Nuri Sahin

[LDG]

No. Arsene has changed his mind apparently. Doesn't want the loan which was all rubber stamped. Wants him on a permenant.

If you believe twatter that is.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Has this officially become a 'transfer saga'?

[Cripps_orig]

Nuri Sahin’s move to Arsenal from Real Madrid is being held up following a change of heart from Arsene Wenger.

The Premier League club had reached a breakthrough in their pursuit of the Turkey international by negotiating a season-long loan for the midfielder, agreeing a package that included the loan fee and the player’s wages.

But the deal has stagnated for the second time this week as Wenger deliberates over whether to push for a permanent transfer.

This has prompted reports in Spain that Sahin’s agent Reza Fazeli has met with senior Liverpool officials in an attempt to revive the possibility of a loan move to Anfield.

It is understood that Liverpool withdrew their interest in signing the former Borussia Dortmund player last Saturday after learning that he wanted to join Arsenal.

However, the London club deny that they had planned a photo shoot on Monday ahead of his unveiling, which then had to be cancelled at the last minute. The midfielder has, however, been left out of the Real Madrid squad to face Barcelona in the Spanish Supercopa.

Arsenal are confident they are still in the driving seat to capture the 23-year-old, who has been identified by Wenger as a versatile midfielder capable of adapting to his team’s playing style.

Sahin’s destination is also understood to have been a discussion point in the Luka Modric talks between Real and Tottenham amid rumours that Spurs would prefer the player not to join their north London rivals.

It is uncertain whether Real are willing to sanction the permanent sale of Sahin even though Jose Mourinho has made it clear that the player will benefit from a season in the Premier League.

Sahin would strengthen the midfield options of Wenger, who sanctioned the sale of Alex Song to Barcelona for £15 million on Monday and is also likely to be without Jack Wilshere for the first three months of the season through injury.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/08/23/3325420/arsenal-sahin-switch-on-hold-as-wenger-considers-option-of

:lol:

Also is this the longest loan transfer saga of all time?

[Grebbo]

Has this officially become a 'transfer saga'?

I think your mob have got him tbh.

I actually don't really see the point of this transfer. He played 11 games for Madrid last season so he's as rusty as fuck and not match fit. He then has to adapt to the Prem which usually takes AT LEAST six months and then he goes back to Madrid at the end of the season.

I still want him but I'd probably prefer we sign someone properly even if he's not quite as good eg M'Vila

For Liverpool it probably makes more sense as anyone is better than Adam.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Sid Lowe still expects him to join us. Me too tbf.

[fakeyank]

I think your mob have got him tbh.

I actually don't really see the point of this transfer. He played 11 games for Madrid last season so he's as rusty as fuck and not match fit. He then has to adapt to the Prem which usually takes AT LEAST six months and then he goes back to Madrid at the end of the season.

I still want him but I'd probably prefer we sign someone properly even if he's not quite as good eg M'Vila

For Liverpool it probably makes more sense as anyone is better than Adam.

:gp:

Dont need him tbh.. I'd rather we sign a full back and a striker!

[Cripps_orig]

Well we do need him cos we have no creativity in midfield bar Cazorla

Also need a fullback, striker and keeper

[LDG]

Well we do need him cos we have no creativity in midfield bar Cazorla

Also need a fullback, striker and keeper

Shouldn't have sold Song. For as well you know. He could have also played there :(

[Boss]

I think your mob have got him tbh.

I actually don't really see the point of this transfer. He played 11 games for Madrid last season so he's as rusty as fuck and not match fit. He then has to adapt to the Prem which usually takes AT LEAST six months and then he goes back to Madrid at the end of the season.

I still want him but I'd probably prefer we sign someone properly even if he's not quite as good eg M'Vila

For Liverpool it probably makes more sense as anyone is better than Adam.

He would have still been playing in reserves, training for them so it's hardly like he's our Fat Fuck.

We need another creative player while Wilshere is out and the six month to adapt is garbage imo, as long as the team is solid a player can bed in fairly quickly as shown by Mata last year and apparently Cazorla and Hazard this.

[Grebbo]

He would have still been playing in reserves, training for them so it's hardly like he's our Fat Fuck.

We need another creative player while Wilshere is out and the six month to adapt is garbage imo, as long as the team is solid a player can bed in fairly quickly as shown by Mata last year and apparently Cazorla and Hazard this.

I agree top players can bed in quickly like the ones you've mentioned. Mid range foreign players eg Gervinho seemingly take forever to bed in. Depends if Sahin is a top player or not.

I'd like him here as he's better than nothing but I'd prefer we signed someone properly.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

one of these arsenal bloggers made the point that we may be unlikely to see any action on the Sahin front one way or the other, until they have brought in Modric....so effectively we could have Daniel Levy to thank that he won't be in our squad to face Stoke.

[Özim]

No. Arsene has changed his mind apparently. Doesn't want the loan which was all rubber stamped. Wants him on a permenant.

If you believe twatter that is.
I agree with him for once, wouldn't want this guy to light up the premiership and then find he's off back to Real or to the highest bidder.

[LDG]

I agree with him for once, wouldn't want this guy to light up the premiership and then find he's off back to Real or to the highest bidder.

Well yeah. If he's as good as he's supposed to be....

....as far as I know Wenger has been after him for seven years....so I'm guessing if he's going anywhere, he wants it perm.

Me too, tbh. Yossi on loan was one thing (and a good thing I think), but this is a 23 yr old with bags of talent.....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I couldn't care less tbf, better to have him than not. We'll break the side up next season anyway.

[LDG]

I couldn't care less tbf, better to have him than not. We'll break the side up next season anyway.

Dear lord.

:crying:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Am I right, or am I right?

[LDG]

*nods*

Let a guy dream though.....

....it's the start of a new season. I'm supposed to be optimistic. I don't usually get angry until mid-February.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Valentine's Day isn't that bad mate.

[LDG]

Blowie's a blowie :shrug:

[LDG]

#justsahin













:getcoat:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Balague is the latest to have a guess. He's saying Liverpool and Arsenal have both agreed with Marketing, now it is up to Sahin. :o

[Joker]

If it's true that Tottenham are holding the deal up then that shows an impressive level of pettiness :lol:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I agree with him for once, wouldn't want this guy to light up the premiership and then find he's off back to Real or to the highest bidder.

Better to get om Loan if he thinks were the right club for him he'd stay with us anyways. Agree with Maccy on this.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If it's true that Tottenham are holding the deal up then that shows an impressive level of pettiness :lol:

Could be tied in with the Luka deal tbh. maybe if the Luka deals falls through, Real may want to keep him.


Real Madrid midfielder Nuri Sahin passes medical at Arsenal ahead of one-year loan move, according to reports



http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/real-madrid-midfielder-nuri-sahin-passes-medical-at-arsenal-ahead-of-oneyear-loan-move-according-to-reports-8076131.html

[Static]

Quite worried about this actually.

[KSE Comedy Club]

We're being taken the piss out of us with this deal tbh.

Fuck it let's move on and sort out some permanent transfers.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We're being taken the piss out I with this deal tbh.

Fuck it let's move on and sort out some permanent transfers.

Pretty much but you know Excuses will come out soon.

[Boss]

Relax children. No point wetting yourselves over things that have not happened yet.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

24 hours and we should know either way.

Apparently he's due at Melwood tomorrow.

:wacko:

[AKBapologist]

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/rodgers-on-sahin-latest
meh

[Cripps_orig]

:haha:

If we lose out on him cos Wenger was having 2nd thoughts then he should be sacked

[fakeyank]

Dont need this c*nt.. lets get players we actually need.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:haha:

If we lose out on him cos Wenger was having 2nd thoughts then he should be sacked

Id agree. fuck a perm deal just get him on loan.

[Marc Overmars]

After all this, I'd be pretty fucked off if we missed out on him.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

After all this, I'd be pretty fucked off if we missed out on him.

Wenger should resign tbh if we do.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

It's not over until our doctor has him topless....

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It's not over until our doctor has him topless....

Ain't see Arsenal transfer saga's for the last 7 years eh?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

It's very possible both clubs are still in for him and it's simply his agent trying to get all the facts before a final decision.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was another 1/2 twists yet...

[AKBapologist]

Apparently he's wanting 115k a week. :haha:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19364375

[Marc Overmars]

Sounds like it's over. FFS.

Hope we've got another midfield target lined up.

[fakeyank]

Apparently he's wanting 115k a week. :haha:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19364375

Thank Allah! Let's sign a full back and get in a winger or striker. Get Theo to re-sign for us or fuck off. Sahin was a pointless transfer for us!

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Apparently he's wanting 115k a week. :haha:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19364375
To be fair that says he's already on £115k, but that we're willing to pay a higher % of it, rather than him asking for it right now.

It could be wrong though because absolutely no one really knows what's going on.

