Wenger

[WilshereourGHEL]

I was arguing with a friend that arsen has never been able to put a squad together he claimed the invincible so what i wanna know is how many of the invincibles did wenger actually sign and how many were left by graham

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

about 22.685944% of them.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Lehmann
Lauren
Campbell
Touré
Cole
Ljungberg
Vieira
Gilberto
Pirès
Bergkamp
Henry

All these except Bergkamp, Grahan had not to do with it.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Henry, pires, freddie, lehmann, kolo, sol, lauren, viera, gilberto, wiltord, kanu off top of my head, apparently Bergkamp was signed on wengers say so but never been confirmed, guess you could say he made cole so you could count him. parlour, keown are only two i can think of that were pre wenger

[tpyo]

I'm pretty sure it was most of them. Lets look at the first team:







1
GK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_(association_football))
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Flag_of_Germany.svg/22px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany)
Lehmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Lehmann)
38
Wenger


12
RB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_back)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Flag_of_Cameroon.svg/22px-Flag_of_Cameroon.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon)
Lauren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Etame_Mayer)
32
Wenger


23
CB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_back)

Campbell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Campbell)
35
Wenger


28
CB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_back)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Flag_of_Cote_d%27Ivoire.svg/22px-Flag_of_Cote_d%27Ivoire.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B4te_d%27Ivoire)
Touré (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolo_Tour%C3%A9)
37
Wenger


3
LB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_back)

Cole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Cole)
32
Youth Team


8
RW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_winger_(football))
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4c/Flag_of_Sweden.svg/22px-Flag_of_Sweden.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)
Ljungberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrik_Ljungberg)
30
Wenger


4
CM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_midfielder)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/22px-Flag_of_France.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)
Vieira (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Vieira)
29
Wenger


19
CM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_midfielder)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil)
Gilberto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilberto_Silva)
32
Wenger


7
LM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_midfielder)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/22px-Flag_of_France.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)
Pirès (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pir%C3%A8s)
36
Wenger


10
SS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-lying_forward)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands)
Bergkamp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Bergkamp)
28
Rioch


14
ST (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striker)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/22px-Flag_of_France.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)
Henry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Henry)
37
Wenger









You're thinking of the earlier team that won the Premier League I think that still had the old back 4.

I'm not a fan of Wenger hating, especially since it now seems he's been under financial duress. So lets not forget the things he did do, eh? ;)

[Cripps_orig]

Bergkamp was a Rioch signing

Wenger lovers are even trying to credit the **** with that signing :lol:

[GP]

Henry, pires, freddie, lehmann, kolo, sol, lauren, viera, gilberto, wiltord, kanu off top of my head, apparently Bergkamp was signed on wengers say so but never been confirmed, guess you could say he made cole so you could count him. parlour, keown are only two i can think of that were pre wenger

Bergkamp was signed by Dein on Wenger's recommendation. After the Graham scandal, Rioch wasn't given control of the purse strings.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Bergkamp was a Rioch signing

Wenger lovers are even trying to credit the **** with that signing :lol:

No one did

[Power n Glory]

This is a dilution problem. The mentality that the Adams era team had has gotten weaker and weaker. The Graham team taught Vieira, Petit and co the Arsenal and English way. They were toughened up and given a balanced education. Wenger was good on teaching technique, fitness and health, but that sheer determination to win and fight for the win came from Graham players. Vieira and co passed that on to the new generation but he also passed something else on...that mercenary, greedy, 'up my wages' type of attitude that infected the squad.

He was the bloody ring leader of it and fuelled the flames to the Cole saga. He was the original guy that kept lifting his skirt for the Spanish. With Graham's team, you didn't get that even when they had the one year contract bullshit hanging over their heads.

