 6 goals
Malouda - 15 goals
Ashely Young - 8 for Man Utd/ 10 for Villa

Am I missing anyone? We can't nitpick about Theo's goal tally when his peers are putting in these sort of numbers for goals. Who are we judging him against for goals? The guys that get Pires and Ronaldo numbers are superstars and out of our price range.

I don't think Theo is suited as winger, not for our squad anyway. I get the same impression with Poldsoki. The best part of Theo's game is his off the ball runs, his pace and his finishing. He's not a tricky winger that dances around wing backs and I get the same impression with Poldoski.

[LDG]

He still can't control a football sadly.

You're right, PnG. His runs are very good, but we just don't play that way.

The way we play requires someone to be comfortable in possession. And he has the touch of a JCB.

Slot someone more suited to the role in there, and they'll score more than Theo, and assist more than Theo....because our team is kitted out to be able to provide the chances for that....other teams don't play the same way, hence why Theo's return (whilst good v other prem players) is not brilliant when you consider the opportunities he gets on the ball.

He's an old fashioned striker at heart, and whilst I think he'd be #decent inthat role, we just don't play that way....

Shame, but if he moves on, it's no massive loss, as long as we replace him, of course.

[jelgoon]

I agree. Good post. I really hope they dont offer him a penny more than 75k a week. I wouldnt mind him going at all - much to inconsistent at the top level notwithstanding he can be brilliant at times.

LDG;184433]He still can't control a football sadly.

You're right, PnG. His runs are very good, but we just don't play that way.

The way we play requires someone to be comfortable in possession. And he has the touch of a JCB.

Slot someone more suited to the role in there, and they'll score more than Theo, and assist more than Theo....because our team is kitted out to be able to provide the chances for that....other teams don't play the same way, hence why Theo's return (whilst good v other prem players) is not brilliant when you consider the opportunities he gets on the ball.

He's an old fashioned striker at heart, and whilst I think he'd be #decent inthat role, we just don't play that way....

Shame, but if he moves on, it's no massive loss, as long as we replace him, of course.[/QUOTE]

[Power n Glory]

He still can't control a football sadly.

You're right, PnG. His runs are very good, but we just don't play that way.

The way we play requires someone to be comfortable in possession. And he has the touch of a JCB.

Slot someone more suited to the role in there, and they'll score more than Theo, and assist more than Theo....because our team is kitted out to be able to provide the chances for that....other teams don't play the same way, hence why Theo's return (whilst good v other prem players) is not brilliant when you consider the opportunities he gets on the ball.

He's an old fashioned striker at heart, and whilst I think he'd be #decent inthat role, we just don't play that way....

Shame, but if he moves on, it's no massive loss, as long as we replace him, of course.

But this is the thing, we've had far far far better players with a brilliant first, vision, control....none of them have even come close to doing what's expected of them. None are able to relentless terrorise a wing back.

For starters, we've often played square pegs in round holes such as Rosicky, Hleb, Nasri and Arshavin. They're not the type of players that blitz defenders with trickery and pace. Technically gifted players but not suited on the flanks. All of them can have anonymous and frustrating games. As seen against Stoke, these guys would probably struggle as well because their over indulegent with the tippy tappy crap. Not direcr enough.

Then we have Gervinho and Eboue. Direct and able to beat their man but no end product. Frustrating to watch and they get a lot more stick compared to the above mentioned players, but I think they're more effective when it comes to stretching teams and creating chances. The technically players take very few risks and we get bogged down in endless passing routines.

We need superstar players for our style of play. Ronaldo, Robben, Hazard, Ronalinho types and they don't grow on trees. I think Poldski is going to struggle in our set up as well because he's not a dazzling dribbler playmaker type. Or if we're going to play with three strikers, we need an awesome trio in the middle and two very good central playmakers that pass triangles around everyone like at Barca. Wenger is trying to turn Walcott into a Ljungberg type player and even he'd struggle in this current set up because we don't counter attack, move the ball quick enough and we have no superstar playmakers. I hope come Friday we see what Wenger is trying to do but at the moment, it looks like he's run out of ideas and we're going to see the same sort of square pegs in round holes all over again.