[Cripps_orig]

Oh ffs :doh:

This club is embarrassing

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I read somewhere there is £5 million loan fee. :lol: That can't be right surely.

[AKBapologist]

I read somewhere there is £5 million loan fee. :lol: That can't be right surely.

£8mill + wages...
:lol:

[gooners]

To be fair that says he's already on £115k, but that we're willing to pay a higher % of it, rather than him asking for it right now.

It could be wrong though because absolutely no one really knows what's going on.

Remember we didn't want to negotiate new terms with Song? Yeah, the fuck giving his potential replacement more money than has gone off the books with song's departure!

This is AFC --- 'we balance the books' is the motto.

[Grebbo]

Brendan Rogers saying the deal is quite far down the line and Sahin's a good player....

He's gone to them. Their manager wouldn't be talking about him if he was coming to us.

I knew starting this thread was a bad idea.

:lol:

[Marc Overmars]

Thread title should be changed to Good Bye Nuri Sahin!

[Cripps_orig]

AFCamden :haha:

[V-Pig]

RM have really done well here. It just goes to show how much of a benefit it is for the selling club with 2 teams competing. Looks to me as though Arsenal have done the sensible thing and bowed out when the numbers involved are getting silly. I mean, it's a loan signing, not a marquee transfer.

Liverpool can spuff a load of money on the loan and he can be forced to play with the likes of Lucas (:pal:) and a 54-yo Gerrard in the Europa League and then go back to RM for a cushy bench seat whilst earning a fuckload. Everyone's a winner except football.

[AKBapologist]

SSN, Independant, Guardian, BBC, Daily Mail, had all said this was a done deal to arsenal at various points - just goes to show how no one has a clue.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I read somewhere there is £5 million loan fee. :lol: That can't be right surely.
I doubt it.

Rodgers has said repeatedly he's been working to a budget (a budget he's all but used up by the way he was talking about it). I doubt he'd be stashing £5m down the sofa on the off chance of getting Sahin.

And in any case it's a proportion of £115k, a proportion which the selling club usually has the majority of.

And, I know a very tenuous, hypothetical and probably unlikely point, if he can help us get back into/near the CL places then that's fine with me. And if we go backwards then a) Sahin wouldn't even consider joining us at the end of it anyway (although Mourinho has said he wants him back, hasn't he?) b) he's be the least of our worries anyway.

[fakeyank]

AFCamden :haha:

He is apologizing on Twitter :lol:

[V-Pig]

Also, can someone confirm for me... is Lucas no longer considered a joke? Is he considered a decent player these days? And if so, when did this happen? My Liverpool banter is about 4 decades out of date.

[Marc Overmars]

RM have really done well here. It just goes to show how much of a benefit it is for the selling club with 2 teams competing. Looks to me as though Arsenal have done the sensible thing and bowed out when the numbers involved are getting silly. I mean, it's a loan signing, not a marquee transfer.

Liverpool can spuff a load of money on the loan and he can be forced to play with the likes of Lucas (:pal:) and a 54-yo Gerrard in the Europa League and then go back to RM for a cushy bench seat whilst earning a fuckload. Everyone's a winner except football.

We have Diaby rely on now...

[Cripps_orig]

He is apologizing on Twitter :lol:

Twitter :haha:

AFCamden :haha:

His rep is destroyed. Should retire now

[Grebbo]

Sahin basically is very reluctant to leave RM, he's being forced out by Maureen but in his mind he's a Madrid player so he probably doesn't give a fuck where he plays for one season. He'll walk into their team (and ours tbh) so its a good fit for him.

This deal was dead as soon as it was apparent that we wanted a buyout clause - Madrid never had the intention of selling him. I reckon we pulled out some time ago and it's just been RM negotiating with Liverpool for the past few days.

[V-Pig]

We have Diaby rely on now...

Well exactly. We're champions this season. He's like a new -hugely expensive transfer-.

[Marc Overmars]

Also, can someone confirm for me... is Lucas no longer considered a joke? Is he considered a decent player these days? And if so, when did this happen? My Liverpool banter is about 4 decades out of date.

He's improved a lot. I think Liverpool fans will tell you they missed him a great deal after he was crocked last season.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Also, can someone confirm for me... is Lucas no longer considered a joke? Is he considered a decent player these days? And if so, when did this happen? My Liverpool banter is about 4 decades out of date.

He's become a very good player. He wasn't that bad to begin with, just a scapegoat which some people still cling onto.

We utterly crumbled without him last season so I'm hoping he has recovered properly.

[V-Pig]

Oh really. That sucks. Who do we laugh at now? Charlie Adam?

[fakeyank]

He's become a very good player. He wasn't that bad to begin with, just a scapegoat which some people still cling onto.

We utterly crumbled without him last season so I'm hoping he has recovered properly.

Didnt he fuck up his ACL?

[fakeyank]

Oh really. That sucks. Who do we laugh at now? Charlie Adam?

No, you laugh at the entire football club :lol:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Looks like we dodged a bullet with this one tbh.

Shame we let it go on so long though, it's made us look a bit stupid.

Still 8 days left to get our transfer business done. Get a fucking move on!

[Grebbo]

Also, can someone confirm for me... is Lucas no longer considered a joke? Is he considered a decent player these days? And if so, when did this happen? My Liverpool banter is about 4 decades out of date.

Basically when quality players leave (Alonso) and are replaced by shite (Adam) the previous average players (Lucas) all of a sudden look decent alongside the newly added shite.

You could argue that Song and Walcott would be our versions of this phenomenon.

[V-Pig]

No, you laugh at the entire football club :lol:

Tbh, even with various historical and current problems with Suarez/Kuyt/Babel, I'd rather have Liverpool in the top 4 than the Mans, Spuds or Chavs.

[Cripps_orig]

We should make a cheeky bid for Suarez

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Didnt he fuck up his ACL?
Yeah. So obviously it's still up in the air whether he will have any lasting effects.

[V-Pig]

We should make a downright insulting bid for Carroll. Like £175k. And then well-publicise it and get Sagna to talk about his "gooner-DNA".

[Ollie the Optimist]

by the sounds of it, the money got into silly figures for a loan signing, this says to me that sahin was considered a luxary but not worth that money, and we are going to use it elsewhere.

also as reported, this was a signing to help with jacks recovery, perhaps the rumours he will recover a bit earlier then expected has stopped this one, if he was out till xmas, then its worth it, it ony another month then having a player and spending a lot isnt worth it.


tbh nobody fucking knows, whoever is in the squad come 1st sept, is all i care about right now, if you wear the red and white, you have my full support. thats whats important right now

[AKBapologist]

Pool are paying 85k a week of the wage bill apparently - that would have made him the highest earner on our squad.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Pool are paying 85k a week of the wage bill apparently - that would have made him the highest earner on our squad.

which is fine on its own, however, if as reported the loan fee is 5 million, the sell on is 15, plus his 115k week wages, its close to a 25 million pound deal. i think thats what has put wenger off, hopefully because he has a target in mind who he can get for less, or at least permnanently

[KSE Comedy Club]

by the sounds of it, the money got into silly figures for a loan signing, this says to me that sahin was considered a luxary but not worth that money, and we are going to use it elsewhere.

also as reported, this was a signing to help with jacks recovery, perhaps the rumours he will recover a bit earlier then expected has stopped this one, if he was out till xmas, then its worth it, it ony another month then having a player and spending a lot isnt worth it.


tbh nobody fucking knows, whoever is in the squad come 1st sept, is all i care about right now, if you wear the red and white, you have my full support. thats whats important right now

To some extent yes but let's not kid ourselves, we're still 1-2 players short.

That needs sorting out by my birthday.

[Marc Overmars]

Well if we don't bring in an alternative, we're going to look fairly daft for not paying up for this guy.

[Ollie the Optimist]

To some extent yes but let's not kid ourselves, we're still 1-2 players short.

That needs sorting out by my birthday.

i know we are short, i would want 1-2 more in too, my point was come september 1st, we can do fuck all about it so im just going to support whoever wears the kit

[Grebbo]

Rightly or wrongly Wenger only buys value.

£5m loan fee and £85k per week for a player who played 11 games last year, has no Prem experience and will fuck off at the end of the season doesn't represent value to him.

Of course it could blow up in his face if he turns out to be a star at Liverpool and we're left with Ramsey and Diaby in the middle :shudder:

I get the feeling Wenger will only ever pay over the odds if he feels the player is super super super quality i.e the next Messi or Ronaldo. He must think the Ox is pretty damn good as he paid a fortune for him.

[AKBapologist]

If Bendtner, Arshavin, Squillachi and Park go we could easily afford to bring in another 3-4.

[KSE Comedy Club]

i know we are short, i would want 1-2 more in too, my point was come september 1st, we can do fuck all about it so im just going to support whoever wears the kitAs wil I.
Im trying to have plenty of optimism this season, and so far things are looking good.

But it will be a massive blow to my optimism if we dot do the necessary and replace what we have lost.