With each generation the squad gets weaker. Wenger is too soft and that's why players walk all over him. It gets worse with each generation and to the point where there able to take the piss with him on the actual pitch. Never would have happened with Adam's generation. Any one not pulling their weight would have been chocked in the dressing room. It takes the players to inspire each other and Wenger hasn't got the players that do that. Only RVP is capable of it as seen with the villa game. He's had his time. He can't motivate and it's the reason why we've never won back to back titles with him.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Bergkamp was a Rioch signing

Wenger lovers are even trying to credit the **** with that signing :lol:

It was covered in a biography written about Wenger. According to the biography, Wenger alerted Dein to Bergkamp's situation at Inter and that he could potentially be available.

If true, then Bergkamp is Dein's signing.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Well if Bergkamp is a Dein signing so was Vieira,Petit, Henry and practically every other after the Graham scandal and till the unfortunate day Dein was pushed out.

Anyway TTBOMK Wenger has never personally claimed any credit or knowledge of/for the signing of a Bergkamp- while the man who actually signed him has more than once:
news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/4976142.stm
here he explains the reasoning behind it better
news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/2629507.stm
And so it doesn't seem like Rioch was so effusive only after the Bergkamp star had already shun, heres an article from that time (the best read, for other reasons IMO)
www.independent.co.uk/sport/rioch-signs-bergkamp-to-signal-new-era-1587607.html

And finally heres an interview with the ICEMAN himself where he states how BOTH Rioch and Dein courted him and the famous Moratti quote made to whom.... Rioch it seems.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/interviews/one-on-one/371/article.aspx

So yeah.... until i see something resembling evidence, I think I'll discard the biographer's opinion and take it as an admirer trying to bigup his idol :shock:

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Butressing the point PnG made about the effect of the Graham players, Keown interviewing the ICEMAN, pls read what the ICEMAN says

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2047630/Martin-Keown-life-Arsenal-Dennis-Bergkamp.html

[Özim]

Well if Bergkamp is a Dein signing so was Vieira,Petit, Henry and practically every other after the Graham scandal and till the unfortunate day Dein was pushed out.

Anyway TTBOMK Wenger has never personally claimed any credit or knowledge of/for the signing of a Bergkamp- while the man who actually signed him has more than once:
news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/4976142.stm
here he explains the reasoning behind it better
news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/2629507.stm
And so it doesn't seem like Rioch was so effusive only after the Bergkamp star had already shun, heres an article from that time (the best read, for other reasons IMO)
www.independent.co.uk/sport/rioch-signs-bergkamp-to-signal-new-era-1587607.html

And finally heres an interview with the ICEMAN himself where he states how BOTH Rioch and Dein courted him and the famous Moratti quote made to whom.... Rioch it seems.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/interviews/one-on-one/371/article.aspx

So yeah.... until i see something resembling evidence, I think I'll discard the biographer's opinion and take it as an admirer trying to bigup his idol :shock:
There's no doubt he was a Rioch signing, the guy went after Platt (and got him) and Juninho as well and his Bolton team were a very good footballing side (the type of signings these are point to a manager who wants his team to play football).

The Wenger/Bergkamp story is a nonsense which people who loved Wenger so much wanted to believe, Rioch never gets any credit for anything despite steadying the ship and doing a good job after a rocky period, the way he was treated was shocking IMO.

[Cripps_orig]

There's no doubt he was a Rioch signing, the guy went after Platt (and got him) and Juninho as well and his Bolton team were a very good footballing side (the type of signings these are point to a manager who wants his team to play football).

The Wenger/Bergkamp story is a nonsense which people who loved Wenger so much wanted to believe, Rioch never gets any credit for anything despite steadying the ship and doing a good job after a rocky period, the way he was treated was shocking IMO. Spot fucking on

[Olivier's xmas twist]

There's no doubt he was a Rioch signing, the guy went after Platt (and got him) and Juninho as well and his Bolton team were a very good footballing side (the type of signings these are point to a manager who wants his team to play football).

The Wenger/Bergkamp story is a nonsense which people who loved Wenger so much wanted to believe, Rioch never gets any credit for anything despite steadying the ship and doing a good job after a rocky period, the way he was treated was shocking IMO.