[AKBapologist]

This club is run by shitheads.

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[KSE Comedy Club]

Theo has been offered a fair wage on a new contract for what he has achieved so far.

If he doesn't want to sign it then we should sell him.

It's not the clubs fault that he wants more money based on what his England team mates earn.

[Xhaka Can’t]

None of the strategizing here matters. We are a player trading and revenue generating entity with the sole objective of delivering growth in the value of shares.

If offloading Carzola right now went towards achieving that objective, we'd do it.

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[McNamara That Ghost...]

I guess not Jeebus but his agent can easily say, he is the most productive remaining player at Arsenal. I see it like this: there are players out there I think are better than Theo but the likelihood of getting anyone like that with such little time is marginal at best.

Therefore I think we should just suck it up for once, 100k isn't that excessive comparitively. Yes people will say he doesn't deserve it but Wenger plays him so often, it kinda indicates to his representatives that he actually does (in football terms).

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He still can't control a football sadly.

You're right, PnG. His runs are very good, but we just don't play that way.

The way we play requires someone to be comfortable in possession. And he has the touch of a JCB.

Slot someone more suited to the role in there, and they'll score more than Theo, and assist more than Theo....because our team is kitted out to be able to provide the chances for that....other teams don't play the same way, hence why Theo's return (whilst good v other prem players) is not brilliant when you consider the opportunities he gets on the ball.

He's an old fashioned striker at heart, and whilst I think he'd be #decent inthat role, we just don't play that way....

Shame, but if he moves on, it's no massive loss, as long as we replace him, of course.

we rely on technical footballers and unfortunately theo isn't one. as you say- comfortability, technical prowess and intelligence is something we require from all our players and you could argue theo has none of that. everytime he gets the ball i get the feeling he doesn't really know what he's going to do with it. for example when nani gets the ball, you can see he's instantly thinking 'ill take this defender on and cross the ball to the far post'. there's a degree of coordination in his play instead of instant panic. when becks receives the ball, he's already scanned the pitch to see who's free so he can play a 30 yard pass to his teammate. there's that sense of organised thinking once again. unfortunately i dont get that feeling with theo. its almost as if he thinks 'ive just got the ball so ill run into space and see what happens'. there's no systematic plan of attack or conviction in his play. if he takes a defender on he quickly panics and looks up, hoping he can pass to a teammate. does he really know how to take a defender on? how to turn a defender inside out? how to leave him on his arse? the top wingers in the league do but theo's game is all over the place. there's been plenty of times ive seen him try take players on and bottle it, simply to turn around and play a 2 yard pass to a teammate. that tells me he doesn't really know what he wants to do with the ball and that there's no structured thought process to his attacks.

i bet deep down he wishes he went to united. i knoq its all opinion but i think he would have thrived under fergie because fergie's a manager who wouldn't take half hearted performances. he would have bulked theo up more like he done with ronaldo and had a more hands on approach to his play. wenger is very much a manager that likes to sit back and let the player learn himself. it worked with song, van persie and koscielny, but it hasn't with theo. theo needs a manager to help him when he makes the wrong decisions, a manager to guide him properly. he needs to stay behind in training sessions with one of the youth team defenders and practise his dribbling. it's a shame cause by now i expected him to become a world beater but i don't mind if he leaves. adios amigo.

[Power n Glory]

I guess not Jeebus but his agent can easily say, he is the most productive remaining player at Arsenal. I see it like this: there are players out there I think are better than Theo but the likelihood of getting anyone like that with such little time is marginal at best.

Therefore I think we should just suck it up for once, 100k isn't that excessive comparitively. Yes people will say he doesn't deserve it but Wenger plays him so often, it kinda indicates to his representatives that he actually does (in football terms).

And if he doesn't live up to wages then we can sell him without the pressure. We can go one or two seasons with him earning £100k. It's not as if we won't be able to sell him off after either. He's not a Denilson or Bendtner.