[Cripps_orig]

As wil I.
Im trying to have plenty of optimism this season, and so far things are looking good.

But it will be a massive blow to my optimism if we dot do the necessary and replace what we have lost.
Really?

[Power n Glory]

Rightly or wrongly Wenger only buys value.

£5m loan fee and £85k per week for a player who played 11 games last year, has no Prem experience and will fuck off at the end of the season doesn't represent value to him.

Of course it could blow up in his face if he turns out to be a star at Liverpool and we're left with Ramsey and Diaby in the middle :shudder:

I get the feeling Wenger will only ever pay over the odds if he feels the player is super super super quality i.e the next Messi or Ronaldo. He must think the Ox is pretty damn good as he paid a fortune for him.

The numbers will never add up for Wenger. We won't be able to bring in the type of players he wants on such a small budget. This is why I find it silly to see the club let go of Song so easily knowing that we'll have to pay a lot more in wages to a player of similar quality. The wage structure will always restrict us.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Really?

Yes of course, we've gotten rid of two ****s and brought in some good experienced players.
We're also trying to get rid of some deadwood at last too.

But that doesn't mean things couldn't be better. We still need to bring in some more good signings.

[selassie]

You know we have "Frimpong", "Coquelin", "Ramsey", "Diaby", "Eastmond", don't forget "Jenkinson" can play there too.

I really hope Arsene knows what he's doing with Central Midfield, he decimated it after the 07/08 season, I DO NOT want a repeat of that, go and buy quality Arsene because we have a gaping hole to fill there.

[Power n Glory]

If this is out business for the season, politics as usual, we've managed to balance the books.

[Cripps_orig]

Yes of course, we've gotten rid of two cu fs and brought in some good experienced players.
We're also trying to get rid of some deadwood at last too.

But that doesn't mean things couldn't be better. We still need to bring in some more good signings.
Cu fs?

We brought in the players first which i was delighted about then sold 2 star players putting us back to square one. Some would say even worse cos the players we brought in dont have PL experience as the 2 players we sold did.

Add that to the Sunderland shocker, the Sahin fiasco where a loan transfer is all but sorted only for Wenger to fuck it up as only he can.

We do need to sell a few shite ass players and sign a few more. History suggest we wont.

Its been a shit start to the season both on and off the pitch

[hobson's choice]

we are fucked, basically now just relying one person to do all the creating. Oh well I hope we all enjoyed what we saw on saturday. That's gonna be this season, unless someone gets signed.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Cu fs?

We brought in the players first which i was delighted about then sold 2 star players putting us back to square one. Some would say even worse cos the players we brought in dont have PL experience as the 2 players we sold did.

Add that to the Sunderland shocker, the Sahin fiasco where a loan transfer is all but sorted only for Wenger to fuck it up as only he can.

We do need to sell a few shite ass players and sign a few more. History suggest we wont.

Its been a shit start to the season both on and off the pitch
Sorry that was my tired typing. It should be ****s.

I'm sure we will bring in a couple more players, we have too or we're gonna be fucked again this year.

The Sunderland game wasn't that bad tbh. We're not gonna win every game.

[Cripps_orig]

Oh ok. Thought it was a new insult for these ****s but ****s is good enough.

We've needed a couple of players for a long time going in to a season, never got them. Cant see it happening again either. At least not a player of the sufficient quality needed.

It really was that bad. We played shit, hardly threatened bar that Giroud chance and it was incredibly boring. We wont win every game but the first home game of the season, the first game after selling our star player after he sputed what he did, we should have put in a performance to make him eat those words.

All we did was prove him right

Oh well

On we go to Stoke

[fakeyank]

No worries homes.. VE VILL VIN BPL!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--CdA8IhE6Q

[LDG]

5mil + wages for a years loan?

Havin a fuckin laugh.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

If Liverpool are paying 5 million plus wages...that's ridiculous...
even 2million plus wages sounded pretty steep to me for a player that we would probably improve and then head back to Real M.
14million clause to buy?? 14million? Haven't seen too much for me to judge but only 11 appearances last season...can't be that great...and even the youtube clips don't really sell him!
We can do better at that price. Hopefully we end up with Dempsey now...who said whoever doesn't;t get sahin will get dempsey???

Dempsey:
Plenty of premiership experience
Scores goals
Physical presence
Good work rate for the team

Sahin: No prem experience
deeper lying midfielder - can buy m'vila same role
Small
Who knows?
Loan

[Globalgunner]

At least now, him and Poldi don`t have to kiss and make up. Lets get the Celtic chap Wayanma and be done with it. However wont he be cup tied for the CL games now?

[The Ogg Monster]

Selling Song was a horrendous mistake.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

If Liverpool are paying 5 million plus wages...that's ridiculous...
even 2million plus wages sounded pretty steep to me for a player that we would probably improve and then head back to Real M.
14million clause to buy?? 14million? Haven't seen too much for me to judge but only 11 appearances last season...can't be that great...and even the youtube clips don't really sell him!
We can do better at that price. Hopefully we end up with Dempsey now...who said whoever doesn't;t get sahin will get dempsey???

Dempsey:
Plenty of premiership experience
Scores goals
Physical presence
Good work rate for the team

Sahin: No prem experience
deeper lying midfielder - can buy m'vila same role
Small
Who knows?
Loan

:wave:

I'm just glad we might* be getting one of them...

*Isn't over yet....

[Syn]

Dempsey:
Plenty of premiership experience
Scores goals
Physical presence
Good work rate for the team

Sahin: No prem experience
deeper lying midfielder - can buy m'vila same role
Small
Who knows?
Loan

Not sure about Dempsey and defensive responsibility. You play him as pretty much a forward/second-striker, he'll get 1 in 3. Not sure that's good enough for a side that is aiming to finish higher than 4th.

And you're reading Sahin all wrong. He is nothing like M'Vila. And he's not small and weak in terms of physical presence - in the same way someone like Cesc wasn't.

Forget about wages or a 'loan fee', I bet Arsenal's main problem was not having an option to buy. Having a young player run your team and then watching him leave to higher-paying clubs is something we're great at but just having them for a year takes the piss even for us. Loan signings are Benayoun and such squaddies. Sahin, by all accounts, is a quality, quality player. But I think we really wanted the option to buy which Madrid either don't want, or quite possibly, we haven't offered enough to buy him outright.

[LDG]

I just think Wenger wants this lad badly. And he'll want him permanently. We won't know the ins and outs, but I doubt we're gonna play ball if they want a massive fee for a loan, with no comeback for us afterwards.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He probably will end up being sold next summer anyway.

Real Madrid. :lol:

Still a bit foolish.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Cu fs?

We brought in the players first which i was delighted about then sold 2 star players putting us back to square one. Some would say even worse cos the players we brought in dont have PL experience as the 2 players we sold did.

Add that to the Sunderland shocker, the Sahin fiasco where a loan transfer is all but sorted only for Wenger to fuck it up as only he can.

We do need to sell a few shite ass players and sign a few more. History suggest we wont.

Its been a shit start to the season both on and off the pitch

i normally agree with you but not this time pal.

arteta, sahin + cazorla. where's the tackler? where's the physical presence? you could argue that we would have switched our tactics to ball retention but in the premier league that doesn't work because it's simply too physical. we tried ball retention tactics a couple of seasons ago but all we had where players having their legs snapped in half and the team losing points away to the likes of birmingham, sunderland and bolton.

if madrid wanted us to pay 70% wages (roughly 70k a week), a loan fee (£4m) and put a ridiculous buy out clause (£14m), then wenger did the right thing in pulling the plug on a player which would have cost £20m+ especially as he's a player we don't really need. he's a luxury not a necessity. we need a DM, someone who can tackle and has physical presence. we need a flamini, not a wilshere.

im hoping this wasn't the only viable option we were gunning for and that wenger is seeking alternatives now this has gone to bed, maybe it was a smokescreen to get the m'vila price lowered? we'll have to wait and see. alternatively, with wilshere back in training as little as 3 weeks away, was spending £20m on a player when we have bigger problems in other areas of the pitch a viable option? personally i think the answers no.

[Joker]

As long as we haven't given up looking for a midfielder, I don't think not signing Sahin is a huge loss. However, the worry is that we've again lost out due to not willing to pay the fees demanded by the selling/loaning club. Wenger is obsessed with value, and will never be willing to pay even a penny above any player's market valuation. This may seem reasonable, but if it results in us not getting another midfielder in before the close of the window, then we're in big trouble. Rosicky, Wilshere and Diaby have all suffered big injuries and it's unreasonable to rely on them. Frimpong is extremely inexperienced and raw, Coquelin the same. Please Arsene, don't let financial considerations stop you from ensuring our squad is well equipped for the coming season.