Yep, but i suppose with Wenger bringing in Overmars, Petit and more and transforming the team that took precedence over anything esle tbh. Fans were not bothred about who brought who in just how they played and once they won that 1st league it was like Bruce who.

[BOBN]

ian wright on his radio show (absolute radio) about 2 weeks ago stopped a caller in his tracks who was crediting rioch with the bergkamp signing and said he was a dein signing. added that dein knew the club had to make a statement at that point in time and went out and did it, and he couldnt just "let rioch take the credit for it". even tho tbf its well known that wright and rioch didnt get on.

can you imagine arsenal absolutely shattering their transfer record on the say so of some unproven lower-league boss before hed even completed one competitive match with the club? behave yourselves. and im not even one of these dein cock-suckers.

and on top of that I remember, not even a teenager, watching inter milan just to see bergkamp play. yes he would later been known as a flop but he was still a class apart in terms of technique. whether it was dein, rioch or wenger... you didnt need to be a genius to spot and buy bergkamp.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Spot fucking on

I must have missed all your posts on this matter before you shifted your pendulum from one extreme to the other, neatly avoiding any middle ground along the way.

[Cripps_orig]

I must have missed all your posts on this matter before you shifted your pendulum from one extreme to the other, neatly avoiding any middle ground along the way.Ive always said Bergkamp was a Rioch signing :unsure:

Not once have i changed that

[Özim]

ian wright on his radio show (absolute radio) about 2 weeks ago stopped a caller in his tracks who was crediting rioch with the bergkamp signing and said he was a dein signing. added that dein knew the club had to make a statement at that point in time and went out and did it, and he couldnt just "let rioch take the credit for it". even tho tbf its well known that wright and rioch didnt get on.

can you imagine arsenal absolutely shattering their transfer record on the say so of some unproven lower-league boss before hed even completed one competitive match with the club? behave yourselves. and im not even one of these dein cock-suckers.

and on top of that I remember, not even a teenager, watching inter milan just to see bergkamp play. yes he would later been known as a flop but he was still a class apart in terms of technique. whether it was dein, rioch or wenger... you didnt need to be a genius to spot and buy bergkamp.
Rioch at the time was a very good manager, his Bolton team had beaten top sides like Liverpool and ourselves in the cups (amongst others) and were great to watch with the likes of McAteer, Thompson and Stubbs.

Dein was no doubt involved but to suggest a player is signed without the manager's say so at Arsenal is incorrect IMO.

[Xhaka Can’t]

ian wright on his radio show (absolute radio) about 2 weeks ago stopped a caller in his tracks who was crediting rioch with the bergkamp signing and said he was a dein signing. added that dein knew the club had to make a statement at that point in time and went out and did it, and he couldnt just "let rioch take the credit for it". even tho tbf its well known that wright and rioch didnt get on.

can you imagine arsenal absolutely shattering their transfer record on the say so of some unproven lower-league boss before hed even completed one competitive match with the club? behave yourselves. and im not even one of these dein cock-suckers.

and on top of that I remember, not even a teenager, watching inter milan just to see bergkamp play. yes he would later been known as a flop but he was still a class apart in terms of technique. whether it was dein, rioch or wenger... you didnt need to be a genius to spot and buy bergkamp.

There is as you say too much bad blood there to buy what Wright has to say. But I remember back in the day being aghast at the lack of respect Wright showed for his Manager. At the time I thought, that's it, Wright is out of here next season. Little did I know.

Rioch was badly treated, he steadied a ship, and while it was bizarre at the time what happened to him at Arsenal, the bizarreness is miniscule in comparison to the trajectory his career took after he was sacked.

Some day, I'd love to know what the hell actually happened in the years following GG's sacking.