Another disappointing thing is how late we're leaving this. At the start a lot of fans were saying we should be making fuller use of our resources and complete our business early. Unfortunately, neither seems to be happening. We're probably going to end the summer with a negative net transfer expenditure, which doesn't suggest we're making full use of our financial resources at all.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Twitter :haha:

AFCamden :haha:

His rep is destroyed. Should retire now

Not really not his fault the deal changed is it. If thats the Case, Goal.com/Sky Sports, Daily Mail, Daily Mirror etc have all lost their creditbilty as they all reported the deal done.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

by the sounds of it, the money got into silly figures for a loan signing, this says to me that sahin was considered a luxary but not worth that money, and we are going to use it elsewhere.

also as reported, this was a signing to help with jacks recovery, perhaps the rumours he will recover a bit earlier then expected has stopped this one, if he was out till xmas, then its worth it, it ony another month then having a player and spending a lot isnt worth it.


tbh nobody fucking knows, whoever is in the squad come 1st sept, is all i care about right now, if you wear the red and white, you have my full support. thats whats important right now

Not sure its to do with money He wanted a loan and did not want to leave Real, we did not want a loan.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Cu fs?

We brought in the players first which i was delighted about then sold 2 star players putting us back to square one. Some would say even worse cos the players we brought in dont have PL experience as the 2 players we sold did.

Add that to the Sunderland shocker, the Sahin fiasco where a loan transfer is all but sorted only for Wenger to fuck it up as only he can.

We do need to sell a few shite ass players and sign a few more. History suggest we wont.

Its been a shit start to the season both on and off the pitch

Who ever said it was, it was never confirmed by us or real it ever was, it was stupid sites like Goal.com who said it was.

But they their is a reason the deal seems to be off who knows why, but if the wages thing is true why should we pay him that when he is on loan stupid really.

City paid Ade's wages when he went on loan to spurs last season tbh way it should be.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

As long as we haven't given up looking for a midfielder, I don't think not signing Sahin is a huge loss. However, the worry is that we've again lost out due to not willing to pay the fees demanded by the selling/loaning club. Wenger is obsessed with value, and will never be willing to pay even a penny above any player's market valuation. This may seem reasonable, but if it results in us not getting another midfielder in before the close of the window, then we're in big trouble. Rosicky, Wilshere and Diaby have all suffered big injuries and it's unreasonable to rely on them. Frimpong is extremely inexperienced and raw, Coquelin the same. Please Arsene, don't let financial considerations stop you from ensuring our squad is well equipped for the coming season.

Another disappointing thing is how late we're leaving this. At the start a lot of fans were saying we should be making fuller use of our resources and complete our business early. Unfortunately, neither seems to be happening. We're probably going to end the summer with a negative net transfer expenditure, which doesn't suggest we're making full use of our financial resources at all.

Like you was not expecting this to happen most would have anyways. we balanced the books end off.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Bit miffed that we are not taking this guy. . .I hear the tough tackler argument though which makes me think that the unnamed team of the three that have pit bids in for MVila could well be us.

Wenger has said that we are in need of a midfielder and I dont think we will go to the end of the window without bringing one in.

Jokers right Wenger is obsessed with value and has obviously chosen this year as the year not to be screwed around. Some may say he let Song go cheaply but on the most part he has played hard ball as I expect him to do in any MVila talks. Real wanted too much for Sahin come next year and he decided to walk away. . .shame cos the guy is quality but. . .

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Bit miffed that we are not taking this guy. . .I hear the tough tackler argument though which makes me think that the unnamed team of the three that have pit bids in for MVila could well be us.

Wenger has said that we are in need of a midfielder and I dont think we will go to the end of the window without bringing one in.

Jokers right Wenger is obsessed with value and has obviously chosen this year as the year not to be screwed around. Some may say he let Song go cheaply but on the most part he has played hard ball as I expect him to do in any MVila talks. Real wanted too much for Sahin come next year and he decided to walk away. . .shame cos the guy is quality but. . .

Jose always wanted him to go to pool anyways there was no secret in that, bet he is happy now.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

i normally agree with you but not this time pal.

arteta, sahin + cazorla. where's the tackler? where's the physical presence? you could argue that we would have switched our tactics to ball retention but in the premier league that doesn't work because it's simply too physical. we tried ball retention tactics a couple of seasons ago but all we had where players having their legs snapped in half and the team losing points away to the likes of birmingham, sunderland and bolton.

if madrid wanted us to pay 70% wages (roughly 70k a week), a loan fee (£4m) and put a ridiculous buy out clause (£14m), then wenger did the right thing in pulling the plug on a player which would have cost £20m+ especially as he's a player we don't really need. he's a luxury not a necessity. we need a DM, someone who can tackle and has physical presence. we need a flamini, not a wilshere.

im hoping this wasn't the only viable option we were gunning for and that wenger is seeking alternatives now this has gone to bed, maybe it was a smokescreen to get the m'vila price lowered? we'll have to wait and see. alternatively, with wilshere back in training as little as 3 weeks away, was spending £20m on a player when we have bigger problems in other areas of the pitch a viable option? personally i think the answers no.

This we need a DM and this guy is not. But would have been excellent to give us creativity we need.

[KSE Comedy Club]

People starting to report that Liverpool will be paying £12m for the season loan of Sahin.

So we were right to pull out. That is fucking ridiculous.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I refuse to believe that.

[GP]

I refuse to believe that.

Yep, it's unlike Liverpool to overpay in such a way.

[Marc Overmars]

I refuse to believe that.

Of course you'd be right not to.

These are just figures made up by Arsenal fans looking for an excuse as to why we've missed out on him.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think it's more likely Liverpool were just more willing to pay a higher percentage of his wages, as the BBC say. Surprised what Sahin wants isn't the main consideration but I suppose that's Real Madrid for you.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Of course you'd be right not to.

These are just figures made up by Arsenal fans looking for an excuse as to why we've missed out on him.

You have no evidence to back that up.

[LDG]

Of course you'd be right not to.

These are just figures made up by Arsenal fans looking for an excuse as to why we've missed out on him.

Well, we are supposed to have pulled out at 2m fee and 70k a week, which is 5.64m.

I'm assuming Liverpool are topping that. It's been reported that 5m is the fee. in any case, more than 6mil in all, for a seasons loan? Seems pretty expensive to me....

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think it's more likely Liverpool were just more willing to pay a higher percentage of his wages, as the BBC say. Surprised what Sahin wants isn't the main consideration but I suppose that's Real Madrid for you.

Like i said Jose never ever wanted him at Arsenal anyways and now he has got his wish, But fair play to Jose he is the manager and the player must do what he says i suppose.

[Joker]

Of course you'd be right not to.

These are just figures made up by Arsenal fans looking for an excuse as to why we've missed out on him.

Yep, that's probably true. In the same way Alex Song suddenly became a crap player and a troublemaker when he decided to leave.

[Marc Overmars]

You have no evidence to back that up.

I do, honest.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Mourinho can stick it, brother.

[LDG]

There's always the chance that we're playing a game here btw. Who's to say we won't just suddenly come in with a bid of 20mil to take the whole thing out of the equation.....

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Well, we are supposed to have pulled out at 2m fee and 70k a week, which is 5.64m.

I'm assuming Liverpool are topping that. It's been reported that 5m is the fee. in any case, more than 6mil in all, for a seasons loan? Seems pretty expensive to me....
I know it's a pretty spurious argument, but if he helps us get back/close to the CL then it would be more than worth it.

And it seems there's no option to buy at the end anyway, though that's not to say should Madrid we couldn't have convinced him to join us over the year.

And I will keep saying this until it's official, it isn't over yet...

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yep, that's probably true. In the same way Alex Song suddenly became a crap player and a troublemaker when he decided to leave.

How do you know it was goones who said this?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I do, honest.

Link.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I know it's a pretty spurious argument, but if he helps us get back/close to the CL then it would be more than worth it.

And it seems there's no option to buy at the end anyway, though that's not to say should Madrid we couldn't have convinced him to join us over the year.

And I will keep saying this until it's official, it isn't over yet...

It is Rodgers seems to sure for it not to be.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Rodgers' press conference is at about 2pm isn't it?

I might fit a nap in.

[LDG]

I know it's a pretty spurious argument, but if he helps us get back/close to the CL then it would be more than worth it.

And it seems there's no option to buy at the end anyway, though that's not to say should Madrid we couldn't have convinced him to join us over the year.

And I will keep saying this until it's official, it isn't over yet...

Aye. Well for you lot, 6m is well spent if it does get you back into the CL. Perhaps it's more of a luxury for us :shrug:

And yeah, not over just yet. Depends how badly Wenger wants his man. He's been following him for 7 years.....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We should just buy him outright and give Real Madrid the buy-back clause.

Me. :bow:

[Marc Overmars]

Well, we are supposed to have pulled out at 2m fee and 70k a week, which is 5.64m.

I'm assuming Liverpool are topping that. It's been reported that 5m is the fee. in any case, more than 6mil in all, for a seasons loan? Seems pretty expensive to me....

If he helps them achieve their goals this season then it doesn't matter really. If he's decent then I doubt Liverpool will have any qualms about using the buy option. If he's shite they can send him on his way without buying him no problems, 6m is not a lot of money for Liverpool neither is it for us. :shrug:

My only hope is that we have an alternative lined up because it's clear we need a new midfield option, in fact I don't mind as much now this has fallen through because whilst I would've liked a bit more creativity, a physical presence and someone who can cover ground is more important.

[Grebbo]

There's always the chance that we're playing a game here btw. Who's to say we won't just suddenly come in with a bid of 20mil to take the whole thing out of the equation.....

The player doesn't want to leave Madrid and Madrid don't want to sell him.

Good temporary signing for Liverpool providing he adapts quickly. I'm sticking with the theory that hardly playing for a season, no summer tournament and no Prem experience is going to mean he'll probably just start playing well and it'll be time to go back to Madrid.

[Cripps_orig]

i normally agree with you but not this time pal.

arteta, sahin + cazorla. where's the tackler? where's the physical presence? you could argue that we would have switched our tactics to ball retention but in the premier league that doesn't work because it's simply too physical. we tried ball retention tactics a couple of seasons ago but all we had where players having their legs snapped in half and the team losing points away to the likes of birmingham, sunderland and bolton.

if madrid wanted us to pay 70% wages (roughly 70k a week), a loan fee (£4m) and put a ridiculous buy out clause (£14m), then wenger did the right thing in pulling the plug on a player which would have cost £20m+ especially as he's a player we don't really need. he's a luxury not a necessity. we need a DM, someone who can tackle and has physical presence. we need a flamini, not a wilshere.

im hoping this wasn't the only viable option we were gunning for and that wenger is seeking alternatives now this has gone to bed, maybe it was a smokescreen to get the m'vila price lowered? we'll have to wait and see. alternatively, with wilshere back in training as little as 3 weeks away, was spending £20m on a player when we have bigger problems in other areas of the pitch a viable option? personally i think the answers no.

Hes a quality player and far better than Arteta. We could do with as many quality players as we need.

Also Wengers smokescreens :bow:

We need creativity in midfield and Sahin would have provided that. Very much was a needed transfer and Wenger pulls out cos he doesnt want to spend a couple of quid more :rolleyes:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Aye. Well for you lot, 6m is well spent if it does get you back into the CL. Perhaps it's more of a luxury for us :shrug:

And yeah, not over just yet. Depends how badly Wenger wants his man. He's been following him for 7 years.....

I would probably say that we need him more than you, or rather you need him less than we do.

It all depends on whether you get someone else in (an outright DM seems to be the obvious choice) or not. If you do, then everyone is happy, if not then questions will be asked.

In any case, I'd rather Sahin on loan for a year than an Adam who may well go after a year anyway...

[Grebbo]

If he helps them achieve their goals this season then it doesn't matter really. If he's decent then I doubt Liverpool will have any qualms about using the buy option. If he's shite they can send him on his way without buying him no problems, 6m is not a lot of money for Liverpool neither is it for us. :shrug:


There is no buy option or am I missing something?

The whole reason we're not getting him is because we wanted a buy option.

[Cripps_orig]

Who ever said it was, it was never confirmed by us or real it ever was, it was stupid sites like Goal.com who said it was.

But they their is a reason the deal seems to be off who knows why, but if the wages thing is true why should we pay him that when he is on loan stupid really.

City paid Ade's wages when he went on loan to spurs last season tbh way it should be.

Your beloved AFCamden tbh

Also i suggest if you have no idea how loans work which by the rest of your post, you clearly dont then keeping quiet would be the best thing you can do

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cripps, play nice. We don't want to lose Charlie again.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Your beloved AFCamden tbh

Also i suggest if you have no idea how loans work which by the rest of your post, you clearly dont then keeping quiet would be the best thing you can do

When have i ever said what he said was Official show me where. This from the guy who belives everthing goal.com says to be true.

Also i said if the wages thing is TRUE.

[Grebbo]

Your beloved AFCamden tbh

To be fair he only said the player was due at Colney on Monday afternoon. He never got it confirmed if the player actually turned up (it now seems apparent that he didn't).

AFCamden is the best insider there is on twitter - not that this means much.

[LDG]

Bored of this now.

[V-Pig]

Grebbo/Charlie - Don't argue with it! :doh:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

To be fair he only said the player was due at Colney on Monday afternoon. He never got it confirmed if the player actually turned up (it now seems apparent that he didn't).

AFCamden is the best insider there is on twitter - not that this means much.

This, he seems to know someone at the ground and only posted what he was told, not his fault things changed.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Hes a quality player and far better than Arteta. We could do with as many quality players as we need.

Also Wengers smokescreens :bow:

We need creativity in midfield and Sahin would have provided that. Very much was a needed transfer and Wenger pulls out cos he doesnt want to spend a couple of quid more :rolleyes:

well yeah i cant argue with that, i think we need more creativity but it would kill coquelin, diaby and ramsey, plus we have rosicky. the obvious solution would be to sell rosicky and upgrade with sahin but wenger has some sort of infatuation with tomas, he signed a new contract recently so he's deffo staying.

i guess that's the difference between us and other title challengers. if it was fergie, sahin would be coming in with either rosicky or ramsey out the door. that's the type of business that makes you real title challengers. adds real quality and excellent depth. it would improve our squad immensely and also adds plenty more creativity. but wenger sees rosicky fit for purpose and whilst we have crocked, average no-hopers like him in the team, we can forget about the title.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Grebbo/Charlie - Don't argue with it! :doh:

True.


Cripps, play nice. We don't want to lose Charlie again.

Don't worry would not leave over him, did not the 1st time so won't this time or ever. Wums gotta wum right.

[Cripps_orig]

When have i ever said what he said was Official show me where. This from the guy who belives everthing goal.com says to be true.

Also i said if the wages thing is TRUE.As a great man once said


When have i ever said what he said was Official show me where

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Bored of this now.

don't blame you feels like same old same old.

[Cripps_orig]

Grebbo/Charlie - Don't argue with it! :doh:

Homos back :bow:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

well yeah i cant argue with that, i think we need more creativity but it would kill coquelin, diaby and ramsey, plus we have rosicky. the obvious solution would be to sell rosicky and upgrade with sahin but wenger has some sort of infatuation with tomas, he signed a new contract recently so he's deffo staying.

i guess that's the difference between us and other title challengers. if it was fergie, sahin would be coming in with either rosicky or ramsey out the door. that's the type of business that makes you real title challengers. adds real quality and excellent depth. it would improve our squad immensely and also adds plenty more creativity. but wenger sees rosicky fit for purpose and whilst we have crocked, average no-hopers like him in the team, we can forget about the title.

Were not title challengers though thats the problem.

[Cripps_orig]

To be fair he only said the player was due at Colney on Monday afternoon. He never got it confirmed if the player actually turned up (it now seems apparent that he didn't).

AFCamden is the best insider there is on twitter - not that this means much.Wouldnt know. I dont follow him on Twitter mainl cos i dont have Twitter as im not 14 anymore.

I just find it hilarious how people on here mainly Charlie and the homo find him as ITK about Arsenal when hes been barely right about anything apart from the obvious

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wouldnt know. I dont follow him on Twitter mainl cos i dont have Twitter as im not 14 anymore.

I just find it hilarious how people on here mainly Charlie and the homo find him as ITK about Arsenal when hes been barely right about anything apart from the obvious

Not once have i mentiond him on here tbh or posted a link to him. so not sure why you keep sayng me.

[Cripps_orig]

well yeah i cant argue with that, i think we need more creativity but it would kill coquelin, diaby and ramsey, plus we have rosicky. the obvious solution would be to sell rosicky and upgrade with sahin but wenger has some sort of infatuation with tomas, he signed a new contract recently so he's deffo staying.

i guess that's the difference between us and other title challengers. if it was fergie, sahin would be coming in with either rosicky or ramsey out the door. that's the type of business that makes you real title challengers. adds real quality and excellent depth. it would improve our squad immensely and also adds plenty more creativity. but wenger sees rosicky fit for purpose and whilst we have crocked, average no-hopers like him in the team, we can forget about the title.

Wengers transfer policy is a bit screwed. He worries too much about quantity when he should worry about quality.

Sahin is better than not just Arteta but arguably all of our CMs and on that alone he was a Must Get. But as you said, cos we have Diaby, Ramsey etc, Wenger wont sign him cos he doesnt want to kill them

[Cripps_orig]

Not once have i mentiond him on here tbh or posted a link to him. so not sure why you keep sayng me.

Cos its funny how it annoys you tbh

But fair enough, i'll stop now. Dont want you leaving cos of me again..

[LDG]

don't blame you feels like same old same old.

Well no. Not really.