[Özim]

Yep, but i suppose with Wenger bringing in Overmars, Petit and more and transforming the team that took precedence over anything esle tbh. Fans were not bothred about who brought who in just how they played and once they won that 1st league it was like Bruce who.
Only Vieria and Garde came in in his 1st season, no doubt he transformed the club, my point was simply that Rioch never got a decent chance despite changing our style of football, qualifying for Europe and steadying things after a tough period.

[Joker]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/7532193/Wenger-Criticism-is-harsh

He still doesn't seem to get it. He brings up the old statistic about us being in the top 4 for the last 15 years, but fails to mention how we predictably have collapsed at the end of the last 5 seasons, failing to win a trophy for 7 years and have regressed badly in the space of a relatively short time. He's too stubborn and deluded to realise the mistakes he (and the board) have made, and his defence is becoming flimsier and flimsier.

[BOBN]

Rioch at the time was a very good manager, his Bolton team had beaten top sides like Liverpool and ourselves in the cups (amongst others) and were great to watch with the likes of McAteer, Thompson and Stubbs.

Dein was no doubt involved but to suggest a player is signed without the manager's say so at Arsenal is incorrect IMO.
dein probably asked him "do you want bergkamp?". hed have been a thick cant to say anything other than "well duh". and there you have it, rioch in his mind signed berkamp.

I know football managers are the most aloaf, out of touch employees in the world. they quit at the slightest sign they have to do what any other person in the world accepts which is to answer to your superiors (capello). but I honestly dont think rioch would have had the bare-faced cheek to ask for the funds to decimate arsenals transfer record and wage structure to sign a johnny foreigner before hed even gotten his feet under the table. his first concern would have been proving to himself and others that he even belonged at a club like arsenal.

[BOBN]

There is as you say too much bad blood there to buy what Wright has to say. But I remember back in the day being aghast at the lack of respect Wright showed for his Manager. At the time I thought, that's it, Wright is out of here next season. Little did I know.

Rioch was badly treated, he steadied a ship, and while it was bizarre at the time what happened to him at Arsenal, the bizarreness is miniscule in comparison to the trajectory his career took after he was sacked.

Some day, I'd love to know what the hell actually happened in the years following GG's sacking.
I remember clearly in the papers that wright handed in a transfer request. did an interview and everything, "I cannot continue to play under this manager etc". I was gutted tbh but it now looks like a ploy to get rid of the manger, and it was probably a big factor.

but I agree, I was suprised rioch got sacked because it was a fun-ish season. a season similar to the the ones spurs have had recently that the press suck off. but hey ho, wenger was much better. and thats what we need to do now, only replace wenger with a guy we are confident can do better.

[KSE Comedy Club]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/7532193/Wenger-Criticism-is-harsh

He still doesn't seem to get it. He brings up the old statistic about us being in the top 4 for the last 15 years, but fails to mention how we predictably have collapsed at the end of the last 5 seasons, failing to win a trophy for 7 years and have regressed badly in the space of a relatively short time. He's too stubborn and deluded to realise the mistakes he (and the board) have made, and his defence is becoming flimsier and flimsier.He never will get it. He'll Just keep on spouting the same tired rubbish after every failed game / season / competition.

We're all just impatient, clueless idiots who have never managed a team.

What the hell do we know.

[Cripps_orig]

We've also been in the FA and League Cups for the last 15 years.

And people want Wenger out?

Thats an extraordinary achievement.

Not even Mancs can say that

[Özim]

He never will get it. He'll Just keep on spouting the same tired rubbish after every failed game / season / competition.

We're all just impatient, clueless idiots who have never managed a team.

What the hell do we know.
To be honest, what the hell does he know, he's been in football a long time and yet acts like a total fool at times unable to see what everyone else can......in addition every season the same things happen over and over again, injuries, poor defending/finishing, bad patches in during the same periods and the end of season collapse and yet he never learns.

People says he's not an idiot, sometimes when you analyse his performance though and watch the same errors over and over again it's hard to believe, he seems to be more interested in proving people wrong than doing what he needs to succeed which I consider foolish behaviour.

Maybe he should look at what he says and does a little more closely.