It just seems as though there's a lot of bed wetting over a player we may have had on loan for a season.

I just don't get the hyper reaction to it all. FFS. We don't have bad players. We have some fuckin awesome players. We could do with some more quality....who couldn't.....even City want more....but this whole thing about our team being "shit" is beyond the realms of stupidity.

[V-Pig]

Homos back :bow:

So it would appear.

And the WUM never left.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well no. Not really.

It just seems as though there's a lot of bed wetting over a player we may have had on loan for a season.

I just don't get the hyper reaction to it all. FFS. We don't have bad players. We have some fuckin awesome players. We could do with some more quality....who couldn't.....even City want more....but this whole thing about our team being "shit" is beyond the realms of stupidity.

OK, Ill tell you why i am pissed cause we could have spend the week bringing in palyers, players we need not messing around with this deal.

[Grebbo]

Well no. Not really.

It just seems as though there's a lot of bed wetting over a player we may have had on loan for a season.

I just don't get the hyper reaction to it all. FFS. We don't have bad players. We have some fuckin awesome players. We could do with some more quality....who couldn't.....even City want more....but this whole thing about our team being "shit" is beyond the realms of stupidity.

Out of curiosity which of our players do you think are fuckin awesome?

Cazorla based on one game at home to Sunderland?

I can't think of any of our players who are fuckin awesome. Ox potentially is but certainly isn't yet.

[LDG]

OK, Ill tell you why i am pissed cause we could have spend the week bringing in palyers, players we need not messing around with this deal.

How do you know we aren't in for other players?

[KSE Comedy Club]

SSN have just said that they have been told it wa arsenal's decision not to continue pursuing Sahin, not the players.

So thats settled any dispute there.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

How do you know we aren't in for other players?

Not saying were not, saying we could have this week. Other clubs seem to do multiple deals we seem to put our eggs in one basket. And when it goes pear shaped we don't know what to do.

[V-Pig]

Out of curiosity which of our players do you think are fuckin awesome?

Wilshere, Podolski, Arteta, Cazorla, Sagna, Koscielny, Vermaelen.

[V-Pig]

SSN have just said that they have been told it wa arsenal's decision not to continue pursuing Sahin, not the players.

So thats settled any dispute there.

Of course it was Arsenal's. Sahin wouldn't choose Liverpool over Arsenal.

[Grebbo]

Wilshere, Podolski, Arteta, Cazorla, Sagna, Koscielny, Vermaelen.

Wow. Just wow.

[LDG]

Out of curiosity which of our players do you think are fuckin awesome?

Cazorla based on one game at home to Sunderland?

I can't think of any of our players who are fuckin awesome. Ox potentially is but certainly isn't yet.

Sagna, Koscielny, Vermaelen, Arteta, Wilshere, Cazorla, Podolski, and AOC.

[LDG]

:lol:

Mine are the same as V-Pigs :lol:

[Grebbo]

What on earth are people seeing in Podolski to think he's fuckin awesome?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

SSN have just said that they have been told it wa arsenal's decision not to continue pursuing Sahin, not the players.

So thats settled any dispute there.

Thanks for this.

[LDG]

Not saying were not, saying we could have this week. Other clubs seem to do multiple deals we seem to put our eggs in one basket. And when it goes pear shaped we don't know what to do.

Patience, dear boy.

[LDG]

What on earth are people seeing in Podolski to think he's fuckin awesome?

Proven international goalscorer, you great big jessy.

[V-Pig]

:lol:

Mine are the same as V-Pigs :lol:

:pal: Agreeing with me.

[LDG]

:pal: Agreeing with me.

I knew I was a bit gay :(

[V-Pig]

I knew I was a bit gay :(

Everyone's got a bit of gay in them...



Not me though. I love working out in a gym full of only sweaty macho men and staring at myself in the mirror as I lift, like, 3kg weights.

[KSE Comedy Club]

What on earth are people seeing in Podolski to think he's fuckin awesome?
Not sure if serious?

[LDG]

Just don't get some people:

one hand: "We sell all our best players to Utd, City and Barca"

then: "All our players are shit, and it's Arsene Wenger's fault"

Is it me, or is there a slight discrepancy in this??

[V-Pig]

Just don't get some people:

one hand: "We sell all our best players to Utd, City and Barca"

then: "All our players are shit, and it's Arsene Wenger's fault"

Is it me, or is there a slight discrepancy in this??



Easy for a WUM though.
Just don't think too hard about it.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o124/leftygreg/WilsherePodolskibmpgif.jpg

[KSE Comedy Club]

Just don't get some people:

one hand: "We sell all our best players to Utd, City and Barca"

then: "All our players are shit, and it's Arsene Wenger's fault"

Is it me, or is there a slight discrepancy in this??Yeh, it's just any excuse to have a moan about wenger/the club etc.

[Grebbo]

Not sure if serious?

I am actually shocked that people think Podolski is fucking awesome.

Shows how far we've fallen in quality. If Podolski is awesome then RVP must have been super human.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I am actually shocked that people think Podolski is fucking awesome.

Shows how far we've fallen in quality. If Podolski is awesome then RVP must have been super human.
No.

Actually, what makes you think he isn't?

[Grebbo]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o124/leftygreg/WilsherePodolskibmpgif.jpg

Holy shit Wilshere looks fucking ill

[Grebbo]

No.

Actually, what makes you think he isn't?

His footballing ability

[KSE Comedy Club]

Yeh, it must be that smile he's doing.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Looks like he is about to jack up to me.

[KSE Comedy Club]

His footballing ability

Ok, no point debating this any further :lol:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Just don't get some people:

one hand: "We sell all our best players to Utd, City and Barca"

then: "All our players are shit, and it's Arsene Wenger's fault"

Is it me, or is there a slight discrepancy in this??

doom and gloomers wil always be that way love to moan and always will. Even when things go right they find away to moan.

[V-Pig]

Here's the real good-quality image that I stole...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27453474@N02/7850231492/

[LDG]

Jacks back :bow:

[V-Pig]

He looks ill. Podolski's done that thing of getting close to him, being a good friend, and has started to slowly poison him in order to get the number 10 shirt.

[LDG]

Tbf, I look like that most mornings.

Oh yeah.

I'm a crackhead alchy. That's why.

Jack :rose:

[Cripps_orig]

Podolski is quality

Anyone whos seen him the last few years and not just at Euro 2012 would know that.

He can rightly be put up there as genuine quality in our squad along with Theo and Verm maybe Merts and prob Cazorla as well

The rest? :lol:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Some reports are that the loan fee is £5m (which would make sense given that pool would offer more to get him as he preferred a move to us) and that they may be paying 100% of his wages to clinch he deal.

Which would work out at around the £9m mark for a seasons loan.

Fuck that.

[Cripps_orig]

So to clarify

We want Sahin

Sahin wants to join us

Sahin meets Wenger

Sahin joins Liverpool

Is that about it?

[Joker]

So to clarify

We want Sahin

Sahin wants to join us

Sahin meets Wenger

Sahin joins Liverpool

Is that about it?

Think it's more to do with our penny pinching tbh. We're like those hard nosed employers who will look to squeeze labour costs to their bare minimum. If our owners owned a clothes factor in the developing world, there's no doubt they'd employ sweatshop labour.

[Cripps_orig]

Yeah the penny pinching would go under the meeting Wenger bit

It probably went something like this

Wenger "Welcome to Arsenal"
Sahin "its a wonderful place, a brilliant stadium, a great pitch. I cant wait to play here on loan and then hopefully prove to you i am good enough for a permanent transfer"
Wenger "We all wish that of course. We are 2% away from domination. I believe you can be that 2%"
Sahin "so lets get down to business, how much will i get in wages while im here?"
Wenger "What?!!!!! You are on loan. We dont pay you. Bye"

Sahin joins Liverpool

[KSE Comedy Club]

Think it's more to do with our penny pinching tbh. We're like those hard nosed employers who will look to squeeze labour costs to their bare minimum. If our owners owned a clothes factor in the developing world, there's no doubt they'd employ sweatshop labour.

Yes that's right.

Because £8-10m is good money to spunk on a seasons loan for a player that can't wait to go back to Real.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Everyone who doesn't want to

1) play for us
2) sign extensions to their contracts
3) are money grabbing hoes

can

1) feck
2) right
3) off

Does that out a line under things.........?

[Joker]

Yes that's right.

Because £8-10m is good money to spunk on a seasons loan for a player that can't wait to go back to Real.

Well we're approaching the end of the transfer window so it's a bit of gamble to be thinking purely in economic terms. If this was the middle of the window, fair enough there would probably be enough time to find another player who offers more value for money. At this stage, perhaps fears about paying over the odds should be relegated to a secondary consideration. And anyway, £8-10M isn't a huge outlay. It's not as if we're looking to sign a £30M player.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yeah the penny pinching would go under the meeting Wenger bit

It probably went something like this

Wenger "Welcome to Arsenal"
Sahin "its a wonderful place, a brilliant stadium, a great pitch. I cant wait to play here on loan and then hopefully prove to you i am good enough for a permanent transfer"
Wenger "We all wish that of course. We are 2% away from domination. I believe you can be that 2%"
Sahin "so lets get down to business, how much will i get in wages while im here?"
Wenger "What?!!!!! You are on loan. We dont pay you. Bye"

Sahin joins Liverpool

Why the fuck should be spalsh 8-10 mill on a loan when we might as well have bought him for 14 then.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well we're approaching the end of the transfer window so it's a bit of gamble to be thinking purely in economic terms. If this was the middle of the window, fair enough there would probably be enough time to find another player who offers more value for money. At this stage, perhaps fears about paying over the odds should be relegated to a secondary consideration. And anyway, £8-10M isn't a huge outlay. It's not as if we're looking to sign a £30M player.

Which is why We wanted a perm deal if reports are belived to be true, which would have made more sense if they want all that money for a loan.

[Grebbo]

Why the fuck should be spalsh 8-10 mill on a loan when we might as well have bought him for 14 then.

But we couldn't have bought him for £14m, he's never been for sale!

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Assuming it is £8-10m of course.

I've seen an equal number saying £2m fee plus the wages, which would probably be at about 40 weeks so ~£3-4m.

In other words, nobody knows the details.

[Joker]

Which is why We wanted a perm deal if reports are belived to be true, which would have made more sense if they want all that money for a loan.

We didn't want a permanent deal, we wanted an option to buy at the end of the loan. The problem seems to be that Liverpool were willing to pay a greater proportion of his wages, which seems feasible given that we're notoriously stingy when it comes to wages. Remember Arteta had to take a wage CUT to come to Arsenal.

[LDG]

Assuming it is £8-10m of course.

I've seen an equal number saying £2m fee plus the wages, which would probably be at about 40 weeks so ~£3-4m.

In other words, nobody knows the details.

Not listening!!!! :sulk:

I want to run around screaming.

[Grebbo]

We didn't want a permanent deal, we wanted an option to buy at the end of the loan. The problem seems to be that Liverpool were willing to pay a greater proportion of his wages, which seems feasible given that we're notoriously stingy when it comes to wages. Remember Arteta had to take a wage CUT to come to Arsenal.

And Cesc had to take a wage cut to join Barca. We offered RVP £5m signing on fee and £160k per week.

We're only stingy with wages compared to Shitty, Manure, Cheatski and RM.

[Özim]

From being a decent summer, suddenly it's becoming an average one. I'm pleased with the signings we've made, however having sold 2 first teamers including the guy who basically carried the team last season and was our best player our need for a couple more signings is pretty high.

Not long left to sort things out and it's very feasible we could end up with noone else which would be a massive disappointment and would leave us almost where we were last season

Sahin may not have been available on the terms we wanted, but couldn't we have found this out at the start rather than hanging around for so long?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

From being a decent summer, suddenly it's becoming an average one. I'm pleased with the signings we've made, however having sold 2 first teamers including the guy who basically carried the team last season and was our best player our need for a couple more signings is pretty high.

Not long left to sort things out and it's very feasible we could end up with noone else which would be a massive disappointment and would leave us almost where we were last season

Sahin may not have been available on the terms we wanted, but couldn't we have found this out at the start rather than hanging around for so long?

This.

[LDG]

Nope. We should never negotiate!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

But we couldn't have bought him for £14m, he's never been for sale!

Never said he was, i said we may as well have bought him as in tried too.


We didn't want a permanent deal, we wanted an option to buy at the end of the loan. The problem seems to be that Liverpool were willing to pay a greater proportion of his wages, which seems feasible given that we're notoriously stingy when it comes to wages. Remember Arteta had to take a wage CUT to come to Arsenal.

Not oringialy but there were sources Wenger wanted him on a perm deal and he never wanted to leave madrid and this is where the money stuff came into it but like i said souces and not (AFC Camden either).


Remember Arteta had to take a wage CUT to come to Arsenal. Cesc took a pay cut to leave us whats your point.

[Grebbo]

Never said he was, i said we may as well have bought him as in tried too.

For the love of god he wasn't for sale. RM didn't want to sell him and he didn't want to leave.


Cesc took a pay cut to leave us whats your point.

I was replying to Joker who said we're stingy on wages which simply is not true.

[Dennis Bendtner]

BBC and Sky Sports claiming it was Arsenal's decision to call it off. I find it very difficult to believe otherwise. Fair enough. Whatever the reason may or may not have been. Move on kids.

[Özim]

Nope. We should never negotiate!
We negotiate alright, we just take som long over it that we leave ourselves with nowhere to go when it doesn't work out. Really clever that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

For the love of god he wasn't for sale. RM didn't want to sell him and he didn't want to leave.

I know that never said he was. Was just saying if they are asking for that then you may as well ask them for a perm deal, if they say no then leave and look elsewhere.

I was replying to Joker who said we're stingy on wages which simply is not true.

Ok.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I watched a Youtube compilation for this and everything.

[Boss]

Me too ffs ^^.

I thought we were getting Sahin to cover for Wilshere until he returned to full fitness/form, which could take half a year. It would have been better to have the option to buy at the end of it but if not we're covered for creativity with Wilshere/Cazorla/AOC anyways so I don't see why we didn't just take Sahin on loan, especially if it was only 6M.

I hope Wenger has other options because if we don't sign anyone else it will not have been a positive summer.

[Kano]

From being a decent summer, suddenly it's becoming an average one. I'm pleased with the signings we've made, however having sold 2 first teamers including the guy who basically carried the team last season and was our best player our need for a couple more signings is pretty high.

Not long left to sort things out and it's very feasible we could end up with noone else which would be a massive disappointment and would leave us almost where we were last season

Sahin may not have been available on the terms we wanted, but couldn't we have found this out at the start rather than hanging around for so long?

maybe those terms weren't made clear cut in the beginning or may have changed when liverpool showed interest

[Olivier's xmas twist]

maybe those terms weren't made clear cut in the beginning or may have changed when liverpool showed interest

Thsi why nothing is to be belived untill its on the Official Websites of both teams.

[LDG]

We negotiate alright, we just take som long over it that we leave ourselves with nowhere to go when it doesn't work out. Really clever that.

No. We just don't get mugged up. We don't have the luxury of throwing whatever we like at it.

Look at RM and Modric. Is there any difference there?

It happens everywhere, bar the clubs that have money they can just chuck at it with no consequence.

The smaller clubs deals you say?? Well, we don't hear anything about them until they're almost complete, because Sky and every other sensationalist media whore out there can't be fucked to report every single sodding tweet, quote, google translated foriegn paper, blogging, my mate told me, fucking piece of bullshit out there....because it's no news. Small fry.

[Cripps_orig]

Why the fuck should be spalsh 8-10 mill on a loan when we might as well have bought him for 14 then.

Where has all this £8m-10m BS come from?

[LDG]

Where has all this £8m-10m BS come from?

Goal.com

[Cripps_orig]

Goal.com

Cant be true then

Goal :haha:

Alwful film

[Dennis Bendtner]

It could be anything. e.g. Arsenal tried to put in some sort of clause giving them first option/fixed price to buy which was unsuccessful. If they'd just gone with a loan and he had a great season, the pointed fingers would be at Arsenal for supposedly not negotiating such a clause when City come in with £££. Or maybe Liverpool are paying more wages (another speculative scenario). Or maybe Sahin's a Liverpool fan :pal:. Anyway, point is there is very little we know for sure. Still a window of opportunity to sign someone else. Too much flavour of the month stuff anyway...wasn't M'Vila the chosen one like, three weeks ago?

[LDG]

The waiting period starts here :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has revealed that the club hope to complete the loan signing of Real Madrid midfielder Nuri Sahin within the next 24 hours.

The Turkey international is expected to undergo a medical at the club's Melwood training ground on Friday, after terms were agreed over a season-long switch.

"We hope that will be complete. I believe from the club that everything has been organised and sorted in terms of paperwork. So we're hoping in the next 24 hours it can be done," Rodgers told reporters.

The Reds were previously believed to have given up hope of signing Sahin, following reported interest from Arsenal and the Madrid man's preference for a Champions League club.

However, it appears a last-minute change of heart from Gunners boss Arsene Wenger regarding a permanent deal at a later date has swung negotiations in the Merseyside outfit's favour.

And Rodgers praised his latest acquisition, adding: "He's a great technician. He was the player of the season in Germany and was the captain of [Borussia] Dortmund.

"[He] was fantastic at a very young age and got a move to Real Madrid and obviously through injury it hasn't quite worked out for him.

"He's a wonderful player technically and tactically, he understands the game and we hope that his extra bit of quality coming in will really help the group."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/08/24/3328133/breaking-news-sahin-on-brink-of-completing-liverpool-move

Wenger :doh:

Also add this thread to the Liverpool thread

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/08/24/3328133/breaking-news-sahin-on-brink-of-completing-liverpool-move

Wenger :doh:

Also add this thread to the Liverpool thread

Goal.com :haha: Must be a shite fabricated Article copied from the daily mail.

[Cripps_orig]

Ok :blink:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Just get Fellaini tbh.

[Cripps_orig]

He'd cost more than what we are willing to pay

[Kano]

4 years left on his contract - easily £25-30m

[LDG]

5m loan fee still being quoted, and no buy clause :haha:

[Seymour Butts]

Why the fuck should be spalsh 8-10 mill on a loan when we might as well have bought him for 14 then.

Totally agree although I think we may have been more inclined to do this had Real been willing to make the deal perm at end of season. Even having said that, that would then make the transfer in the region of £25m in total. I guess Wenger has quite rightly looked at this and thought that £25m total cost for securing his services is not a great deal and feels that he can do better elsewhere......MVila for £10m less or something. The only point at which I will be disspointed about all of this is if we now dont secure the services of someone else instead - that would of course be a step backwards.

[The Ogg Monster]

Sahin is hardly the player we need anyway.

We need a Song replacement and he wasnt it really.

[Özim]

Just get Fellaini tbh.
This will never happen in a month of Sundays. Don't think we've even ever been linked with him.

Our best hope now is probably some unknown from the French league.

[LDG]

This will never happen in a month of Sundays. Don't think we've even ever been linked with him.

Our best hope now is probably some unknown from the French league.

Let's hope it's a VieiSagKos as apposed to a SquCygdiere

[Master Splinter]

Let's hope it's a VieiSagKos as apposed to a SquCygdiere

Aliadiere is on fire in Ligue 1 at the moment tbf.


And Sahin :lol:.

Awlful player.

[fakeyank]

Sahin is hardly the player we need anyway.

We need a Song replacement and he wasnt it really.

:gp:

Thank fuck someone sees the light! All this wank fest over a player we dont need is pointless.

[Cripps_orig]

We dont need quality players?

Or you'd rather we have Ramsey and Diaby?

[fakeyank]

We dont need quality players?

Or you'd rather we have Ramsey and Diaby?

We have Cazorla Arteta and Ox who can play in that position. These are very good players who can play there and we also have Wilshere. Diaby and Ramsey are shit. If anything, we need a DM if we are to continue playing 3 in the middle. Coq can do that job but some other DM like Tiote would be better. Sahin is just going to be playing a similar role to Arteta, Cazorla and Ox..
If we switch to a 4-4-2 then I think we are more than packed in CM. Mind you, all the players here have PL experience.. why go for Sahin when we need cover in the full back positions and on the wings (assuming theo leaves)?

[Cripps_orig]

Sahin is a deep lying playmaker. That isnt Cazorlas position nor is it anywhere near AOCs either.

It is Arteta but Sahin unlike our lovable Spaniard is actually pretty good at it so a no brainer really.

You sound a lot like Wenger by justifying not bringing in better players cos we have players already there.

In that case we dont need a full back either

[GP]

We have Cazorla Arteta and Ox who can play in that position. These are very good players who can play there and we also have Wilshere. Diaby and Ramsey are shit. If anything, we need a DM if we are to continue playing 3 in the middle. Coq can do that job but some other DM like Tiote would be better. Sahin is just going to be playing a similar role to Arteta, Cazorla and Ox..
If we switch to a 4-4-2 then I think we are more than packed in CM. Mind you, all the players here have PL experience.. why go for Sahin when we need cover in the full back positions and on the wings (assuming theo leaves)?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8oqifrGnj1qch1i7o1_400.gif

[KSE Comedy Club]

Guillem ballague has confirmed via his twitter why we pulled out.


Guillemballague
The thing that gave the last twist to the Sahin saga. After Madrid and arsenal had agreed a 2m loan deal, Liverpool offered 5m with no option to buy.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Breaking on SSN.

Liverpool agree deal to sin nuri Sahin on season long loan.

And there you have it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The third thread this year moved to Other Football. Keep it up guys, it'll give the impression of an overall busier forum than it actually is.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Guillem ballague has confirmed via his twitter why we pulled out.

Guess they need him more then we do anyways.


Breaking on SSN.

Liverpool agree deal to sin nuri Sahin on season long loan.

And there you have it.

Oh well that is that.

[Munchies]

The Mourinho/Rodgers link also seemed to have some factor in the deal, but mostly all of it was down to the £5m loan they were offering. Wow.

Didn't Real buy Sahin for like £7m anyway ? :haha:

[Cripps_orig]

Twas around £8m i believe

Looks like Liverpool hve finally found a decent player to replace Alonso

FFS

Can he play v City?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Quite pleased with this.

I don't really care if it's £2m or £5m (though I doubt it'd be that high) because he's a very good player, and we don't have enough of them.

And anyway, if we get real money for Spearing off Bolton, and can flog Adam to to some far off club then I'd take that swap every single day.

But no, he won't be in the squad for City.

[Cripps_orig]

Thats the view i had on him coming to us

Everyone moaning about how much it cost blah blah blah

Who cares?

Hes a good player and better than our Spearing and Adam ie Diaby and Ramsey

Wenger :doh:

Liverpool back on for the quadruple imo

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

He could make his debut against you though next week. :popcorn:

[Toronto Gooner]

He could make his debut against you though next week. :popcorn:

Possible but I suspect that he will be on the bench. Let's not forget that he only played 11 games last season and had several injuries.

Personally, I think he would have been a great addition for Arsenal but if the figures quoted are correct, then it was too much to pay for a Real Madrid player's season-long injury re-hab.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Confirmation the deal has been done; medical photos.

http://assets1.lfcimages.com/uploads/sahin05c.jpg

[V-Pig]

He looks ecstatic to be there.

"Yay, Europa League and Charlie Adam."

[Cripps_orig]

Liverpool have completed the signing of Real Madrid midfielder Nuri Sahin on a season-long loan after Arsenal ended their interest.
The Reds offered to pay a larger proportion of the 23-year-old's £115,000 a week wages, swinging the deal in their favour.
Sahin, who has 31 caps for Turkey, has passed a medical ahead of Sunday's match against Manchester City.
"I hope it will be a nice year with trophies," said Sahin.
Sahin had been expected to join Arsenal, having privately expressed a preference for the north London club. But the deal stalled when Real and Arsenal could not agree a £14m option to buy the player at the end of the loan.
Liverpool and Real then agreed a deal, with Sahin's agent meeting Liverpool officials earlier in the week to agree terms.
"It makes me proud to have joined such a big club like Liverpool," added Sahin.
"After the first conversation we had, I was left impressed by [manager] Brendan Rodgers. He told me about how he wants to play football and what the goals are he wants to reach with Liverpool.
"I am looking forward to meeting the fans."
Real boss Jose Mourinho had given the go ahead for Sahin to move to the Premier League after the playmaker struggled to make an impression at the Bernabeu since a move from Bundesliga champions Borussia Dortmund last summer.
Sahin signed a six-year deal with the La Liga outfit but made just 11 appearances for them last season as they won the Spanish league title.
In an interview on Liverpool's website, Sahin revealed he was at the Ataturk Stadium when Liverpool came from 3-0 behind to beat AC Milan on penalties and win the Champions League in 2005.
"That year, I won the European under-17 championship with Turkey, so we were invited by the Turkish Football Federation to watch the game," he said.
"We were sitting near to where the Liverpool fans were and it was just a crazy, crazy night. It was then I saw what football and Liverpool Football Club means to the people."
Rodgers said he was thrilled to have secured Sahin's signature for the season.
"We are delighted to welcome Nuri to Liverpool and also to say thank you to Real Madrid for loaning us such an exciting talent," said the Liverpool manager.
"Nuri Sahin is a player with great technique and motivation and someone who will fit in smoothly to our playing model."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19364375

[Toronto Gooner]

He looks ecstatic to be there.

"Yay, Europa League and Charlie Adam."

Don't forget Joe Allen.

[Munchies]

Does this guy even get into the lfc team now ? Hardly heard anything of note since he went there.

[Syn]

The new Aquallani (sp?)?

Another awful career move. One more and he's out.

[Marc Overmars]

Does this guy even get into the lfc team now ? Hardly heard anything of note since he went there.

It's only been 2 games, one which he started against us. :lol:

But yes, we pretty much got one over them though.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Exactly. 2 games.

And give it a few weeks, I'm sure Gerrard will pick up some sort of strain.

Got to feel for Henderson if anyone, reportedly we tried to offload him for a pittance and hasn't played a minute so far. Though he'll probably start tonight.

[Grebbo]

How did Sahin perform in his other game? He was gash against us.

Quality player and he will come good with a run of games - just in time for him to go back to RM or be sold to a Champs Lge club. I think that's why we didn't want him in the end.